New tuners

[rigidthumper]

Look a LOT like the old tuners- I updated both SEST and SEPST programs, and the street tuner has the same limits as the old street tuner, and the new SE Pro tuner works/looks just like the emissions defeat device that they paid millions in fines for?  Maybe it's non-North America only? 

[BVHOG]

Look a LOT like the old tuners- I updated both SEST and SEPST programs, and the street tuner has the same limits as the old street tuner, and the new SE Pro tuner works/looks just like the emissions defeat device that they paid millions in fines for?  Maybe it's non-North America only? 

Wondering the same thing myself, there are cals for the new Mil 8 touring bikes in the latest software update.

[harleytuner]

Look a LOT like the old tuners- I updated both SEST and SEPST programs, and the street tuner has the same limits as the old street tuner, and the new SE Pro tuner works/looks just like the emissions defeat device that they paid millions in fines for?  Maybe it's non-North America only? 

Wondering the same thing myself, there are cals for the new Mil 8 touring bikes in the latest software update.

I haven't done the upgrade yet, (need to do it on a lap top that I don't use with the dyno) but I was told that there are calibrations for the Mil 8 on them. 

[rigidthumper]

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[rigidthumper]

It will allow loading/editing of all the old cals, too. Don't know what flashing capability is yet.

[KE5RBD]

I have the new Pro Street Tuner software installed.  It uninstalled the old street tuner software.  It does use the same LT0 extension.  Looked at some of the tunes and the adjust ability  is basically the same as the Street tuner was. You can only adjust the VE's, Spark advance, Throttle Progressivity, and Spark to temp table. 
My Pro Super Tuner software updated tonight and it has the Milwaukee 8 tunes in it also.  Looked at some of them and they can all be adjusted just like the original Pro Super Tuner does.  Bet that won't last long.  They are all 723 strategy which is new.

[Herko]

Look a LOT like the old tuners- I updated both SEST and SEPST programs, and the street tuner has the same limits as the old street tuner, and the new SE Pro tuner works/looks just like the emissions defeat device that they paid millions in fines for?  Maybe it's non-North America only? 

Robin,

Curious, in the 723 cals, are there any tables for control/set points for the dual pattern injectors.
If so, maybe a screen shot or two?
IMO these injectors show promise that we did not have before for improvement in a few areas.

Thanks,
John

[rigidthumper]

No direct injector manipulation table that I see. 

[Herko]

No direct injector manipulation table that I see.

OK, Thanks.

[ferrari99]

Updated my SEST and now VCI not recognized. Tried several times and even downloaded on another laptop, same result. Then updated SE pro tuner and VCI now recognized it and connects to ECM and I downloaded race CAL. with my SEST.  VCI still wont connect with SEST software !!!! Someone screwed up or did i find a bug???

[remington007]

I upgraded to the newest version ,10 from 9. All of my VCI downloads, Smart tune files were removed. Also i keep all my tune files separate from the Big Twin file, they were lost too. Good thing i keep my files backed up. Heads up before you update.

[harleytuner]

I noticed the AFR tables top out at 5K

[Herko]

Delete--

[98fxstc]

I upgraded to the newest version ,10 from 9. All of my VCI downloads, Smart tune files were removed. Also i keep all my tune files separate from the Big Twin file, they were lost too. Good thing i keep my files backed up. Heads up before you update.

Probably a good idea to have the software installed on two different PC's
There may be a few nasty surprises down the track
I tried to keep two versions going on the same PC , didn't work (File sharing conflict ?)

[BVHOG]

I noticed the AFR tables top out at 5K

Noticed that too yet the ve goes to 6500 and the spark tables to 8 grand.

[HV]

They say the newer Tuners will be completely different then either the Super tuner or Street Tuner....I Know the Street Tuner installed a Speed limit of 170 KMPH

[rigidthumper]

The stage downloads were always speed limited to 110 MPH.

[KE5RBD]

I have the new Pro street tuner software installed and the maps for the 17's are in there.  They are identical to the old Street tuner maps and even have the same extension LT0.  I opened some old street tuner tunes with it.  Don't know if you can install any of them.  I also have never seen a MPH limit on a SE tuner.  Lot of them with canned maps won't go over 90 MPH unless you fix the timing and VE tables then it will. Don't go over 22 degrees in the WOT area above 3500 rpms and make sure it has plenty of fuel in the VE's 105 to 125 depending on the build will get you there.  The PV can limit the top speed in each gear, but same tables don't show up in SE software.

[HV]

From Fuel Moto FB Page ...its built in to the Cals....no option to change it ( Yet ) [attach=0]

[harleytuner]

From Fuel Moto FB Page ...its built in to the Cals....no option to change it ( Yet ) [attach=0]

Steve Cole already removed the speed limiter with TTS.  He's writing calibrations  already.

[Durwood]

I'm betting that Dynojet and Fuel moto already have calibrations ready to go as well..

[hattitude]

I'm betting that Dynojet and Fuel moto already have calibrations ready to go as well..

Jaime (FuelMoto) started a thread on another forum. They have a 2017, have been able to read & write to the ECM w/ PowerVision, did baseline dyno runs, and are now working on tuning strategies.... He seemed impressed with both the engine as is.... and the potential..

[ultraswede]

Steve at TTS has posted log files from M8 testing on another forum.
TTS also seems hard at work on the M8.

[HV]

Ill wait for the PV Thank You 

[harleytuner]

Ill wait for the PV Thank You 

So you bought a '17?  How do you like it?

[lonewolf]

Ill wait for the PV Thank You 

Why?

[Durwood]

If one of these bikes rolled in tomorrow morning, it would get tuned with a PV.

[rigidthumper]

I saw that TTS had some 2017 maps out already, didn't see any PV maps yet. You have an inside hook up, Darren?

[Durwood]

I saw that TTS had some 2017 maps out already, didn't see any PV maps yet. You have an inside hook up, Darren?

I rarely use a prefab start of tune map, we build most of them from a given stock calibration, provided it's a desirable strategy.

[rigidthumper]

Didn't realise PV had updated to access the 17 touring ECMs yet. Didn't see anything on the website.

[Jamie Long]

Didn't realise PV had updated to access the 17 touring ECMs yet. Didn't see anything on the website.

We were already reading/writing with Power Vision last week, both FM and Dynojet are now in the process of getting base calibrations developed & sorted. When things are ready there will be a public release which shouldnt be long. The 17's will use the current PV-2 and there will be a new firmware & tune database update 

[BVHOG]

So does anyone know if the 17 bikes can be tuned with a  Super tuner with the updated super tuner software?

[KE5RBD]

So does anyone know if the 17 bikes can be tuned with a  Super tuner with the updated super tuner software?

The software has the new 17 maps in it for the Super Tuner.  Problem is unless you already have a SEPST you will likely have trouble finding one.  Our local dealership has pulled them from the shelves and are sending back for credit.  I understand all dealerships are required to not sell them anymore.  They do have a new tuner called Pro street tuner which uses the same tunes as the old street tuner LT0 extension.  It also uninstalls the old street tuner software when you install the Pro Street software.  Little advise on both SEPST and Pro Street tuner, store the files you use in different folder than the software uses for default.  It can and has happened it will delete your created/modified tunes when it updates. 

[Jamie Long]

For those interested:

The images below represent the logged AF histogram (Dynojet wideband) vs the desired AF table in the stock tune from the 2017 Milwaukee Eight 107. The engine runs very close to the targets, but its setup way rich at higher load; running in the 11.8 AFR range 

histogram from log data using Dynojet wideband


AF table in stock tune

[BVHOG]

For those interested:

The images below represent the logged AF histogram (Dynojet wideband) vs the desired AF table in the stock tune from the 2017 Milwaukee Eight 107. The engine runs very close to the targets, but its setup way rich at higher load; running in the 11.8 AFR range 

histogram from log data using Dynojet wideband


AF table in stock tune

Great info, damn lean though, and then so rich at wot, not sure about that sort of strategy

[Jamie Long]

Great info, damn lean though, and then so rich at wot, not sure about that sort of strategy

Typical of OE automotive calibrations

[rigidthumper]

Is this the factory 02s keeping it this close or the results of tuning?

[joe_lyons]

I believe in stock form.

[BUBBIE]

Guessing on My Part..... (feel from here) 

All the 14's could read 14.1 at the most using closed loop... (at least in the first 60 kpa) Then more fuel above that...

signed....BUBBIE

[BVHOG]

Worked with a local dealership most of the day Saturday after they had tried to setup a new bike with the Street tuner with very poor results. We then used a beta version of the Power Vision that worked flawlessly to tune the bike.  Very impressed with what they accomplished in a short time. I won't get into specifics but I will say there is a ton to be gained with tuning.   Also figured out that the DTT Twinscan3 reads perfectly as well, the only function I am not 100% on is if the knock still reads the same channel but if I were a gambling man I would say it does.

[rigidthumper]

   Good to hear. Were they using the SE AC & slip-ons or some free breathing mufflers?

[04efidynasuperglide]

BV...  I just got a 17 RGS, It came with stage one, SE Cannons and new heavy breather.. seems to run good

would I be able to have someone go over the tune and make better??  I have the tuner that's married to the bike?

sgs

[rigidthumper]

BV...  I just got a 17 RGS, It came with stage one, SE Cannons and new heavy breather.. seems to run good

would I be able to have someone go over the tune and make better??  I have the tuner that's married to the bike?

sgs

I believe you have the tuner that keeps you in warranty.

[04efidynasuperglide]

its part #  41000008B   Street performance tuner  DATED 6/29/16

can I buy the cable and look at tune and make changes? I would need to learn more of course.

sgs

[happyman]

Read someplace where the new  SE street tuner could be used to adjust timing  and other parts of tune . Then I read where the some of the tune could not be adjusted and one of them was the  butterfly opening, or at what rate.  Two different description of what can or cannot be done using the  SE Street tuner.  both were on  Harley  official sites, but a couple weeks apart. the idea of not being able to adjust timing is not a  good deal but the VE's  could also be changed. .  curious  what can actually be adjusted. do not sound like a tuner that lets a tuner actually do a real good tune?     

[Jamie Long]

Read someplace where the new  SE street tuner could be used to adjust timing  and other parts of tune . Then I read where the some of the tune could not be adjusted and one of them was the  butterfly opening, or at what rate.  Two different description of what can or cannot be done using the  SE Street tuner.  both were on  Harley  official sites, but a couple weeks apart. the idea of not being able to adjust timing is not a  good deal but the VE's  could also be changed. .  curious  what can actually be adjusted. do not sound like a tuner that lets a tuner actually do a real good tune?     

The Pro Street Tuner allows the following:

VE adjustment +/- 5% in the cruise range, +/- 15% higher loads
Spark adjustment +/- 3 degrees cruise range, +/- 6 degrees higher loads
Throttle Progressitivity - full range
No adjustments to the AF table, Idle RPM, Acc Enrichement/Decel enleanement, or to constants such as CI, Injector Size, etc... not to mention any of the other tuning tables. 

[happyman]

Read someplace where the new  SE street tuner could be used to adjust timing  and other parts of tune . Then I read where the some of the tune could not be adjusted and one of them was the  butterfly opening, or at what rate.  Two different description of what can or cannot be done using the  SE Street tuner.  both were on  Harley  official sites, but a couple weeks apart. the idea of not being able to adjust timing is not a  good deal but the VE's  could also be changed. .  curious  what can actually be adjusted. do not sound like a tuner that lets a tuner actually do a real good tune?     

The Pro Street Tuner allows the following:

VE adjustment +/- 5% in the cruise range, +/- 15% higher loads
Spark adjustment +/- 3 degrees cruise range, +/- 6 degrees higher loads
Throttle Progressitivity - full range
No adjustments to the AF table, Idle RPM, Acc Enrichement/Decel enleanement, or to constants such as CI, Injector Size, etc... not to mention any of the other tuning tables.

Thank you.  I can only imagine how the afr will look with all the limitations there are. 

[04efidynasuperglide]

I'm going thru the training for the street tuner and looks like doing the smart tune and then ride it and analyze and make limited adjustments is about it ??

wonder how many times the dealer did the smart tune procedure? 

how many times will the smart tune procedure need to be done to get best result?

I have 150 miles on it now, when should I recheck the tune?

sgs

[BVHOG]

  Good to hear. Were they using the SE AC & slip-ons or some free breathing mufflers?

Heavy breather type a/c and street cannons

[BVHOG]

BV...  I just got a 17 RGS, It came with stage one, SE Cannons and new heavy breather.. seems to run good

would I be able to have someone go over the tune and make better??  I have the tuner that's married to the bike?

sgs

Same setup we did on Saturday, and yes gains to be made for sure.

[Jamie Long]

Production release for 2017 M8 Power Vision is Monday 9/26

http://blogs.dynojet.com/index.php/2016/09/weve-been-tuning-2017-h-ds-have-you/

[harleytuner]

For those using TTS these are the calibrations that they have available in the new release they put out today.

M8 water cooled 107:
Stage I
Stage II W/ the SE8-447 cam, A/C, Slip ons
Stage II W/ the SE8-462 cam, A/C, Slip ons
Stage - stock improved

M8 water cooled 114:
CVO - stock improved
Stage II W/ the SE8-498 cam

M8 oil cooled 107:
Stock improved
Stage I
Stage II W/ the SE8-447 cam, A/C, Slip ons
Stage II W/ the SE8-462 cam, A/C, Slip ons

M8 oil cooled 114
Stage III kit W/ SE8-498, A/C, Slip ons

[Rokinrider]

Thank you Jamie and Power vision in advance. I'm really liking my 17 RG and my buddy wanted to buy my PV because I wouldn't be able to use it any more, HA. I have all winter to anticipate what you horsepower surgeons will extract from this great new platform. Santa I want a pipe and AC from Fuel Moto, I already have a PV waiting for Fun stuff.