Installing Genesis 577 or Kuryakyn TC 24 D Cams

[strokerjlk]

Reply 24 shows 110 tq at 2500

it's 114 but i will split the diff with you since you cant see it.
112.5 tq vs your 90tq
so 22.5 tq diff.
for someone that looks at dyno sheets all the time ,you sure have a hell of a time seeing anything 

[hrdtail78]

OK  for argument sake.  That little blip might of went to 114.  I also see that max tq is 115. 

I am not going to continue to argue for the sake of it.  Guys can look at the sheets in the thread and make their own decision. 

[strokerjlk]

OK  for argument sake.  That little blip might of went to 114.  I also see that max tq is 115. 

I am not going to continue to argue for the sake of it.  Guys can look at the sheets in the thread and make their own decision.

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Hogdownunder
The guy that owned this bike. (got azz ended last spring). lives 6 miles from me . i have known him for 30 years.
he is one of the craziest guys i know. big ole stump ..6.2" 350 . him and his father own 4 peterbilt trucks . they all run triple digit speeds. he has a pretty bad 103 shovel as well.
in the summer he is a operating engineer. drinks more beer and fights more than anyone i know.
when he got this he wanted me to build a 110 stage 4 . so sure i will. unfortunately he failed to mention he wanted it for daytona. LOL . anyway I made him a deal. you let me tune it like it is,go to daytona,then when we do the stage 4 ,i wont charge you anything to re-tune it.
needless to say he was very happy with it,and no stage 4 ever happened.

so now I know this other guy. 40 years now. he has a 70 chevelle rag top he bought new ,and he traded a 70 GTO and some boot for a 2009 cvo dyna. so he also knows a little about performance.
he installs a SE 259 cam and has it tuned at a local dealership. the guys a good tuner been there 30 years now. so now he says he has 121 hp . he told me himself . so he probably has 121 tq and 100-105 hp.
same pipes as the 08 in the dyno sheet.
the 255 guy is a way more aggressive of a rider after 100 mph . he  aint scared of nothing.
so he jumps him and hits 100 mph so quick the other guy wont stay with him to use his extra hp.

there is this little biker bar not far from my house. most guys that have been here drive right past it.
this bar is about 6 miles from the 255 cam guys clubhouse. you didnt have to worry about going to slow to get there when he led the pack. he's a lot of fun,to run into. even on his new roadking. he always trys me

[motolocopat]

Could steer this Aussie any number of ways but he stated he wanted this or that cam and also that he's wanting to manage costs.... I also know from working over there most of the last year that EVERYTHING is expensive... like double what we pay...with that in mind
The Genesis cams get great reviews, the guy who makes/sells them is corresponding with you directly both on the phone and here in this thread and he advertises them as a good cam for a 110. That should be worth something vs dealing with a huge corporation like Kuryakyn
I say do the Genesis and maybe a slight mill of the heads to make sure they are perfectly flat and if GMR recommends it a .030 head gasket. At that point you should be good mechanically and just need to get it properly tuned/dialed in.

[strokerjlk]

Could steer this Aussie any number of ways but he stated he wanted this or that cam and also that he's wanting to manage costs.... I also know from working over there most of the last year that EVERYTHING is expensive... like double what we pay...with that in mind
The Genesis cams get great reviews, the guy who makes/sells them is corresponding with you directly both on the phone and here in this thread and he advertises them as a good cam for a 110. That should be worth something vs dealing with a huge corporation like Kuryakyn
I say do the Genesis and maybe a slight mill of the heads to make sure they are perfectly flat and if GMR recommends it a .030 head gasket. At that point you should be good mechanically and just need to get it properly tuned/dialed in.

take .030 off the heads .030 gasket ,and use either one of them and it will probably do 125 tq 115 hp without head work. 

[hogdownunder]

Hey Guys,

Thank you all for your advice, it certainly is a good topic for discussion.

Out of curiosity, is there any cam that will give the 110 motor a good overall performance increase with the same characteristics of the SE 255 cam with great low end torque which out performs the SE 255  all the way through the rev range?

You mentioned the Woods 48? Does this cam have good low end torque like the SE 255 but with better overall performance?

I have seen advice from some tuners on these Forums that  the SE 255 cam is a good performer if tuned correctly? Does this sound correct?

The SE255 cam with the standard downloadable SE tune from the SERT for my bike with the V & H Big Radius exhaust system is way too lean which affects performance, and also because it is too lean , adds to the motor running hot? Apparently if the 110 is tuned by a competent tuner with the SE 255 cam, the bike comes to life with no real need to change out the cam?

What are your thoughts?

Best Regards,

Aussie..

[jsachs1]

Put a 24 cam in the 110", add a little compression(90 cc head), and a good tune. Not only will it kick the sh*t  out of the 255 cammed motor,  but it will get rid of all the pms the 255 cam creates.
John

[04 SE Deuce]

Put a 24 cam in the 110", add a little compression(90 cc head), and a good tune. Not only will it kick the sh*t  out of the 255 cammed motor,  but it will get rid of all the pms the 255 cam creates.
John

I would only retain the 255 if you are planning to do gardening/agricultural work...someone who doesn't rev the motor or ride in a spirited manner.    Rick

[strokerjlk]

Put a 24 cam in the 110", add a little compression(90 cc head), and a good tune. Not only will it kick the sh*t  out of the 255 cammed motor,  but it will get rid of all the pms the 255 cam creates.
John

I would only retain the 255 if you are planning to do gardening/agricultural work...someone who doesn't rev the motor or ride in a spirited manner.    Rick

that 255 with those pipes will bang the rev limiter in 3 gears so fast it will make your head spin.
it aint like a limp dick 103 with 255's

[04 SE Deuce]

I'll take John's suggested set-up against the forklift cam in any grudge that allows full throttle, full rpm, and requires multiple shifts.  Make that 110" more of a performer...not tractor.

255 for using 3 gears prior to crossing/clearing the intersection.

Different strokes for different folks.  Rick

[TorQuePimp]

Put a 24 cam in the 110", add a little compression(90 cc head), and a good tune. Not only will it kick the sh*t  out of the 255 cammed motor,  but it will get rid of all the pms the 255 cam creates.
John

  Should have ended the issue....sadly it did not

[strokerjlk]

Put a 24 cam in the 110", add a little compression(90 cc head), and a good tune. Not only will it kick the sh*t  out of the 255 cammed motor,  but it will get rid of all the pms the 255 cam creates.
John

  Should have ended the issue....sadly it did not

should have but it didnt.
hell i said the same thing..... take .030 off the heads and it will  do 115/125
without head work/compression  it's soft. 

[BVHOG]

Put a 24 cam in the 110", add a little compression(90 cc head), and a good tune. Not only will it kick the sh*t  out of the 255 cammed motor,  but it will get rid of all the pms the 255 cam creates.
John

PMS  Pinging Motor Syndrome?

[Unbalanced]

Put a 24 cam in the 110", add a little compression(90 cc head), and a good tune. Not only will it kick the sh*t  out of the 255 cammed motor,  but it will get rid of all the pms the 255 cam creates.
John

PMS  Pinging Motor Syndrome?

Yes it does include all of that, as well as all the other things it can cause, similiar to Premenstrual Syndrome     

[GoFast.....]

Put a 24 cam in the 110", add a little compression(90 cc head), and a good tune. Not only will it kick the sh*t  out of the 255 cammed motor,  but it will get rid of all the pms the 255 cam creates.
John

O John, I like the way you talk. You are exactly right. The bigger the cam the more compression you have to add to equal the compression in the smaller cam. Then it stays up with the smaller cam down low and kicks the #### out of it higher up where the Big Boys run.

[strokerjlk]

Put a 24 cam in the 110", add a little compression(90 cc head), and a good tune. Not only will it kick the sh*t  out of the 255 cammed motor,  but it will get rid of all the pms the 255 cam creates.
John

PMS  Pinging Motor Syndrome?

Yes it does include all of that, as well as all the other things it can cause, similiar to Premenstrual Syndrome     

if a man cant tune a stage 1 cvo . he better stick to swapping parts for a living 

[hrdtail78]

No good argument, no tech, just insults and attacks. 

[strokerjlk]

No good argument, no tech, just insults and attacks. 

no attacks on anyone. if a tech cant tune a stage 1 cvo . you better put him over on the lift installing apes and doing oil changes .

[Deye76]

Hey, on some FBW models those apes ain't easy. 

[GoFast.....]

Weight is a serious factor in racing.if this guy is 350 and the other guy is 200 that's not heads up racing. My brother in law had 120 Bagger that was well tuned.He happen to pull beside me and want to race on the wrong day. I was riding my sons 98" night train that I had warmed up for him. You should of seen the shock on his face when it was a dead heat.

[hrdtail78]

How does tuning ability even come involved in the conversation.  You have stated what you know, and posted sheets.  You dropped names and I didn't see them post up, but if nobody else can get "115" tq out of a stage 1 CVO at 2500.  They must not know how to tune.    That is a bold statement from one guy holding on to one old sheet.

It isn't only how it tunes out.  It is also how it will run down the street.  You are comparing a 211 to a 242 duration cam.  An intake close of 25 against 42.  Overlap of 13 to 34.  No big tuning secretes here.  One is going to produce a well mannered cooler running engine.  The other....Well, PMS is a good way to put it.

[GoFast.....]

 

[hogdownunder]

Hi Hrdtail78,

This topic has certainly brought about some interesting views on the SE 255 Cam.

What is your opinion on the SE 255 Cam?  Is their any Cam that will out perform it and not lose low end torque? I really enjoy the low end torque that the SE 255 Cam produces. Quit a few have suggested the Andrews 48. Does this Cam have good low end torque like the SE255?

What is the problem with the SE 255 Cam. Is it the way it was designed to comply with the EPA?

[hrdtail78]

I would take a good look at your riding style.  Do you whack the throttle at 2000, 2500 or 3000 rpm?  What rpm do you cruise at?  Is your 6th gear usable at 55mph?  Do you down shift to pass?  Could you benefit more from a cam that comes on 200 rpm later and a gear ratio change?

[hogdownunder]

Hi,

I probably wind the throttle on early, say at 2,000 RPM. Cruise between 2,000 - 3,000 RPM.

You can use 6th gear at 55 mph. At that speed, RPM is around 2,300..

I don't mind the Cam coming into life where it is at the moment, that is early in the RPM range.

I guess, I was looking for similar low end performance but with increased TQ?

What do you think about the SE 204 "Nasty Cam" or the Andrews 48? How do these Cams compare to the SE 255?