new Stage 4 motor not tuning good

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harleytuner

#25
March 16, 2015, 05:27:41 PM
Man that's ugly. To be honest you'd be better off picking up your bike as is and run like the wind. If that guy was ready to ship the bike like that he clearly is clueless, which me he's trying to learn on your ride. Where are you located? Maybe someone here can refer you to a competent tuner.  I do agree that your pipes aren't good, but they're not causing those peaks and valleys.

BlueFLHX12

#26
March 16, 2015, 05:33:20 PM
I live in Southern Maryland St Mary's County the only other decent place I heard of is in Winchester VA that is not far from where my Girlfriend lives and I go up there often
Craig

remington007

#27
March 16, 2015, 05:35:53 PM
As far as I know he as the sniffers stuck in the pipes
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If your bike has V&H dresser duals there is not much of a chance a sniffer probe could be inserted far enough on the rear cyclinder!

harleytuner

#28
March 16, 2015, 05:42:37 PM
Quote from: BlueFLHX12 on March 16, 2015, 05:33:20 PM
I live in Southern Maryland St Mary's County the only other decent place I heard of is in Winchester VA that is not far from where my Girlfriend lives and I go up there often
Craig

I'm in Fredericksburg va. If I can help.

BlueFLHX12

#29
March 16, 2015, 05:43:35 PM
Remington007
Do you think that is the reason he is having a hard time tuning it ... I mean he is a tech and works for a Harley dealer but I really don't know how much he knows about tuning
he is the only one that can run it there
craig

BlueFLHX12

#30
March 16, 2015, 05:45:58 PM
HarleyTuner
I seen that I clicked on your link and I will diffenenly

BlueFLHX12

#31
March 16, 2015, 05:48:36 PM
 :oops:
I wasn't done
I will differently keep you in mind do you use the probe sniffer too or do you have a bung you can put in the pipe
Craig

harleytuner

#32
March 16, 2015, 06:10:33 PM
Quote from: BlueFLHX12 on March 16, 2015, 05:48:36 PM
:oops:
I wasn't done
I will differently keep you in mind do you use the probe sniffer too or do you have a bung you can put in the pipe
Craig

I have herko blocks. I will install rivnuts in the head pipes and use the wideband sensors in them. No probing on an exhaust like you have

FLTRI

#33
March 16, 2015, 10:22:00 PM
Sniffer or Herko blocks...not even a possible excuse for that tune. Period.
The problem may be his equipment but I rather think it is simply a lack of tuning experience and knowledge.
If he is using you for his learning experiences he should be paying you or at least do it for nothing and stick with it until he learns how to tune...or wears out your engine trying.
But no way should deliver the bike to you as is.
Bob
The best we've experienced is the best we know
Always keep eyes and mind open

harleytuner

#34
March 17, 2015, 04:49:39 AM
Quote from: FLTRI on March 16, 2015, 10:22:00 PM
Sniffer or Herko blocks...not even a possible excuse for that tune. Period.
The problem may be his equipment but I rather think it is simply a lack of tuning experience and knowledge.
If he is using you for his learning experiences he should be paying you or at least do it for nothing and stick with it until he learns how to tune...or wears out your engine trying.
But no way should deliver the bike to you as is.
Bob

I agree but what do you do in this case? Even I'd they agreed to do it free of charge would you feel comfortable letting them run your bike?  My guess is this is the type of shop that is used to basic stage 1 build where a canned MAP gets them by. Just not this time. I've said it before, Wide open throttle is the easiest part to tune, if this is the result of the easiest part I'm really wondering how the rest of the MAP is.

1FSTRK

#35
March 17, 2015, 05:35:55 AM
Quote from: BlueFLHX12 on March 16, 2015, 05:48:36 PM
:oops:
I wasn't done
I will differently keep you in mind do you use the probe sniffer too or do you have a bung you can put in the pipe
Craig

Anyone that would even print that graph would be done working on my bike.
I would be headed to see Harleytuner the minute he could squeeze me in.
Good luck and looking forward to your posting the graph of a well tuned bike.
"Never hang on to a mistake just because you spent time or money making it."

Durwood

#36
March 17, 2015, 05:42:08 AM
Quote from: 1FSTRK on March 17, 2015, 05:35:55 AM
Quote from: BlueFLHX12 on March 16, 2015, 05:48:36 PM
:oops:
I wasn't done
I will differently keep you in mind do you use the probe sniffer too or do you have a bung you can put in the pipe
Craig

Anyone that would even print that graph would be done working on my bike.
I would be headed to see Harleytuner the minute he could squeeze me in.
Good luck and looking forward to your posting the graph of a well tuned bike.
X2  :agree:

redmtrckl

#37
March 17, 2015, 07:31:21 AM
That one is Fugly. Looks like one of the DFW metroplex dealer tunes.
Look forward to seeing what a real tune looks like on your bike.
Yes! I am an Infidel.
And proud of it!

BlueFLHX12

#38
March 17, 2015, 03:06:20 PM
Well I am stuck between a rock and a hard place Harley Already has my money and they want to make it right by tuning it more I hate the Idea of them learning on my bike but its either lose 379.00 bucks and pay again another 300.00 or let them try again ...  :emoGroan:Anyway I agreed to let them work on it more the Service manager said he will help with the tune.
I took some advice by some of you about changing to a X pipe ... Ordered VH Power duels ... never really cared for the looks but a lot of people like them ... I like Fuel moto Jackpot 2 1 2 and Fullsac's  but I don't like the cheap tin heat shields that are on the stock pipes .... I hope these will make more power for another 500 bucks and If they don't get it right this time I will get it tuned again when I have the funds
I thank you all for your in put
Craig

harleytuner

#39
March 17, 2015, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: BlueFLHX12 on March 17, 2015, 03:06:20 PM
Well I am stuck between a rock and a hard place Harley Already has my money and they want to make it right by tuning it more I hate the Idea of them learning on my bike but its either lose 379.00 bucks and pay again another 300.00 or let them try again ...  :emoGroan:Anyway I agreed to let them work on it more the Service manager said he will help with the tune.
I took some advice by some of you about changing to a X pipe ... Ordered VH Power duels ... never really cared for the looks but a lot of people like them ... I like Fuel moto Jackpot 2 1 2 and Fullsac's  but I don't like the cheap tin heat shields that are on the stock pipes .... I hope these will make more power for another 500 bucks and If they don't get it right this time I will get it tuned again when I have the funds
I thank you all for your in put
Craig

If you want to, run it down after they get done and we can check airfuel on my dyno.  Just give me a little heads up first do I don't have a bike on it. I'll check it for nothing. I just don't want to see anybody get screwed. Good luck.

BlueFLHX12

#40
March 17, 2015, 03:39:10 PM
Thanks Chad I appreciate that and I will do that ... I really think it should make more power for what I have in it .. I didn't skip on the parts I even put a little over kill in it like Roller Rockers and Heavy duty rocker supports ... I was afraid that the heads might be to big for the motor but if I ever want to go bigger I have some good stuff to Start
Craig

BlueFLHX12

#41
March 17, 2015, 04:03:52 PM
OK now Im a little nervous about switching  to the power duels Cary Faas Racing recommends dresser Duels with his slipons no X pipe Why?

BlueFLHX12

#42
March 17, 2015, 04:12:15 PM
No I don't believe that there just trying to put another canned map in and hope that works .... but you do have to put some kind of map in to start with or the bike would not run am I right or wrong ?

BlueFLHX12

#43
March 17, 2015, 04:36:14 PM
379.00 is a lot for a bad tune I agree but if they can get it right this time I saved money and they did come pick up my bike and will bring it back ( its about 30 miles one way at no charge ) I told them I had someone else that could tune it and he said they will all tell you that to get you in the door... Like I said before I'm not happy at all over all this BS ...
Everyone will say they can do it .. I'm not saying you can't you should be able to thats what your in Business for and so are they ... I don't know why my motor is so hard to tune ... Hell when my motor was Stock I tuned it myself when I changed air clean and dresser duels with 4 inch Rineharts and it Ran great ... This time I wanted a professionally tuned to get all the benefits of the hi performance build

2006FXDCI

#44
March 17, 2015, 05:06:57 PM
Kudos to Chad for offering to check it for free  :up:  I have never saw a sheet look like that before and the AFR is crazy . Has fuel pressure been checked ? I understand timing can make a  big difference but can it make a motor fall flat on its face like his sheet shows ? It would have to be drastic changes in timing from one cell to the next to do what its doing .
2006 Super glide 107" , 2005 electra glide 124"

harleytuner

#45
March 17, 2015, 05:19:44 PM
If it was fuel pressure it wouldn't pick back up after the dip.  To me is a case of a tune that is in over his head. If he knows anything about what he is doing he wouldn't of released the bike in that state. If it's an issue other than his work he should of stopped his tune and diagnosed the problem. I have no reason to tell anybody what they want to hear to get a job in my shop. I have 8 bikes in right now that are in for tunes.  And for the record when I posted earlier about where the OP lived it was so someone here could possibly point him in the right direction. It's pure coincidence that it's somewhat close to me. Like I said good luck with it. I really don't want to see you spend more money than you should. If I had a job in that I couldn't get right I would refund the money plain and simple. It just sucks the extra wear and tear on your ride. Power duals are far superior to dresser duals

BlueFLHX12

#46
March 17, 2015, 05:21:16 PM
Well I was just read some post on the RoadGlide Forum about CFRs and one Guy quoted what Doc dyno said about tuning a bike with CFRs and he said they are the worst slipons to get a tune and he is supposed to be one of the best he says the tune is got lots of peaks Not smooth at all .. Dunno maybe thats part of my problem .. I know theres more because of the big dip in power

harleytuner

#47
March 17, 2015, 05:35:05 PM
By looking at the sheets the air fuel sheets aren't even the same runs as the hp/trq sheets. First sheet shows runs 1 and 31. Af sheet shows runs 2 and 33 so he's trying to show you the best runs. The next thing is the sheets are printed in STD smoothing which isn't really the industry standard but the most concerning thing is that he named the runs 100 which would lead me to believe that he named his runs for whatever MAP load he's sampling (which is fine) but that also means he put at least 33 100% runs to the rev limiter on a bike that's air fuel is all over the place. Not to mention of he did runs in the other loads.

Mirrmu

#48
March 17, 2015, 07:27:32 PM
If possible i would get to the dealer and check out the dyno graph before they send bike back to you, pop in to them and say hello, see that the lines are reasonably smooth

Ohio HD

#49
March 18, 2015, 02:06:43 AM
As others have stated, anyone that even gave that graph to a customer really does not know what they are doing, and probably doesn't even know that it's that far off. If it were me, I'd go speak with the owner, calmly, and try to either get your money for the tune, or at least a part of it, and run.

After seeing what they gave you to look at, I'm already convinced they will not get you a tune that Chad can get for you. So even if they help the tune, it still won't be as good as it can be. Unfortunately this is one area that many get hosed with. Anything in the world that is custom, always try to get a credible reference or two.
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