Gaterman GP-1023 Lifters Long Term Wear

[q1svt]

Someone would need to sell a different lifter cover... but I've been looking at these...

http://www.jegs.com/i/GM-Performance/809/12550002/10002/-1

edited: I'm a ford guy so my search started with these... I know the ford lifters are larger in diameter not sure if the lifter cuts/keepers are different than a chevy.
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_0710_chevy_small_block/photo_04.html

[Durwood]

Someone would need to sell a different lifter cover... but I've been looking at these...

http://www.jegs.com/i/GM-Performance/809/12550002/10002/-1

Yup, saw those as well, heck kury or someone could whip up some covers and tube clips.

[garyajaz]

and where are these gatermans made?

could be the "source" of the problem

[hrdtail78]

and where are these gatermans made?

could be the "source" of the problem

I agree.  Korean made, came out last year, a lot of guys jumped on band wagon, problems after some mileage, and guys are surprised.

[N-gin]

I called and ordered both oversizes. Each pin kit is 32 and some change. Zippers is going balls deep for these pins.
They probly sell the pin stock somewere in length, I just dont know were to get it.
As for the shim stock... I dont know if I like the idea of more moving parts in the engine. Even if fixed dont think the pin will work like its supos to stationary. Its ment to roll.

[rbabos]

I called and ordered both oversizes. Each pin kit is 32 and some change. Zippers is going balls deep for these pins.
They probly sell the pin stock somewere in length, I just dont know were to get it.
As for the shim stock... I dont know if I like the idea of more moving parts in the engine. Even if fixed dont think the pin will work like its supos to stationary. Its ment to roll.

Looks like drill rod to me. Use to get that stuff in 3' lengths. Could likely be ordered in from a machine tool center ground to whatever size you want.  I agree, it should float or it risks being gouged from repeated lifter flat (edge) contacts.
Ron

[strokerjlk]

I called and ordered both oversizes. Each pin kit is 32 and some change. Zippers is going balls deep for these pins.
They probly sell the pin stock somewere in length, I just dont know were to get it.
As for the shim stock... I dont know if I like the idea of more moving parts in the engine. Even if fixed dont think the pin will work like its supos to stationary. Its ment to roll.

Looks like drill rod to me. Use to get that stuff in 3' lengths. Could likely be ordered in from a machine tool center ground to whatever size you want.  I agree, it should float or it risks being gouged from repeated lifter flat (edge) contacts.
Ron

3' pcs of 1/4 inch drill rod

[FSG]

and where are these gatermans made?

could be the "source" of the problem

I agree.  Korean made, came out last year, a lot of guys jumped on band wagon, problems after some mileage, and guys are surprised.

There's 2 statements here ........

could be the "source" of the problem     Which problem is being referred to?

Korean made, came out last year, .........   Really, you need to brush up on your geography and improve your data retention.   

[FSG]

FSG, good idea... I was thinking to bend it into a ' [ ' and the short tabs face away from the roll pin into the pocket (in the picture, to the right of the feeler gauge).

Yep that'd work, heck there's a lot of bikes with parts glued on to the inside of primary cover.   

........  As for the shim stock... I dont know if I like the idea of more moving parts in the engine. Even if fixed dont think the pin will work like its supos to stationary. Its ment to roll.

Shim stock doesn't mean the pin couldn't move.

[hrdtail78]

and where are these gatermans made?

could be the "source" of the problem

I agree.  Korean made, came out last year, a lot of guys jumped on band wagon, problems after some mileage, and guys are surprised.

There's 2 statements here ........

could be the "source" of the problem     Which problem is being referred to?

Korean made, came out last year, .........   Really, you need to brush up on your geography and improve your data retention.

Not really.  They are not USA made, and if I have my choice, I prefer USA made parts.  Details aren't important to me on this, and I would rather care about other things than waste my time.

Correct me if I am wrong.  Are they USA made?

[FSG]

A pitiful response but to be expected.

[hrdtail78]

Correct me if I am wrong.  Are they USA made?

A pitiful response but to be expected.

From what I gathered about your thoughts on me from your private PM's.  Can it go any other way?  Should I bother to engage in a tech conversation with you?  Or should I just blow it off and dismiss the issue.  Since I haven't used a Gaterman lifter and don't plan on it.  I will stick with S&S and not worry about it.

Good day.

[FSG]

There's nothing wrong with choice, it's a free country or at least it was last time I looked.  You prefer USA made parts, I've no problem with that, there's some USA made parts that I prefer myself. 

Should I bother to engage in a tech conversation with you?

Probably not, there wasn't anything tech in your post so your safe there , but if your going to have a go at a products country of origin do try to get it right. 

[FSG]

For those wondering how a GM Lifter might fit, below are the measurements of a GM 17122490 Lifter.

While it's flat is recessed .0429" it must be noted that it's diameter is .002" less than a HD -99B, it's top diameter is .0035" less than a HD -99B meaning that it's flat is .002" further away from the roll pin as a HD -99B.

[N-gin]

I called and ordered both oversizes. Each pin kit is 32 and some change. Zippers is going balls deep for these pins.
They probly sell the pin stock somewere in length, I just dont know were to get it.
As for the shim stock... I dont know if I like the idea of more moving parts in the engine. Even if fixed dont think the pin will work like its supos to stationary. Its ment to roll.

Looks like drill rod to me. Use to get that stuff in 3' lengths. Could likely be ordered in from a machine tool center ground to whatever size you want.  I agree, it should float or it risks being gouged from repeated lifter flat (edge) contacts.
Ron

3' pcs of 1/4 inch drill rod

hmm were can I get drill rod? Ill do a search. If I come up empty are hou willing to sell?
of course thats if it will work.

[Ohio HD]

Try McMaster-Carr for drill rod.

[rbabos]

You can get it at some industrial supply shops like where they sell threaded rod and such. Another source is where they sell machine shop tools. Even Ebay has it.
Ron

[Admiral Akbar]

I called and ordered both oversizes. Each pin kit is 32 and some change. Zippers is going balls deep for these pins.
They probly sell the pin stock somewere in length, I just dont know were to get it.
As for the shim stock... I dont know if I like the idea of more moving parts in the engine. Even if fixed dont think the pin will work like its supos to stationary. Its ment to roll.

Looks like drill rod to me. Use to get that stuff in 3' lengths. Could likely be ordered in from a machine tool center ground to whatever size you want.  I agree, it should float or it risks being gouged from repeated lifter flat (edge) contacts.
Ron

3' pcs of 1/4 inch drill rod

hmm were can I get drill rod? Ill do a search. If I come up empty are hou willing to sell?
of course thats if it will work.

Good luck finding drill rod that is any other size other than 0.250 or 0.277.. I suspect that Jim's caliper is off unless he found a place that will grind him some..
Drill rod that size is typically +- 0.0005  Not sure how he got 0.254.. 0,250 and 0.277 are standard sizes..

Max

[Ohio HD]

ALRO Is also a place to call.

A short link, or the original.

http://alturl.com/2pga4

or....

http://www.alro.com/datasearch/results.aspx?cx=013968448853096328073%3Avz3seqv5w4m&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=UTF-8&q=drill+rod&sa=Search&siteurl=www.alro.com%2Flocations%2Flocations_dy.aspx&ref=www.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D2%26ved%3D0CD4QFjAB%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.alro.com%252Flocations%252Flocations_dy.aspx%26ei%3D1M8sU-TJE-ONygHQsYCYDg%26usg%3DAFQjCNFirMht9PLw7vDlR2Sy4hVpShURDw%26sig2%3DYY0mmFtzz89ZQRW1JRtjeg&ss=250j62500j2

[FSG]

Looks like your "drill rod" is called "silver steel" over here and is readily available in short (1.5") and longer lengths (1m) in various diameters.

[rbabos]

I called and ordered both oversizes. Each pin kit is 32 and some change. Zippers is going balls deep for these pins.
They probly sell the pin stock somewere in length, I just dont know were to get it.
As for the shim stock... I dont know if I like the idea of more moving parts in the engine. Even if fixed dont think the pin will work like its supos to stationary. Its ment to roll.

Looks like drill rod to me. Use to get that stuff in 3' lengths. Could likely be ordered in from a machine tool center ground to whatever size you want.  I agree, it should float or it risks being gouged from repeated lifter flat (edge) contacts.
Ron

3' pcs of 1/4 inch drill rod

hmm were can I get drill rod? Ill do a search. If I come up empty are hou willing to sell?
of course thats if it will work.

Good luck finding drill rod that is any other size other than 0.250 or 0.277.. I suspect that Jim's caliper is off unless he found a place that will grind him some..
Drill rod that size is typically +- 0.0005  Not sure how he got 0.254.. 0,250 and 0.277 are standard sizes..

Max

Depends. Another option here. I see a .257 listed here. That could be slimmed down to suit with drill and 320.
http://www.tmtco.com/products/drill-rod-o1.html
Ron

[N-gin]

Looks like your "drill rod" is called "silver steel" over here and is readily available in short (1.5") and longer lengths (1m) in various diameters.

Still only see .2519 and .2559 ar still the same size as zippers sells.


I'm still looking, but for now I have both sizes coming so at any rate I will post what I find.

[strokerjlk]

I called and ordered both oversizes. Each pin kit is 32 and some change. Zippers is going balls deep for these pins.
They probly sell the pin stock somewere in length, I just dont know were to get it.
As for the shim stock... I dont know if I like the idea of more moving parts in the engine. Even if fixed dont think the pin will work like its supos to stationary. Its ment to roll.

Looks like drill rod to me. Use to get that stuff in 3' lengths. Could likely be ordered in from a machine tool center ground to whatever size you want.  I agree, it should float or it risks being gouged from repeated lifter flat (edge) contacts.
Ron

3' pcs of 1/4 inch drill rod

hmm were can I get drill rod? Ill do a search. If I come up empty are hou willing to sell?
of course thats if it will work.

Good luck finding drill rod that is any other size other than 0.250 or 0.277.. I suspect that Jim's caliper is off unless he found a place that will grind him some..
Drill rod that size is typically +- 0.0005  Not sure how he got 0.254.. 0,250 and 0.277 are standard sizes..

Max

Depends. Another option here. I see a .257 listed here. That could be slimmed down to suit with drill and 320.
http://www.tmtco.com/products/drill-rod-o1.html
Ron

We have .250 .255 .257 .258
I went through the stack until I found the smallest piece. 
Calipers are calibrated every 3 months for QS -ISO and corporate six sigma quality  .

[mike jesse]

Might think about checking the hardness of a stocker before slipping a piece of that drill rod into your engine.

[Billy]

Might think about checking the hardness of a stocker before slipping a piece of that drill rod into your engine.

The anti-rotation pins that come stock appear to me to be hardened dowel pins.