k&P reusable oil filter

[4speed]

thinking of getting one, but they are a little over 100 bucks don't want to waste my money,so whats the pros and cons you think?

[blown alcohol]

I would like to hear some feedback from members that have used this filter. Where did you purchase, and how many filter cleanings (oil changes) have you done with this filter?
I see that Baisley has these filters for sale on his site.

[FXDBI]

http://www.gopurepower.com/store/
Been really thinking of buying one of these myself. They have the same style of re-useable filter on alot of big high-speed equipment I have woked on over the years. The stealer charges $20 for a chome filter, wouldnt take long to pay fo itself..........Bob

[TOMCENTRAL]

I have one & like it.The inside filter screen is surgical stainless & cleans easily.I got mine from Bogart/Scootertrash.His # is 720-275-0079.Regards,Tom

[tmwmoose]

Great product I have been selling them for a couple years out of my shop. super easy to remove/install on twin cams since its smaller than a standard filter no fighting with the crank sensor. I also hold back around 6 oz of oil since it doesn't hold oil at rest .. We caught a road king starting to  loose its chainshoes  and on my FLH it showed my oil tank baffle grinding away on the aluminum casting. Has quieted a few cold start noisy top ends. I'm Also monitoring a rebuild on a 78 xlch. There's definitely no pressure loss with this system. On Evo's shovels and iron head sportster's it gives a very welcome break to the return side of the oil pump which can mean alittle less oil out the breather . I guess you can tell I'm very pleased over them plus there will be a few less filters at the land fill to!

[Jeffd]

Looks like $150 on Baisley's site.  Where did you find them for a little over $100?  Any one know the cheapest place for these?  I always cut my filters and this would be a heck of a lot easier.

[Sonny S.]

tmwmoose,

Being as you sell these would you happen to have any technical information such as beta ratio ?

[FLTRI]

I gotta be honest, I have a problem with an oil filter company using horsepower increase to sell their product. Oil filter comparison should be based on quality of filtration only. Maybe if the bike owner can't get to a dealer and buy filters there is a bit of convenience to cleaning the filter rather than replacing it. Like if you were in Iraq, out in the desert and there was no dealer or parts store to buy a replacement filter, field servicing would have a benefit......unless you can't keep it out of the wind and sand which is EVERYWHERE!
To think there is 4 hp/tq difference between oil filters is, IMO, simply folly and takes away from an otherwise good filtration product, just a lot of coin to get ones hands oily every time the filter need changing/cleaning.

[Sonny S.]

>>>I gotta be honest, I have a problem with an oil filter company using horsepower increase to sell their product. Oil filter comparison should be based on quality of filtration only.<<<

[02FYRFTR]

Guy selling genuine H/D chromed filters on E-Bay, nine filters for $55.00 Buy It Now plus nine bucks shipping.  Changing oil at 2000 miles enough for 18,000 miles which is six years for average H/D owner.  Why pay 100 bucks and the mess of cleaning the reusable filter.  JMHO

[Jeffd]

Guy selling genuine H/D chromed filters on E-Bay, nine filters for $55.00 Buy It Now plus nine bucks shipping.  Changing oil at 2000 miles enough for 18,000 miles which is six years for average H/D owner.  Why pay 100 bucks and the mess of cleaning the reusable filter.  JMHO

Or less than a year and half for me LOL> 

[Jeffd]

I gotta be honest, I have a problem with an oil filter company using horsepower increase to sell their product. Oil filter comparison should be based on quality of filtration only. Maybe if the bike owner can't get to a dealer and buy filters there is a bit of convenience to cleaning the filter rather than replacing it. Like if you were in Iraq, out in the desert and there was no dealer or parts store to buy a replacement filter, field servicing would have a benefit......unless you can't keep it out of the wind and sand which is EVERYWHERE!
To think there is 4 hp/tq difference between oil filters is, IMO, simply folly and takes away from an otherwise good filtration product, just a lot of coin to get ones hands oily every time the filter need changing/cleaning.

I looked on the K&P site and they actually say that it could increase your hp depending on your oil pump but at the very least will not decrease your hp.  The way I read it on thier site is only in extreme cases would hp increase.
I know last year when I talked to Dan Baisley he told me that they did not see a hp increase but did see an oil temp decrease.

[Sonny S.]

..... but how effective is it as an " oil filter " ?

[Jeffd]

..... but how effective is it as an " oil filter " ?

If Dan Baisley recommends them, then they work. You would be hard pressed to find any builder more respected then Baisley.

[Sonny S.]

Jeff I understand that. When I spoke to Dan last year he was telling me about the filter as well. However, he could not provide me with an efficiency rating of any kind. I'm not going to trust my motor to an oil filter just because it's pretty, can be cleaned, or just because Dan recommended it. I've used product of his for 20 years, and I'm sure he wouldn't endorse a product that wasn't decent.

you know how it is with stuff like this...many of us want the facts...thats all.
If the filter is worth a crap as a filter the manufacturer will have solid data, as to it's effectivness as a filter.
Reducing heat or increasing flow is secondary to what is supposed to be it's primary purpose.... oil filtration

19 years ago I adapted an Oberg oil filter to my 72 Ironhead. Oberg had not even heard of one being installed on a Harley at that time.
Washable oil filters are nothing new. They are also primarily designed for racing, not long engine life ...IMHO
I'm sure Bob has heard of Oberg.

[tmwmoose]

Sonny S.

 I haven't any beta ratio info, it is rated a 35 micron filter  there site kandpengineering may have some answers there for ya !

[Sonny S.]

Sonny S.

 I haven't any beta ratio info, it is rated a 35 micron filter  there site kandpengineering may have some answers there for ya !

Thanks

[FLTRI]

Jeff I understand that. When I spoke to Dan last year he was telling me about the filter as well. However, he could not provide me with an efficiency rating of any kind. I'm not going to trust my motor to an oil filter just because it's pretty, can be cleaned, or just because Dan recommended it. I've used product of his for 20 years, and I'm sure he wouldn't endorse a product that wasn't decent.

you know how it is with stuff like this...many of us want the facts...thats all.
If the filter is worth a crap as a filter the manufacturer will have solid data, as to it's effectivness as a filter.
Reducing heat or increasing flow is secondary to what is supposed to be it's primary purpose.... oil filtration

19 years ago I adapted an Oberg oil filter to my 72 Ironhead. Oberg had not even heard of one being installed on a Harley at that time.
Washable oil filters are nothing new. They are also primarily designed for racing, not long engine life ...IMHO
I'm sure Bob has heard of Oberg.

Best part of the Oberg is its easy dissasembly to inspect for bits and pieces that shouldn't be there. No need to filter dirt due to frequency of oil changes, but for instection purposes...

[txtech]

arent twin cam filters supposed to be 5 micron??? 35 micron dont sound to good to me. maybe thats where the extra h.p come from,less filtering.

[FLTRI]

arent twin cam filters supposed to be 5 micron??? 35 micron dont sound to good to me. maybe thats where the extra h.p come from,less filtering.

As I alluded to, filtering the oil doesn't make or lose power. Not filtering the oil doesn't make or lose power.
Excessive engine drag will cost power but to indicate that an oil filter can cause enough reduction in oil pump drag to make 4hp/tq is so far out there I'm wondering how/why they post such a propaganda dyno sheet.
Don't know of any engine builder who says it makes power, just a few who think the rebuildability is a good idea for some builds.

[Jeffd]

arent twin cam filters supposed to be 5 micron??? 35 micron dont sound to good to me. maybe thats where the extra h.p come from,less filtering.

I believe that the K&P filters all the oil and 35 microns is absolute.  Remember that the stock filter bypasses oil so the only oil being filtered 5 microns is the oil not being bypassed.

[txtech]

how does the stock filter bypass??? autos have a filter bypass in the engine,it only bypasses if the filter gets plugged. never heard of a bypass in the filter. fram auto filters are 15 micron,35 dont sound very filtering

[Jeffd]

I did not mean the filter by passes oil.  I meant oil gets by passed by the filter.

[Jeffd]

I would guess if you don't like or trust the idea behind this filter don't use it.  I still say if Dan Baisley thinks it is worth while it is good enough for me.

[smoserx1]

arent twin cam filters supposed to be 5 micron??? 35 micron dont sound to good to me. maybe thats where the extra h.p come from,less filtering.

Yes.  To really know the whole story the micron rating should be specified with an efficiency at the micron rating.  All filters will become less efficient the smaller the particle size becomes.  Since Harley does not specify an efficiency at 5 micron, and this filter does not specify an efficiency at 35 microns, we don't have all the information needed to make an informed choice.  However, I am with you, 35 micron on a TC doesn't sound good to me either.