Woods 8, can they be quiet? Or pick me a cam that will produce equal results

[TorQuePimp]

  Is it just the lifters or is there something else causing the RACKET ?

  I guess its for just early bikes so the tman 590 is it

and whats a helmet ?

[RevFastEddy]

Hey all, I am planning out a 107" build for the upcoming winter for my FLHX.  I have scoured the dyno section looking for results that will suit my riding style.  This is the build/dyno sheet that I think would best suite me: http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,72341.0.html  125 squared with early, hard hitting torque is right where I would like to be!   

That build uses a Woods 8-6.  Couple questions about these cams. 
How noisy are they?
Can they be setup to run quiet? 
Can those cams, when properly setup, be reliable to put a lot of miles on them?
Is there an alternative cam with softer ramps (read quieter operation) that will net me the same results? 

The build is wide open right now, as I have yet to purchase anything but exhaust.  I went with D&D Boarzilla

W8 cams... They ran as quiet as stock cams in my 01  Deuce 95" build...  The S&S 585 is really close in specs and comes in easy start version...

[RevFastEddy]

you would have to define "noisy" a little better.

Well this is the problem.  I do not know anyone who runs the cam.  Therefore, cannot listen to, nor take a ride on the bike to see if the noise is acceptable to me.  So, like you said, I may just have to try them and see for myself.

If you are around the So Cal or Vegas area lots of HAs run the woods 8... 

[QuickFLD]

If you are around the So Cal or Vegas area lots of HAs run the woods 8...

ChiTown/northwest Indiana

[1FSTRK]

I recently put together a budget build with the tr590 deal.
I think I squeezed it hard (210ccp), and came up with 123/120 on a stingy dyno.
Sounds stock.

This is a good looking build and the cam is not holding it it back in any way. The curve is as good as any TW8 build and the peak numbers would be higher with more air.
Here is the link to the dyno sheet.
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,72314.msg788149.html#msg788149

[03NhHarley]

I was in the same boat. Really liked the dynos charts of the wood 8. Seemed like a great all around cam with a good amount of comp. Then i saw a 124 on here with 585s that looked sweet for "hot rod" bagger. My 585s are very quiet. They get a little clickty clackity at hot idle but I also have S&S gear drive and roller rockers, plus still being on conv 20w50. Just happened to work out that i found a 2nd hand set for cheap money and looked new. No numbers on my build yet. Should have some in June.

Builds that turned me onto the 585s.

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,61707.0.html

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,67405.0.html

[QuickFLD]

This build is also intriguing...

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,70832.0.html. All TMan, 107" with the 662-1

Not sure how the Boarzilla compares to some of the large X pipes though. I have the exhaust, and I love the D&D sound, so it's not going anywhere.

[1FSTRK]

Most 585 graphs that I have seen do not come in as early as the TR590 and TW8. The cams based off the TW8 have about the broadest torque curve I have seen for cams in the under .600 lift under 250 duration group.

The TR662-1 is a good  TW8 based cam in the over .600 group but the latest
TR 660sm has adjusted time to within 1 degree of the the TW8 and would be a better choice if going with that much lift.

[No Cents]

I can tell you for a fact that the Tman line of his 662 series cams...all perform excellent for a given application.
With the correct compression set for one of his 3 cams in the 662 lineup...with all the other complimenting parts needed...you will have a strong performer!
I was always scared of the .660 lift of the 662 series...but these days with the better valve springs available with the pressures not so high...these cams are easily streetable and I have not seen any valve train issues to date from running them with their .660 lift.

[strokerjlk]

If you are around the So Cal or Vegas area lots of HAs run the woods 8...

ChiTown/northwest Indiana

not in person . but if you listen close you can hear what you could look forward to.
408-6 cams in a 113. it didn't stay in  swapped it out for a t man cam
guys can say this and that about wood cams being quiet.
but I have never hear a wood 6 ,8 , 9 , 408-6 that was quiet enough that I couldn't tell it was a wood cam.
http://youtu.be/9oAS2IHYaaA

[1FSTRK]

Yes they can be quiet.
Find a builder that uses and likes them and you will have no problems.

And those that have trouble will always hate them.
There is no question that the other cams will work with a broad range of set ups and be relatively quiet, There is also no question that TW8 set up correctly will run as quiet when and make the best tq curve when compared to the copies.

[No Cents]

Here is another video with the Wood 408-6 cams in my bike.
This is very close to what I have heard with every TW8 cam.
I myself...couldn't live with the valve train noise. But they did perform well and hit hard. I replaced the 408's with a set of Tman 625's...and was elated with the results.

http://youtu.be/-y0XNweK8i4

I will add this:
on a bagger that sound of the loose marbles is amplified back into your face with the fairing.
You need to try the TW8's...and run them for awhile...then you can make your own mind up.
If you don't like them...there are some cam options out there that are very close to the 8's...without the noise.
Like what has been said...a loud valve train noise doesn't bother some people...and some don't like it. I personally don't.

[QuickFLD]

I'd like to thank everyone for their input. I know a little about performance, but on the automotive side. But I'm new to Harley and am just unsure how to go about it all just yet. I'm not afraid to run compression or "a lot" of lift. My for fun street car was .630ish lift and driven all day anyday. I just wanted to insert this here as a am grateful

[05FLHTC]

X2 on the Tman 625 cam.

Out of the cams I have run, S&S 570, HQ33, & now fueling 574 all of them ran quiet but the Tman hit hardest down low & it also had the most valve train noise out of the cams I listed above, it wasn't a show stopper for me.

That's a nice scoot cents!

[05FLHTC]

If you are around the So Cal or Vegas area lots of HAs run the woods 8...

ChiTown/northwest Indiana

Howdy neighbor 

[QuickFLD]

If you are around the So Cal or Vegas area lots of HAs run the woods 8...

ChiTown/northwest Indiana

Howdy neighbor

Hello!

Side note: the search function should be changed to show threads started by user name. All these names and their respective dyno sheets would be sooo much easier to find

[1FSTRK]

I'd like to thank everyone for their input. I know a little about performance, but on the automotive side. But I'm new to Harley and am just unsure how to go about it all just yet. I'm not afraid to run compression or "a lot" of lift. My for fun street car was .630ish lift and driven all day anyday. I just wanted to insert this here as a am grateful

It really is simple
If you are a do it yourself builder or are using a builder that has bad luck with making noisy motors when using Wood cams play it safe and go with a different brand.

If you are using a tried and true setup from someone that has no trouble running the Wood brand quietly then there is no problem.

I Have had TW8's in both bike's for years and not one comment from anyone on valve noise, just the comments on how well they run.

On the compression side I have 9.9:1 comp on the the 110ci and about 10.5:1 on the 95ci and under 195 CCP on both with no PMS running pump gas.



95ci TW8

[No Cents]

 
both those look great Eric!
here is a pretty good comparison in valve train noise for you.
This is the same bike with only a cam swap from the Wood 408-6's to the Tman 625's...and I went from the V&H Pro pipe to a Zilla.
This combo went 120/122 sae on a 103"er with wfolarry 110 heads set at 10.5:1.
I lost the dyno graph to it...but it hit that 120 tq at 2600 rpm's and went flat across to 5250...if my memory serves me correct.
Even with my current 124"er...this 103 was a blast to ride. It would run right next to a crate 120R until we both got into 5th gear.

http://youtu.be/bxhuvrScx64

[1FSTRK]

The question from the OP was "can they be quiet" and the answer is YES.
If he had asked can they be noisy then all your posts would be relevant.

If you give someone an unassembled jet engine and they put it together and it does not run does it mean that jet engines do not work?

[05FLHTC]

Nice civil discussion folks sharing experience.

Than Cybil  has to come into it 

The question from the OP was "can they be quiet" and the answer is YES.
If he had asked can they be noisy then all your posts would be relevant.

[1FSTRK]

Nice civil discussion folks sharing experience.

Than Cybil  has to come into it 

The question from the OP was "can they be quiet" and the answer is YES.
If he had asked can they be noisy then all your posts would be relevant.

I do not mean any disrespect to anyone with this comment. I am just trying to point out again that if it was just the cam that no one would be able to make it quiet.
The statement was for clarification not a criticism. By wording the title the way he did it was clear he was aware of some people having valve noise so that point had been covered up front.

[QuickFLD]

I don't mind the cam swap vids from one brand to another!  Any and all info will help me in my decision, so keep it coming.

I understand that people like what they like, and they'll stand behind one product vs the other.

[trex]

The first video from Srokerjlk I honestly could not hear what he was talking about, then on the first vid from Nocents I could hear the rattle but my 95in does not have that. Like I said before my only noise is sort of a sewing machine noise I hear at low speeds I think is the gear drive. I wonder what he had the lifters at. My S&S are set at .150.

[No Cents]

The question from the OP was "can they be quiet" and the answer is YES.
If he had asked can they be noisy then all your posts would be relevant.

If you give someone an unassembled jet engine and they put it together and it does not run does it mean that jet engines do not work?

Eric...post him up a video of your TW8's in action then.
That would let the OP hear ...or not hear what has asked about.
Easy fix.

[1FSTRK]

The first video from Srokerjlk I honestly could not hear what he was talking about, then on the first vid from Nocents I could hear the rattle but my 95in does not have that. Like I said before my only noise is sort of a sewing machine noise I hear at low speeds I think is the gear drive. I wonder what he had the lifters at. My S&S are set at .150.

Both mine run the original B lifters.