Can anyone identify these pipes??

Started by Cabreco, July 24, 2016, 01:45:21 PM

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Cabreco

I bought a 1990 Electra Glide which I absolutely love. (Big difference from my Yamaha Venture Royale) It has straight pipes without any baffles. Although the sound is cool, it is too loud for the stereo & more importantly...the wife!

Since we ride 2 up a lot I wanted to see about getting baffles for the exhaust. Can anyone identify what these pipes are so that I can try to find baffles for them??

Andy
Johnson City Tennessee

HighLiner

Any markings?  A coworker has some like that but I think they are stamped Vance and Hines.

tmwmoose

Probably Kerker's being that old .Kerker / supetrapp is pretty good at helping you identify what ya have to get some baffles

messed up

I agree, had a set of kerkers on 86 electra  glide. Mine had removable end caps and contained I think 2 baffles in each. Been awhile

WhipLash96

Quote from: Cabreco on July 24, 2016, 01:45:21 PM
I bought a 1990 Electra Glide which I absolutely love. (Big difference from my Yamaha Venture Royale) It has straight pipes without any baffles. Although the sound is cool, it is too loud for the stereo & more importantly...the wife!

Since we ride 2 up a lot I wanted to see about getting baffles for the exhaust. Can anyone identify what these pipes are so that I can try to find baffles for them??

If you are talking about the head pipes those are Vance and Hines. The mufflers look like they are Vance and Hines as well with a removal tip.
Thanks,<br />Whip

rigidthumper

Pull the end caps, measure the opening. It looks like Kerker mufflers on stock headpipes, and Rush baffles should fit that opening. When you put it back together, you can aim the end caps down to reduce the sound level a little more. I'd spray/soak the bolts with some kind of release agent (Knock-r-loose, WD40, etc) before attempting to remove them.
Ignorance is bliss, and accuracy expensive. How much of either can you afford?

koko3052


Piston Broke

#7
Probably for the same price as new baffles you'll find a set of OEM stock take offs from any age of new FLH up until the most recent.

They are pretty much worth no money in the market. After I got over acting like a dick to try and impress younger women (it did not work), I bought a set just for such occasions and vehicle tests. To be honest, at normal riding speeds they didn't really make that much different in power output (and these were from the year that used huge catalytic converters in them ... which I would avoid the next time).

Certainly not to the degree of dissatifaction. I was surprised and got to like them for around town.

The slash cut OEM Road King ones look the best, I think. If you're lucky, you might even be able to pick up a set of new take offs for free.

rigidthumper

He would have to modify his head pipes to use newer style mufflers.  Unmolested stock parts are gonna be worth something to someone someday.
Ignorance is bliss, and accuracy expensive. How much of either can you afford?

Piston Broke

Quote from: rigidthumper on July 25, 2016, 05:08:41 AM
He would have to modify his head pipes to use newer style mufflers.  Unmolested stock parts are gonna be worth something to someone someday.

Really? Which years? Not in my case.

Unless you mean the most recent, I think you are not right. I'm guess up to 2007 bolt straight on.

kcbike

Pre
95 mufflers are flange fit not slip on . You would have to change head pipes to use slip ons

Cabreco

Well I can't find any markings on the mufflers to indicate either V&H or Kerker, but they do look like both. The mufflers are 3" diameter. The tips are removable. they have 3 bolts (one at 12 o'clock one at 4 & one at 8 ) I removed the tips & turned them down but if there is an improvement in db it is negligible.

So basically I should be able to use baffles from either brand. I found them for about  $110 each side. Of course the option of finding oem mufflers cheap is appealing.

On another note, the one great thing I found is that I joined 2 forums when I bought this bike not knowing where to turn to, Here & V-twin, I asked the same question on both.
There I have 50+ views & no responses. Here you guys have been overwhelmingly helpful.

I think I have found my home here on Harley Tech Talk brothers  :hug:


Andy
Johnson City Tennessee

Baggerlady

Welcome to HTT! I love the color of your bike! Lots of good advice here. I have Supertrapps on my 97 and love them. Not too loud, but you can hear it. Of course stock pipes are quieter, and like the others have said, you can find stock take offs for next to nothing. I bought a pair for 10.00 at the local dealer. And, since you are new here, if you go to Earl's place, don't let the guys run you off. That is the off topic section here, and it sometimes can get pretty deep! :turd: Most of all enjoy your new bike! :rose:

Cabreco

Ok, I called the local Harley dealer here that confirmed all FLHTC from 1985 to date have interchangeable mufflers.
Found a cheap clean set of '99 mufflers.
Should be here by Friday   :SM:

Thank you al for the Help!
Andy
Johnson City Tennessee

calif phil

Like stated earlier   1995 and up mufflers will not fit.   You will need new head pipes to match the 1999 mufflers or get the hacksaw out and cut your flange off. 


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messed up

Believe the kerkers had name stamped on them

Piston Broke

Quote from: calif phil on July 25, 2016, 04:05:11 PM
Like stated earlier   1995 and up mufflers will not fit.   You will need new head pipes to match the 1999 mufflers or get the hacksaw out and cut your flange off.

Why? Say, a 1996 using p/n: 65621-83     EXHAUST PIPE, RIGHT - FRONT which is a 1983 part, the same as a 1986 Electra Glide uses and everything in between.

TC mufflers will fit right on it on it. I've done it.

rigidthumper

Quote from: Piston Broke on July 25, 2016, 06:38:11 PM
Quote from: calif phil on July 25, 2016, 04:05:11 PM
Like stated earlier   1995 and up mufflers will not fit.   You will need new head pipes to match the 1999 mufflers or get the hacksaw out and cut your flange off.

Why? Say, a 1996 using p/n: 65621-83     EXHAUST PIPE, RIGHT - FRONT which is a 1983 part, the same as a 1986 Electra Glide uses and everything in between.

TC mufflers will fit right on it on it. I've done it.
Yes, the fronts are the same.  He has 65626-85, EXHAUST PIPE, RIGHT REAR- which has a flange, and that prevents 95 and newer mufflers from slipping on. I wouldn't cut on pristine vintage parts, myself. 
Ignorance is bliss, and accuracy expensive. How much of either can you afford?

flhman

As Phil stated, their flanges on the 90 pipes, you have to cut the flanges off to use the new style slip ons, or new head pipes. I've got a 90, he's 100% correct. flhman.

Cabreco

Quote from: flhman on July 26, 2016, 05:10:03 AM
As Phil stated, their flanges on the 90 pipes, you have to cut the flanges off to use the new style slip ons, or new head pipes. I've got a 90, he's 100% correct. flhman.

Would you happen to have a pix of what the flanges look like? I don't seem to see any on my bike. They may have already been cut off.
Are they visible just by looking or only once apart?
These are my current mufflers below

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According to the seller, the overall length of the muffler is 29-1/2" long. the inlet to the rear center of rear mount is 24-1/2". the distance between the mounting bolts is 3-1/2" center to center, which seems to be an exact match to my existing setup.

What do you think?
Andy
Johnson City Tennessee

longshooter

Cabreco,

Yep, you've got the flanged pipe/mufflers. The flange is under the clamp shown in your picture.
Were they not flanged, you would have a flat clamp around the joint.

longshooter
STUPID PEOPLE WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL, THEN BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.

Cabreco

Quote from: longshooter on July 26, 2016, 06:59:50 AM
Cabreco,

Yep, you've got the flanged pipe/mufflers. The flange is under the clamp shown in your picture.
Were they not flanged, you would have a flat clamp around the joint.

longshooter


Lucky me....JOY!   :emoGroan:
I guess the Harley dealer here is useless when it comes to interchange information. They said 85 & up were all the same, I should have looked at the microfiche before buying instead of taking his say so.

Again, looks like you guys were right.  Well looks like I will be doing a bit of cutting on those flanges to get the slip on's to work. Got a set of flat clamps as well.
Andy
Johnson City Tennessee

Piston Broke

Quote from: rigidthumper on July 26, 2016, 05:08:50 AMYes, the fronts are the same.  He has 65626-85, EXHAUST PIPE, RIGHT REAR- which has a flange, and that prevents 95 and newer mufflers from slipping on. I wouldn't cut on pristine vintage parts, myself.
Yah learn something new every day ... mine must have been cut or replaced before I got to it.

There are better clamps out there than the H-D stock ones, like the Pa-Ris ones in you are into that kind of stuff.

Cabreco

Quote from: Piston Broke on July 26, 2016, 09:58:05 AM
Yah learn something new every day ... mine must have been cut or replaced before I got to it.

There are better clamps out there than the H-D stock ones, like the Pa-Ris ones in you are into that kind of stuff.

To me clamps are clamps, as long as they hold the mufflers on without blow by, I'm a happy guy.
Andy
Johnson City Tennessee

Cabreco

Well I decided to do it right & take Rigidthumper's advice & NOT hack my OEM pipe flanges off.
With a little digging I found another set of mufflers this time with the flanges. (returning the '99 slip on) They slipped right on. The sound from them was fine. Still throaty but without the fillings in my teeth rattling out.
Of course my existing mufflers did not have the doughnut gasket between the muffler & pipe so they don't clamp down in front tightly.
Taking a trip to the dealer to pick a pair up (&  while I'm there order a set of spare keys).

Thank you again for all of your comments & help. made this an easy fix~!
Andy
Johnson City Tennessee