Woods 8, can they be quiet? Or pick me a cam that will produce equal results

[QuickFLD]

Hey all, I am planning out a 107" build for the upcoming winter for my FLHX.  I have scoured the dyno section looking for results that will suit my riding style.  This is the build/dyno sheet that I think would best suite me: http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,72341.0.html  125 squared with early, hard hitting torque is right where I would like to be!   

That build uses a Woods 8-6.  Couple questions about these cams. 
How noisy are they?
Can they be setup to run quiet? 
Can those cams, when properly setup, be reliable to put a lot of miles on them?
Is there an alternative cam with softer ramps (read quieter operation) that will net me the same results? 

The build is wide open right now, as I have yet to purchase anything but exhaust.  I went with D&D Boarzilla

[1FSTRK]

Yes they can be quiet.
Find a builder that uses and likes them and you will have no problems.

[trex]

I have them in my 95in. Running SE cam plate and oil pump and S&S premium lifters. I only have a sewing machine sound at lower speeds I think comes from the gear drive for the cams. You will not be disappointed with the power. I have about 13000 on the motor with those cams with no reliability issues.

[JustinB]

The woods 8 in my bike is not loud. It does have a slight tick but nothing that is unbearable. We have used other cams in past from other cam companies that was just as loud with some being a lot louder. I really like that 8 grind has good power everywhere.

Justin

[QuickFLD]

The woods 8 in my bike is not loud. It does have a slight tick but nothing that is unbearable. We have used other cams in past from other cam companies that was just as loud with some being a lot louder. I really like that 8 grind has good power everywhere.

Justin

Your bike is the build I quoted for reference.  Question, do you have any dyno sheets with pulls that start at or slightly below 2500? 

[No Cents]

 
you would have to define "noisy" a little better.
The tw8 cams are power houses...but Bobby slams the door shut on them...which creates noise. There is no way around that...even with them set up perfectly with good lifters and p/rods with every thing clearanced properly so nothing rubs. It's just the nature of the beast. The Leineweber T7 is another great performing cam...but Jim has the steep ramps on it also so valve train noise will be associated with them also.
I guess the question should be...how much valve train noise can you stand?
I think if your looking at the dyno graph you posted and you like what you see...you'll have to try them in your application and listen to the results you get. If you can live with what you hear...you going to be happy. Proper valve spring pressure I think is the key to quietening them down.
There is no question that they are great for making power.

[speedzter]

I ran them in a 113" for a short time, and they were quiet with comp cams 875 lifters.
Running them in a 95" now, with Gatermans, and a little noisier, but not bad.

[QuickFLD]

you would have to define "noisy" a little better.

Well this is the problem.  I do not know anyone who runs the cam.  Therefore, cannot listen to, nor take a ride on the bike to see if the noise is acceptable to me.  So, like you said, I may just have to try them and see for myself.

[pddredduece]

I have a 107" Deuce with Woods TW9BG cams. I think that they are about the same noise level as when the motor was stock. It took me a while to get used to valve train noise on the stock motor when I first got the bike. This was a adjustment for me because I came from riding liquid cooled sport bikes to riding my first Harley. Riding a Harley is a completely different riding bike than riding a 1999 Yamaha R1.

[JustinB]

you would have to define "noisy" a little better.
The tw8 cams are power houses...but Bobby slams the door shut on them...which creates noise. There is no way around that...even with them set up perfectly with good lifters and p/rods with every thing clearanced properly so nothing rubs. It's just the nature of the beast. The Leineweber T7 is another great performing cam...but Jim has the steep ramps on it also so valve train noise will be associated with them also.
I guess the question should be...how much valve train noise can you stand?
I think if your looking at the dyno graph you posted and you like what you see...you'll have to try them in your application and listen to the results you get. If you can live with what you hear...you going to be happy. Proper valve spring pressure I think is the key to quietening them down.
There is no question that they are great for making power.

I have found that noise is person dependent. What one person considers noisy another person is ok with it. The 8 does have aggressive ramps which is part of the reason it is a high performer so some noise IMO is to be expected 

Justin

[BVHOG]

There is a quiet Wood 8 already available for purchase, it is called a Tman 590
I have ran them both in my own bike and have dyno'd several of each, while the wood 8's can be tolerable I would never tell anyone they are stock quiet because it just isn't the nature of the beast. You will know they are there. If you wan't 8's my bud has a brand new set for cheap right now.

[No Cents]

Bob...did the 590's put up the same numbers as the 8's on the dyno?

[BVHOG]

When I first dyno'd the bike with them they were a couple short of the 8's, a year later and a quick tune before Sturgis and they put up a couple more, pretty much wash in my book

[QuickFLD]

When I first dyno'd the bike with them they were a couple short of the 8's, a year later and a quick tune before Sturgis and they put up a couple more, pretty much wash in my book

Where can I find said dyno graphs?  I'd like to see to compare.  Thanks

[sfmichael]

"There is a quiet Wood 8 already available for purchase, it is called a Tman 590"

     

[No Cents]

When I first dyno'd the bike with them they were a couple short of the 8's, a year later and a quick tune before Sturgis and they put up a couple more, pretty much wash in my book

Where can I find said dyno graphs?  I'd like to see to compare.  Thanks

go to the dyno section here on the forum.
type in 590 cams in the top right hand corner search box and take a look see...do the same for the TW8's.
A lot of dyno sheets will come up for you to compare.

[QuickFLD]

When I first dyno'd the bike with them they were a couple short of the 8's, a year later and a quick tune before Sturgis and they put up a couple more, pretty much wash in my book

Where can I find said dyno graphs?  I'd like to see to compare.  Thanks

go to the dyno section here on the forum.
type in 590 cams in the top right hand corner search box and take a look see...do the same for the TW8's.
A lot of dyno sheets will come up for you to compare.

I've searched this forum thoroughly. Every TR590 comes up short of the 125hp of JustinB's build

[No Cents]

did any of them put a 11.0:1 squeeze on the 590 like Justin did?

[Deye76]

did any of them put a 11.0:1 squeeze on the 590 like Justin did?

 
Gonna need the squeeeeeze to pleazzzze.

[TorQuePimp]

tman 590 or DM 590

[DeneFLHR]

I recently put together a budget build with the tr590 deal.
I think I squeezed it hard (210ccp), and came up with 123/120 on a stingy dyno.
Sounds stock.

[No Cents]

got a chart on that to show the OP?
good #'s for a stingy dyno.
I'm guessing you mean the valve train sounding stock...correct?

[turboprop]

Just curious, but how are you guys hearing all this lifter noise? I mean, between the pipes, the wind and the noise protection from my helmet, I cant here anything. And why is lifter noise such a big deal anyway, some of you guys seem obsessed with it. Is it when the bike is idling and your walking around it with your buddies, really, I dont get it. Instead of worrying about lifter noise, put on a full face helmet and just ride your bike.

[QuickFLD]

did any of them put a 11.0:1 squeeze on the 590 like Justin did?

No, none of the dyno's I found of the TR590 were setup at 11.0:1.  I think the highest I saw was 10.8, but even that build only used a 50mm TB, so I think it was choking it off some up top

 
Gonna need the squeeeeeze to pleazzzze.

I understand this    Only worried about being out on the road and using lower than 93 octane.  I do not want to have a saddlebag filled with octane booster.  I know that quench has a lot to do detonation, so 11.0:1 will need to be setup correctly

tman 590 or DM 590

Does the DM590 even exist anymore?

Just curious, but how are you guys hearing all this lifter noise? I mean, between the pipes, the wind and the noise protection from my helmet, I cant here anything. And why is lifter noise such a big deal anyway, some of you guys seem obsessed with it. Is it when the bike is idling and your walking around it with your buddies, really, I dont get it. Instead of worrying about lifter noise, put on a full face helmet and just ride your bike.

I cannot speak for everyone, but I only ride with a helmet in states where it's required by law.
As for hearing the noise over the wind, I have realized with my short time on the FLHX that you can hear whats going on in the motor more because of the dead air behind the fairing.  Or at least you can hear more from the front cylinder.  Had the same thing when I'd throw a windshield on the Dyna.

[DeneFLHR]

got a chart on that to show the OP?
good #'s for a stingy dyno.
I'm guessing you mean the valve train sounding stock...correct?

Yes, no cents, I meant that the valve train/throttle body is dead quiet.
I posted the dyno a short while ago.
Right now I'm down in Havasu City watching drag boats and there hasn't been even the hint of a ping.
Dene