How to use a SE pro Super Tuner for IDIOTS

[1Canuck]

2010 SG 96" stage 1
I posted previously that in 2010 the 1580 map was 009FY002.
2011 repeated, then the 2012 & 2013 included both 009FY002 & 044AAG003
so I decided to flash 044AAG003 and the base map was stronger before data runs.
on comparison of the original 009 & 044 tables no difference was found. several data runs later there was small VE changes.

Now the latest 2014 update has removed the 009FY002 map form the calibration list.

Others still using an 009 map may want to see if the 044 map benefits.

Interested if anyone knows why the 009 map was dropped

[pappy]

Not doing smart tune on the dyno is absolutely dumb.  A. Controlled temp. B. Ability to view rear afr. C. You can properly control load for all rpm ranges  D.  No possible way of breaking roadway laws due to speeding.    I guess I don't understand why those guys even have a dyno if they don't use it but mabie its because they do not know how to.  In the words of my priest "Run to the hills, run for your life".
Others may have other ideas but this I think is a decent afr table to use after smart tuning

Joe, I was wondering how this afr table would work out on a 57h. Any thoughts?

Pappy

[joe_lyons]

Should work ok.

[pappy]

I'm guessing that is what the table looks like in 14.6 mode correct?

pappy

[joe_lyons]

Yes

[pappy]

thanks

[fltrdes]

2010 SG 96" stage 1
I posted previously that in 2010 the 1580 map was 009FY002.
2011 repeated, then the 2012 & 2013 included both 009FY002 & 044AAG003
so I decided to flash 044AAG003 and the base map was stronger before data runs.
on comparison of the original 009 & 044 tables no difference was found. several data runs later there was small VE changes.

Now the latest 2014 update has removed the 009FY002 map form the calibration list.

Others still using an 009 map may want to see if the 044 map benefits.

Interested if anyone knows why the 009 map was dropped

My understanding is that there are a lot of settings in the ECM that the SEPST and other tuners do not affect and are not seen or changable. Very well could be those areas were changed with the later base map.

[1Canuck]

My understanding is that there are a lot of settings in the ECM that the SEPST and other tuners do not affect and are not seen or changable. Very well could be those areas were changed with the later base map.

I agree. Just wondering if anyone has discovered the hidden secrets. There must be a difference in the hidden files between the 009 & 044.
This still leaves one to wonder how many bikes are tuned with a 009 map no longer listed

[joe_lyons]

044 has active idle timing control and 009 does not.  Active idle timing control "helps" to stabilize idle with varying the timing +-8°.

[pappy]

044 has active idle timing control and 009 does not.  Active idle timing control "helps" to stabilize idle with varying the timing +-8°.

Joe
I'm wondering weather or not SEPST 044 cals deal with cam estimation. Not like TSS does, of course with an active input from the operator, but does the function somewhere exist, or otherwise the only difference from one 044 cal to another would be only what we see in the tables we are shown?

Form what you are saying there is certainly one function that I was unaware of and that we do not have access. I do know that the 044 cals feel a hell of a lot different from the earlier version I had.

pappy

[1Canuck]

044 has active idle timing control and 009 does not.  Active idle timing control "helps" to stabilize idle with varying the timing +-8°.

I can see this through data items. However I went further. with a print out of the spark advance table, there are numerous areas where the requested timing is not followed. Is this new? I may have to roll back the last software update as I am suspect that their may be a glitch but cannot put my finger on it.
The spark advance/retard has a number of large retards but there is no knock detected. As map goes up advance goes down.

may not be something new, just not noticed

[strokerjlk]

044 has active idle timing control and 009 does not.  Active idle timing control "helps" to stabilize idle with varying the timing +-8°.

I can see this through data items. However I went further. with a print out of the spark advance table, there are numerous areas where the requested timing is not followed. Is this new? I may have to roll back the last software update as I am suspect that their may be a glitch but cannot put my finger on it.
The spark advance/retard has a number of large retards but there is no knock detected. As map goes up advance goes down.

may not be something new, just not noticed

no its nothing new . thats the reason I dont use 044 cals.

[1Canuck]

The 009 for 10-13 touring is no longer in the tuning files. The latest update removed it?
I looked at 009 recordings and the occasional spark dip & map rise occurs with steady rpm & speed.

chalk it down to the hidden files making corrections behind the scene.

[pappy]

I was not sure weather to start a new thread or not but chose here because I am an idiot.

My question is what does the super tuner actually mean when that say match your cam to the closes of the screamin eagle base calibrations. On which number is the closest match to consider.
I'm questioning this because although TTS has labeled calibrations as applying to a specific cam in part of their literature they also refer to the lift and duration in other parts. So is it lift, duration, intake valve closing degree, or other timing?

Pappy

[1Canuck]

The HD tuners expect you to use their cams. Therefore you start with the base cal which is closest though not exact. you said Andrews 57 in an earlier post, others may suggest something else I say the SE204 is close enough.
If I knew what bike/engine you have I could suggest the cal to start with

[pappy]

1Canuck
2011 Road King 103" SE Ventilator Andrews, 57H, V&H Power Duals, Crusher Mellows
Yes the se204 does seems the closest in timing but not in lift.

Pappy

[1Canuck]

You may find one closer as said. 044SDH004 is the only choice for SE204

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[BUBBIE]

I'm wondering?  Will I loose my original 009 map if I hook my SEPT in the computer? (been reading of Problems on doing this) I really have tune running top Notch right now. I don't need to change anything. If HD can change My files to Update, That would Not be what I'd want.
I have opened the tuning program in the PC but it will say I need an Up date. Clicking on Up Date and Nothing happens. I must need my cable to sept and computer hooked up? 

signed....BUBBIE

[1Canuck]

just save the 009 file to a folder somewhere else in the computer than where the software goes to look
you may want to save a copy of the base 009 too as the one I used before is no longer listed

[dynablack07]

THE SE update does not require the VCI to be connected, but older version's don't fail to update ( 3.x ). I found that with newer versions ( 7.x ) that the map I had been running 176PI005, can no longer be flashed to the ECM,, I get a message that a improved map 176PI006 must be used..

[strokerjlk]

I'm wondering?  Will I loose my original 009 map if I hook my SEPT in the computer? (been reading of Problems on doing this) I really have tune running top Notch right now. I don't need to change anything. If HD can change My files to Update, That would Not be what I'd want.
I have opened the tuning program in the PC but it will say I need an Up date. Clicking on Up Date and Nothing happens. I must need my cable to sept and computer hooked up? 

signed....BUBBIE

when you open up the software and it asks to update ,you have to have a internet connection to update.
when you hook up the vci ,it will say it needs to be updated as well. you don't need a internet connection to update the vci.

when doing the updates to the software, it wont affect any cal. you have saved.
it will change some of the factory canned maps ,that you have never re named .
so if you like a canned map that you tuned off of , and want to keep it as it was from the factory ,just open it and re name it .
if your worried about losing any map you have previously saved , it wont ever do that with a update .

[BUBBIE]

Thanks Guys...

Good to know. The re-name is the way I went to start with. At least added 0000 to the end.

I Imagine that will work.

signed....BUBBIE

[BUBBIE]

044 has active idle timing control and 009 does not.  Active idle timing control "helps" to stabilize idle with varying the timing +-8°.

009SAH002-01.dt0 ...... SAVED TO;  009SAH002-0100000.dt0

With my 009 map based set and running GOOD, fuel changed @ 20 kPa over to 60 kPa, full Block over and down to 2000RPM set at 13.9... 

Even with engine temp (C) and RPM modified for the Cold Idle, I CAN feel the need for some Auto timing changes...
Nothing really drastic felt BUT on first cold start-up, Even in the Warm mornings here in Az.

I might have to give a little throttle twist to smooth out the idle (catch it) once or twice after first started then in 20 seconds, all is fine.
I usually let it run for a full minute or two before I easily ride off...

signed....BUBBIE

[strokerjlk]

044 has active idle timing control and 009 does not.  Active idle timing control "helps" to stabilize idle with varying the timing +-8°.

I can see this through data items. However I went further. with a print out of the spark advance table, there are numerous areas where the requested timing is not followed. Is this new? I may have to roll back the last software update as I am suspect that their may be a glitch but cannot put my finger on it.
The spark advance/retard has a number of large retards but there is no knock detected. As map goes up advance goes down.

may not be something new, just not noticed

spark temp corrections are still operating . with no control from the user
PE spark and PE fuel has no control from the user either ,but is still operating .
this is why you will see your requested timing differ .its either being pulled because of temp or holding the throttle wide open
or as Joe said it is the auto adj. of the 044 cal.
there is nothing we can do about spark temp or PE. but the auto correct isnt in a 009 cal.

[1Canuck]

Thanks Strokerjlk