HD dealer meeting started today.... any news....?

[hattitude]

Just curious if any news from Day One.......

Granted, if I were there, I'd be out drinking with friends and discussing the news of the day in Boston Pub...

But there's bound to be someone who would rather share the news on HTT........

Anyone?....... Bueller?.....

[joe_lyons]

We will know more tomorrow morn 730 central.

[hattitude]

Thanks Joe....

But I got a partial answer to my questions....

The CARB certifications for the new motors were posted today. Pretty impressive that HD can get CARB to time the cert releases with their dealer meeting....

Anyways, the bikes with the new engines are listed here:

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php

For those who don't want to read the CARB certs;

1746cc Engine- Tri-Glide Ultra, Freewheeler, EG Ultra Limited, EG Ultra Limited Low, EG Ultra Limited Shrine Edition, and Road Glide Ultra

1868cc Engine- CVO Street Glide, and CVO Ultra Limited

[CndUltra88]

It is all in the Flux Capacitors I tell you.....
Thanks for the heads up.
Rob

[Helomech74]

Nothing mentioned about the SG, RG or soft tail bikes that I could see in that link.  Looks like the 107 is only going to be in select bikes, wonder if the other bikes will retain the 103 like the Dynas that were listed.

[rigidthumper]

SG/SGS RG RGS will have oil cooled 107s
No word on Softails yet- maybe something new? Maybe oversight.

[Ohio HD]

Anything certain on the number of valves?

[rigidthumper]

103 dyna/softail and S models (110 dyna/softail) still two valve. 107/114 are 4 valve. Looks to be a single counterbalancer.

[TXChop]

Watching the dealer meeting live on facebook via  HudsonValley harley davidson. They are talking about the CVO/screaming eagle part line up right now.

Lots of marketing talk.

[Soft 02]

Well looks like black is the new chrome. All the black stuff is up on the HD site.


http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/NaturalSearchDisplay?searchTerm=milwaukee+eight&storeId=10152&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&pageSize=45&beginIndex=0&searchSource=Q&sType=SimpleSearch&showResultsPage=true&pageView=image&resultCatEntryType=2

[Soft 02]

103 dyna/softail and S models (110 dyna/softail) still two valve. 107/114 are 4 valve. Looks to be a single counterbalancer.

And 117 for the SE motor.

[hattitude]

I missed one of the new CARB certifications, my bad...

1746cc engine also in- EG Ultra Classic, Police EG, Police Road King, Road Glide, RG Special, Road King, Street Glide, & SG Special

[Jeevz]

New bikes are on h-d.com now.

[Ohio HD]

103 dyna/softail and S models (110 dyna/softail) still two valve. 107/114 are 4 valve. Looks to be a single counterbalancer.

Thanks     

[rigidthumper]

4 1/2" stroker flywheel to get to the 117" displacement. Looks like CVOs get this stroke stock.

[Soft 02]

4 1/2" stroker flywheel to get to the 117" displacement. Looks like CVOs get this stroke stock.

Looks like the CVO's get the 114"er.


http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-street-glide.html

[Jeevz]

Redesigned "thinner" primary.  5 quart oil capacity.

[calif phil]

I wonder if the exhaust dimensions have changed?  Will the older version exhaust bolt up to the new heads?

[Hossamania]

I wonder if the exhaust dimensions have changed?  Will the older version exhaust bolt up to the new heads?

Doesn't matter, you're not allowed to according to EPA.....

[calif phil]

Oh yeah I forgot.  I meant for off road use only.

[PoorUB]

Glad I bought my 2016 Limited. Let someone else be a HD beta tester for the new engine!

[rigidthumper]

Oh yeah I forgot.  I meant for off road use only.

Didn't you hear? EPA says all roads are paved

[Rokinrider]

It's official, on the HD website! time will tell?

[rigidthumper]

Looks like the 107s are 3.938 x 4.375

[Jamie Long]

Delphi injection

[rigidthumper]

And the 114s are 4 x 4.5

[tolobill]

In the parts section they have a new cooling fan.

[mattVA]

And the 114s are 4 x 4.5

So the 107 and 114 have a different stroke, but there's a big bore kit to take the 107 to 114. . .? I'm confused.

[Soft 02]

And the 114s are 4 x 4.5

So the 107 and 114 have a different stroke, but there's a big bore kit to take the 107 to 114. . .? I'm confused.

You can go to 117".

[Soft 02]

Vids are on Fakebook.


https://www.facebook.com/HDofFlorida/videos/10157325623050634/


https://www.facebook.com/mavharley/videos/10157299646070147/

[biggzed]

Baggers Magazine posted the most in-depth look at the new Milwaukee 8 that I have seen.

http://www.baggersmag.com/harley-davidson-milwaukee-eight?src=SOC&dom=fb

Zach

[BVHOG]

Delphi injection

thanks, that is he info I was looking for and potentially good news

[rigidthumper]

good shot of the new motor
[smg id=2841]

[a2wheeler]

Baggers Magazine posted the most in-depth look at the new Milwaukee 8 that I have seen.

http://www.baggersmag.com/harley-davidson-milwaukee-eight?src=SOC&dom=fb

Zach

Good report. Sounds like an interesting engine , compensator and tranny changes.

[rigidthumper]

And a 55mm TB- maybe lots of potential in this one.

[Just Nick]

good shot of the new motor
http://[smg id=2841]

It looks like the cps is on the bottom of the motor now and what is the gear under the oil filter up front

[Soft 02]

$10 the gear up front is a ballencer gear like a tractor motor.

[rigidthumper]

Yep- single counterbalancer to reduce the vibes at idle.

[06roadglide]

looks like lifters bores are machined into case again but I would assume they are splayed now to line up better with push rods?

[rbabos]

Yep- single counterbalancer to reduce the vibes at idle.

That is one big ass weight.
Ron

[Jamie Long]

No more Ion sensing knock control, they now use an actual knock sensor.

[Just Nick]

That's what I was thinking it was.

That exhaust pipe is something else the left cross under pipe actually goes forward before it goes under to the other side how do they expect to make the flow change directions to exit the left side muffler.

And if you look at the cut away of the trans top cover that gear is awfully high up there to be on the main or counter shafts. I am curious as to what has changed on the transmission also.

And if true I am glad it is still Delphi.

[Ohio HD]

All that, but the oil filter is in the same place.....     

[Jamie Long]

And if true I am glad it is still Delphi.

We already have ECM reads, yes this is good news.

[Latrobedyna]

And if true I am glad it is still Delphi.

We already have ECM reads, yes this is good news.

[Just Nick]

And if true I am glad it is still Delphi.

We already have ECM reads, yes this is good news.

Great news

[rigidthumper]

Good shots here: https://www.facebook.com/bertsbarracuda/photos_stream

[koko3052]

All that, but the oil filter is in the same place.....     

THAT is the part we can make mods to!

[BVHOG]

And if true I am glad it is still Delphi.

We already have ECM reads, yes this is good news.

So hopefully dynojet will have some cals soon?

[Just Nick]

I see the gear is a backlash gear in the trans. Thanks to out new section I found out 

[rageglide]

No more lower rocker box gasket to leak or install improperly. 

Looks like they've gone back to base gasket instead of an o-ring on the spigot.

The cut aways of the cylinders shows a huge amount of material on the rear cylinder with very shallow fins.  Maybe this is to reduce radiant heat directly under the rider?

[a2wheeler]

Is this direct injection between those spark plugs.

[rageglide]

Is this direct injection between those spark plugs.

Compression release

[rbabos]

No more lower rocker box gasket to leak or install improperly. 

Looks like they've gone back to base gasket instead of an o-ring on the spigot.

The cut aways of the cylinders shows a huge amount of material on the rear cylinder with very shallow fins.  Maybe this is to reduce radiant heat directly under the rider?

With today's metal viton coated that should be fine. It will force them to have better matching deck surfaces if nothing else.
Ron

[rageglide]

With today's metal viton coated that should be fine. It will force them to have better matching deck surfaces if nothing else.
Ron

Agreed.   The new tech gaskets work very well.

[PoorUB]

Look at the rocker arms, how are they adjusting valve lash, to compensate in stem height differences between the two valves. I would have assumed at least one adjustor screw over one valve, but I don't see any?


http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/sites/motorcyclistonline.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/images/2016/08/milwaukee-eight_rocker_arms.jpg?itok=xSnbO1d3

[VDeuce]

Look at the rocker arms, how are they adjusting valve lash, to compensate in stem height differences between the two valves. I would have assumed at least one adjustor screw over one valve, but I don't see any?


http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/sites/motorcyclistonline.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/images/2016/08/milwaukee-eight_rocker_arms.jpg?itok=xSnbO1d3

Says they are adjusted for life of the motor. Not sure how...

[rigidthumper]

Lifter holds preload, one valve touches, one valve ticks 8^0

[06roadglide]

Look at the rocker arms, how are they adjusting valve lash, to compensate in stem height differences between the two valves. I would have assumed at least one adjustor screw over one valve, but I don't see any?


http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/sites/motorcyclistonline.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/images/2016/08/milwaukee-eight_rocker_arms.jpg?itok=xSnbO1d3

I would only assume a shim cap on the stems. It'd be shotty at best if they relied on stem protrusion to be perfect at all times.

[VDeuce]

I gotta say that I like what I am seeing here. From the looks of it I would guess we won't see nearly as many lifters trashed or cam(s) eaten. I'm guessing they will sell the crap out of these and they won't be able to keep the early ones in stock.

[harleytuner]

3 new ECM and codes

41000326
41000434
41000307

Running data software on this now



[attach=0]

[Ohio HD]

Cycle-Rama posted a dyno sheet for the Milwaukee-Eight. Assuming this is the 107.


http://tinyurl.com/jasjhxe

or

https://www.facebook.com/177477223889/photos/a.10151417948893890.506298.177477223889/10154413037268890/?type=3&theater&notif_t=notify_me_page&notif_id=1471978044538801

[No Cents]

3 new ECM and codes

41000326
41000434
41000307

Running data software on this now



[attach=0]

...and proudly not stamped "made in the USA" on it. 

[Soft 02]

Looks like parent metal tapered rods.


http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/harleys-all-new-milwaukee-eight-big-twin#page-10

[Soft 02]

[a2wheeler]

Front end changes look good. They have video scattered on the website, found this one only on the Road Glide Ultra features.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/content/h-d/en_US/video.600-front-suspension-apr.html

[harleytuner]

Cycle-Rama posted a dyno sheet for the Milwaukee-Eight. Assuming this is the 107.


http://tinyurl.com/jasjhxe

or

https://www.facebook.com/177477223889/photos/a.10151417948893890.506298.177477223889/10154413037268890/?type=3&theater&notif_t=notify_me_page&notif_id=1471978044538801

Speed limiter in 5th gear?  Looks like that run stopped at around 5100 RPM.

[Ohio HD]

Cycle-Rama posted a dyno sheet for the Milwaukee-Eight. Assuming this is the 107.


http://tinyurl.com/jasjhxe

or

https://www.facebook.com/177477223889/photos/a.10151417948893890.506298.177477223889/10154413037268890/?type=3&theater&notif_t=notify_me_page&notif_id=1471978044538801

Speed limiter in 5th gear?  Looks like that run stopped at around 5100 RPM.

     Guess Harley is playing it safe?

[Ohio HD]

I wonder if it's roller bearings at the big end? Would make sense to be babbitt bearings.

[Just Nick]

http://www.stcharlesharleydavidson.com/OEMpartfinder.htm#/Harley-Davidson%c2%ae/FLTRX_1KHC_ROAD_GLIDE_(2017)/CRANKCASE_AND_ENGINE_OIL_FILTER/1KHC%2f%2f2017/FLTRX_1KHC_ROAD_GLIDE_(2017)%2f%2fCRANKCASE_AND_ENGINE


Looks like it is roller bearings same bearing as all 07 up bottom ends

[mattVA]

Cycle-Rama posted a dyno sheet for the Milwaukee-Eight. Assuming this is the 107.


http://tinyurl.com/jasjhxe

or

https://www.facebook.com/177477223889/photos/a.10151417948893890.506298.177477223889/10154413037268890/?type=3&theater&notif_t=notify_me_page&notif_id=1471978044538801

Speed limiter in 5th gear?  Looks like that run stopped at around 5100 RPM.

One of the articles said it's set to limit at 5500rpm.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

[Coyote]

3 new ECM and codes

41000326
41000434
41000307

Running data software on this now



[attach=0]

[Just Nick]

They are still using the -99c lifters with a different anti rotation device according to the parts book

[HV]

SO ...Not sure how many of you have seen a new engine in person yet .....but we opened the new 2017 Street Glide we got in today...had a good look at it....No riding yet but...its with out doubt the worst looking UGLY Rocker Box Ive ever seen...looks like a  Honda Shadow 1100 or a Vulcan POS   

[CowboyTutt]

I'm a little underwhelmed at the overall look of the engine, cases included.  Its very functional looking but even the new Indian engine looks much better to me (we have one at work).  -Tutt

[Ohio HD]

http://www.stcharlesharleydavidson.com/OEMpartfinder.htm#/Harley-Davidson%c2%ae/FLTRX_1KHC_ROAD_GLIDE_(2017)/CRANKCASE_AND_ENGINE_OIL_FILTER/1KHC%2f%2f2017/FLTRX_1KHC_ROAD_GLIDE_(2017)%2f%2fCRANKCASE_AND_ENGINE


Looks like it is roller bearings same bearing as all 07 up bottom ends

I mean on the rod big end. If they're side to side, as it appears in a few pictures, might make sense. 

[rbabos]

http://www.stcharlesharleydavidson.com/OEMpartfinder.htm#/Harley-Davidson%c2%ae/FLTRX_1KHC_ROAD_GLIDE_(2017)/CRANKCASE_AND_ENGINE_OIL_FILTER/1KHC%2f%2f2017/FLTRX_1KHC_ROAD_GLIDE_(2017)%2f%2fCRANKCASE_AND_ENGINE


Looks like it is roller bearings same bearing as all 07 up bottom ends

I mean on the rod big end. If they're side to side, as it appears in a few pictures, might make sense.

Brian, I see no offsets other then the lifter bores due to the long camshaft. Forked rear rod too so it's the same old roller bearing deal. Cyls would need to be inline then.
Ron

[harleytuner]

3 new ECM and codes

41000326
41000434
41000307

Running data software on this now



[attach=0]

[Ohio HD]

http://www.stcharlesharleydavidson.com/OEMpartfinder.htm#/Harley-Davidson%c2%ae/FLTRX_1KHC_ROAD_GLIDE_(2017)/CRANKCASE_AND_ENGINE_OIL_FILTER/1KHC%2f%2f2017/FLTRX_1KHC_ROAD_GLIDE_(2017)%2f%2fCRANKCASE_AND_ENGINE


Looks like it is roller bearings same bearing as all 07 up bottom ends

I mean on the rod big end. If they're side to side, as it appears in a few pictures, might make sense.

Brian, I see no offsets other then the lifter bores due to the long camshaft. Forked rear rod too so it's the same old roller bearing deal. Cyls would need to be inline then.
Ron

It probably is inline Ron. Just looked like offset rods in a couple pics, depending on how I looked at them. Especially after looking at the 2017 parts listing Nick posted, looks like same old crank. I'm amazed they have that up already.

[CowboyTutt]

What was the "street name" for the new engine we came up with here?  It was Rick who came up with it I believe. 

-Tutt 

[Soft 02]

Best pic ive seen of the rods. Primary chain looks funky in this one though.

[Soft 02]

What was the "street name" for the new engine we came up with here?  It was Rick who came up with it I believe. 

-Tutt 

Camel head.....

[harleytuner]

I don't want to point out the obvious, but it is a whole new horn cover....

[rageglide]

What was the "street name" for the new engine we came up with here?  It was Rick who came up with it I believe. 

-Tutt 

Camel head.....

  I was thinking Camel Toe head earlier.

[Soft 02]

I herd something about dealer only fasteners on the intake? Any truth to that?

[Just Nick]

Best pic ive seen of the rods. Primary chain looks funky in this one though.

Primary chain is the same it has a -07 part number

[joe_lyons]

What was the "street name" for the new engine we came up with here?  It was Rick who came up with it I believe. 

-Tutt

The four valve or the M8 sounds easy.

[HV]

Close up of new heads

[attach=0]

[attach=1]

[joe_lyons]

Here comith the recalls. Lol

[Soft 02]

Best pic ive seen of the rods. Primary chain looks funky in this one though.

Primary chain is the same it has a -07 part number

Yup. Just looks like some Link belt conveyor chain in the cartoon pic.

[Ohio HD]

Any know camshaft specs yet? Curious to see the timing and lift numbers.

Also, who will have the first aftermarket performance cams? I say it's S&S.

[boooby1744]

850 rpm at idle......all the lope guys will be buying new blkes.

[Ohio HD]

850 rpm at idle......all the lope guys will be buying new blkes.

       

[Xyzzy]

Dunno if this is useful or not, but here are links to some manuals:

Touring: https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/content/document/view?id=49755&groupId=16

Infotainment: https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/content/document/view?id=51131&groupId=16

[HV]

114 Stage 111 Kit


Includes 4.075" Bolt-On Cylinders, Forged 11:1 High Compression Pistons, High performance Piston Rings and Tappets, SE8-498 Cam, Performance Valve Springs, Multi-layer coated Head Gaskets, Cylinder Base & Cam Cover Gaskets, High-Capacity Clutch Spring

[Just Nick]

Close up of new heads [attach=0] [attach=1]

In the second picture is that the knock sensor in the head ?

[Ohio HD]

Dunno if this is useful or not, but here are links to some manuals:

Touring: https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/content/document/view?id=49755&groupId=16

Infotainment: https://serviceinfo.harley-davidson.com/sip/content/document/view?id=51131&groupId=16

I did see initial oil fill at 4.5 qts, that's an improvement.

[86fxwg]

Close up of new heads [attach=0] [attach=1]

With that pic I see valve problems/noise in 20000 miles or less.


86

[IronMike113]

Someone will need to modify those rocker arms with some adjustable Valve set screw's

[biggzed]

That second spark plug looks to be in a tight spot. Tank removal required at a minimum?

Zach

[Soft 02]

Maybe they need to go back to split tanks....

[Ohio HD]

Maybe they need to go back to split tanks....

              

[Coyote]

That second spark plug looks to be in a tight spot. Tank removal required at a minimum?

Zach

Considering how easy it is to RandR the tank, does it really matter?

[Rockout Rocker Products]

Anyone hear one in person yet?

[Lucky Pete]

Any news on when we'll see the new motor in the Dynas and Softails?

Any news from the dealer show on a new sporty?

Not quite old enough to ride a bagger - yet lol

[HV]

We have one on the floor...Ill see if I can take a plug out tomorrow...and may even fire it up...if I do Ill record it

[rageglide]

I shared a paragraph from a magazine site earlier, even stated the location, but I guess a Mod deleted the entire post... 

The link confirmed traditional Fork and Blade rods, new crank with more meat on the perimeter and same weight as 103" crank.  Heavier duty rods using Roller Bearings...

Mods, Is this link ok?
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/harleys-all-new-milwaukee-eight-big-twin#page-7

[harleytuner]

New engine sounds smooth, feels smooth.  Has a gear sound whine, not sure from where but sounds  like it's from the transmission.

The rev limiter is where it's interesting, it's stage in time.  If you sit at the rev limit (5900) for a few seconds it will drop the limit to 5450.

The stock calibrations we are pulling from the ECM are torque managed (like automotive) not VE like we are used to seeing.  The cals that are being offered in the SEPST update are still VE, so there is a way to switch it from running from the torque managed tables to VE tables

Edit* the ignition tables are now 3d like the VE tables instead of 2D like they used to be

[Coyote]

I shared a paragraph from a magazine site earlier, even stated the location, but I guess a Mod deleted the entire post... 

The link confirmed traditional Fork and Blade rods, new crank with more meat on the perimeter and same weight as 103" crank.  Heavier duty rods using Roller Bearings...

Mods, Is this link ok?
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/harleys-all-new-milwaukee-eight-big-twin#page-7

Links are always OK. Cut and pasting others material here is not.  Thanks. 

[rageglide]

Links are always OK. Cut and pasting others material here is not.  Thanks. 

Gotcha, sorry about that... thought the reference and "s was sufficient.

[mike jesse]

Looking at the pushrod covers here, and they look to be more vertical than the TC in my eye.

I wonder how much the aftermarket will be charging for just the one camshaft? Hopefully LESS than the TC's.
Edit that, twice as many lobes.

I also see the wheels are not fully machined.

[CowboyTutt]

Has a gear sound whine, not sure from where but sounds  like it's from the transmission.

I'm betting that is from the straight cut gears running off the crank to the heavy balancer shaft.  I was wondering if that might be very noisy.  I'm not surprised it is. 

-Tutt 

[harleytuner]

Has a gear sound whine, not sure from where but sounds  like it's from the transmission.

I'm betting that is from the straight cut gears running off the crank to the heavy balancer shaft.  I was wondering if that might be very noisy.  I'm not surprised it is. 

-Tutt

Could be.  There's already been some dealer complaints that I've heard of, the answer was "it's normal,  that's how they sound" lol. 

[fbn ent]

What was the "street name" for the new engine we came up with here?  It was Rick who came up with it I believe. 

-Tutt

The four valve or the M8 sounds easy.

I kinda like SixShooter14's "Fourhead"....

[rageglide]

I like Fourhead too. 

Or Forehead 

[Just Nick]

Knothead

[biggzed]

That second spark plug looks to be in a tight spot. Tank removal required at a minimum?

Zach

Considering how easy it is to RandR the tank, does it really matter?

I keep forgetting they made tank removal easy on the 08 up models. I'm still on an 07.

Zach

[Ohio HD]

I like Fourhead too. 

Or Forehead 

Hump Head   

[rageglide]

Hump Head   

Lump Head

[Ohio HD]

Hump Head   

Lump Head

I like Lump Head

[a2wheeler]

For the extra spark plug - Hole in Head

[PoorUB]

That second spark plug looks to be in a tight spot. Tank removal required at a minimum?

Zach

Considering how easy it is to RandR the tank, does it really matter?

Considering most riders will never need to change spark plugs I don't see an issue.

In my 2010 I ran the same spark plugs to 40,000 miles. I looked at them at 30,000 miles and could not see any wear on them so they went back in. At 40,000 you could see the electrodes were wearing so 30,000 seems like a good number to swap them out.

[Hossamania]

Another vote for "Fourhead".

[Rockout Rocker Products]

I think it'll end up just being "the 4 valve"

'Hello, I need rocker cover gaskets for a 4 valve"

[-deuced-]

Fork Head

I like Camel Head, it's got two humps.

[FSG]

That second spark plug looks to be in a tight spot. Tank removal required at a minimum?

Zach

Tank removal required     yeppers along with a special tool to remove the sparkplug boot

[FSG]

They are still using the -99c lifters with a different anti rotation device according to the parts book

the lifter guides are the anti rotation device

they are directional and marked Front and Rear

the lifters are installed with the oil holes facing IN to align with the new oil gallery location

oil holes facing IN   toward the cam, not toward the engine

[Ohio HD]

I guess that means good bye to oversized lifters? And repairing those bored will be difficult at best.


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[HV]

Looks close to the same deal the newer sportys have been using for the last few years

[FSG]

Looks close to the same deal the newer sportys have been using for the last few years

  similar, since 2006

[Soft 02]

Any word if they made improvements to the main drive gear bearing?

[pendo31]

It appears they have a new lifter with the oil holes moved 90* compared to the twin cam lifters.

[HV]

Just started one


! No longer available

[Just Nick]

Any word on if there are any changes to the dynas and softtails ?

[Rockout Rocker Products]

Just started one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR3KHSVSYFc

What's it gonna take to fix that?   

[FLHRI_2004]

Just started one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR3KHSVSYFc

With my computer speakers (headphones) is sounds like my 2014 103.

[rbabos]

Just started one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR3KHSVSYFc

What's it gonna take to fix that?   

Can you elaborate more. Hard to tell with audio files other then I can maybe hear a more gearish sound in it. If so, you are stuck with it.
Ron

[BUBBIE]

 
Just started one

Sounds like it could use More fuel on the REV... Motor seems sluggish on rev?... Probably just Not warmed yet? Not bitch'n just a thought here...

Exhaust note is pretty Deep n Full for off the floor to the customer tho... They should be happy with that Sound...

signed....BUBBIE

[rbabos]

Just started one

Sounds like it could use More fuel on the REV... Motor seems sluggish on rev?... Probably just Not warmed yet? Not bitch'n just a thought here...

Exhaust note is pretty Deep n Full for off the floor to the customer tho... They should be happy with that Sound...

signed....BUBBIE

If you are a blipper the CB will make it seem slightly more sluggish then a no CB engine. A good tune should recover most of it.
Ron

[BUBBIE]

You got it Ron...

Never gave thought about the extra torque/weight to rev with that CB use...

signed....BUBBIE

[Prostock]

Will be interesting to see how many different specialty tools needed

[SixShooter14]

Seems to be a good bit of "whine" when revved, is that present in newer TCs as well? Overall, it sounds ok to me. Kinda hard to tell with a camera and mic.

[PoorUB]

The cam and primary chains both whine until the engine gets a few miles on it and parts wear into each other. Over time things quiet down a bit.

[Rockout Rocker Products]

Just started one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR3KHSVSYFc

What's it gonna take to fix that?   

Can you elaborate more. Hard to tell with audio files other then I can maybe hear a more gearish sound in it. If so, you are stuck with it.
Ron

I know it's hard to tell from a sound clip, but it sounds awful smooth at idle.

[FSG]

It appears they have a new lifter with the oil holes moved 90* compared to the twin cam lifters.

No need, the crappy C Lifter already has the oil holes inline with the roller

[HarleyFranco]

How about "Twin Spark" for a name?

[rbabos]

Just started one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR3KHSVSYFc

What's it gonna take to fix that?   

Can you elaborate more. Hard to tell with audio files other then I can maybe hear a more gearish sound in it. If so, you are stuck with it.
Ron

I know it's hard to tell from a sound clip, but it sounds awful smooth at idle.

That I noticed. Makes for a quiet comp if nothing else.
Ron

[HV]

Ride impressions.  Smooth. Less mechanical noise then a twin cam. Under accell has about the same sound and EX note as a new twin cam  ride is better then non air  does not sound or feel like any. Metric I've ridden ....... has a whine hot like a. Gear whine. Not as bad as an old EVO       Power was close to a 103...a bit more lower end TQ ...no noticeable lag or Bog once warmed up......sure needs a tuner though...but then again it only had 6 KM on it

[BVHOG]

They are still using the -99c lifters with a different anti rotation device according to the parts book

the lifter guides are the anti rotation device

they are directional and marked Front and Rear

the lifters are installed with the oil holes facing IN to align with the new oil gallery location

oil holes facing IN   toward the cam, not toward the engine

Interesting, do you know if the oil galley is enlarged enough to feed a Delphi style lifter with the offset holes?

[misfitJason]

So hot hot does it run at operating temp.  Twincam hot or evo hot

[HV]

Operating temp is 210 F   ...... didnt feel as much heat off the engine sitting on it though

[FSG]

Interesting, do you know if the oil galley is enlarged enough to feed a Delphi style lifter with the offset holes?

I don't at this time.