New tuners

[lonewolf]

Ill wait for the PV Thank You 

Why?

[Durwood]

If one of these bikes rolled in tomorrow morning, it would get tuned with a PV.

[rigidthumper]

I saw that TTS had some 2017 maps out already, didn't see any PV maps yet. You have an inside hook up, Darren?

[Durwood]

I saw that TTS had some 2017 maps out already, didn't see any PV maps yet. You have an inside hook up, Darren?

I rarely use a prefab start of tune map, we build most of them from a given stock calibration, provided it's a desirable strategy.

[rigidthumper]

Didn't realise PV had updated to access the 17 touring ECMs yet. Didn't see anything on the website.

[Jamie Long]

Didn't realise PV had updated to access the 17 touring ECMs yet. Didn't see anything on the website.

We were already reading/writing with Power Vision last week, both FM and Dynojet are now in the process of getting base calibrations developed & sorted. When things are ready there will be a public release which shouldnt be long. The 17's will use the current PV-2 and there will be a new firmware & tune database update 

[BVHOG]

So does anyone know if the 17 bikes can be tuned with a  Super tuner with the updated super tuner software?

[KE5RBD]

So does anyone know if the 17 bikes can be tuned with a  Super tuner with the updated super tuner software?

The software has the new 17 maps in it for the Super Tuner.  Problem is unless you already have a SEPST you will likely have trouble finding one.  Our local dealership has pulled them from the shelves and are sending back for credit.  I understand all dealerships are required to not sell them anymore.  They do have a new tuner called Pro street tuner which uses the same tunes as the old street tuner LT0 extension.  It also uninstalls the old street tuner software when you install the Pro Street software.  Little advise on both SEPST and Pro Street tuner, store the files you use in different folder than the software uses for default.  It can and has happened it will delete your created/modified tunes when it updates. 

[Jamie Long]

For those interested:

The images below represent the logged AF histogram (Dynojet wideband) vs the desired AF table in the stock tune from the 2017 Milwaukee Eight 107. The engine runs very close to the targets, but its setup way rich at higher load; running in the 11.8 AFR range 

histogram from log data using Dynojet wideband


AF table in stock tune

[BVHOG]

For those interested:

The images below represent the logged AF histogram (Dynojet wideband) vs the desired AF table in the stock tune from the 2017 Milwaukee Eight 107. The engine runs very close to the targets, but its setup way rich at higher load; running in the 11.8 AFR range 

histogram from log data using Dynojet wideband


AF table in stock tune

Great info, damn lean though, and then so rich at wot, not sure about that sort of strategy

[Jamie Long]

Great info, damn lean though, and then so rich at wot, not sure about that sort of strategy

Typical of OE automotive calibrations

[rigidthumper]

Is this the factory 02s keeping it this close or the results of tuning?

[joe_lyons]

I believe in stock form.

[BUBBIE]

Guessing on My Part..... (feel from here) 

All the 14's could read 14.1 at the most using closed loop... (at least in the first 60 kpa) Then more fuel above that...

signed....BUBBIE

[BVHOG]

Worked with a local dealership most of the day Saturday after they had tried to setup a new bike with the Street tuner with very poor results. We then used a beta version of the Power Vision that worked flawlessly to tune the bike.  Very impressed with what they accomplished in a short time. I won't get into specifics but I will say there is a ton to be gained with tuning.   Also figured out that the DTT Twinscan3 reads perfectly as well, the only function I am not 100% on is if the knock still reads the same channel but if I were a gambling man I would say it does.

[rigidthumper]

   Good to hear. Were they using the SE AC & slip-ons or some free breathing mufflers?

[04efidynasuperglide]

BV...  I just got a 17 RGS, It came with stage one, SE Cannons and new heavy breather.. seems to run good

would I be able to have someone go over the tune and make better??  I have the tuner that's married to the bike?

sgs

[rigidthumper]

BV...  I just got a 17 RGS, It came with stage one, SE Cannons and new heavy breather.. seems to run good

would I be able to have someone go over the tune and make better??  I have the tuner that's married to the bike?

sgs

I believe you have the tuner that keeps you in warranty.

[04efidynasuperglide]

its part #  41000008B   Street performance tuner  DATED 6/29/16

can I buy the cable and look at tune and make changes? I would need to learn more of course.

sgs

[happyman]

Read someplace where the new  SE street tuner could be used to adjust timing  and other parts of tune . Then I read where the some of the tune could not be adjusted and one of them was the  butterfly opening, or at what rate.  Two different description of what can or cannot be done using the  SE Street tuner.  both were on  Harley  official sites, but a couple weeks apart. the idea of not being able to adjust timing is not a  good deal but the VE's  could also be changed. .  curious  what can actually be adjusted. do not sound like a tuner that lets a tuner actually do a real good tune?     

[Jamie Long]

Read someplace where the new  SE street tuner could be used to adjust timing  and other parts of tune . Then I read where the some of the tune could not be adjusted and one of them was the  butterfly opening, or at what rate.  Two different description of what can or cannot be done using the  SE Street tuner.  both were on  Harley  official sites, but a couple weeks apart. the idea of not being able to adjust timing is not a  good deal but the VE's  could also be changed. .  curious  what can actually be adjusted. do not sound like a tuner that lets a tuner actually do a real good tune?     

The Pro Street Tuner allows the following:

VE adjustment +/- 5% in the cruise range, +/- 15% higher loads
Spark adjustment +/- 3 degrees cruise range, +/- 6 degrees higher loads
Throttle Progressitivity - full range
No adjustments to the AF table, Idle RPM, Acc Enrichement/Decel enleanement, or to constants such as CI, Injector Size, etc... not to mention any of the other tuning tables. 

[happyman]

Read someplace where the new  SE street tuner could be used to adjust timing  and other parts of tune . Then I read where the some of the tune could not be adjusted and one of them was the  butterfly opening, or at what rate.  Two different description of what can or cannot be done using the  SE Street tuner.  both were on  Harley  official sites, but a couple weeks apart. the idea of not being able to adjust timing is not a  good deal but the VE's  could also be changed. .  curious  what can actually be adjusted. do not sound like a tuner that lets a tuner actually do a real good tune?     

The Pro Street Tuner allows the following:

VE adjustment +/- 5% in the cruise range, +/- 15% higher loads
Spark adjustment +/- 3 degrees cruise range, +/- 6 degrees higher loads
Throttle Progressitivity - full range
No adjustments to the AF table, Idle RPM, Acc Enrichement/Decel enleanement, or to constants such as CI, Injector Size, etc... not to mention any of the other tuning tables.

Thank you.  I can only imagine how the afr will look with all the limitations there are. 

[04efidynasuperglide]

I'm going thru the training for the street tuner and looks like doing the smart tune and then ride it and analyze and make limited adjustments is about it ??

wonder how many times the dealer did the smart tune procedure? 

how many times will the smart tune procedure need to be done to get best result?

I have 150 miles on it now, when should I recheck the tune?

sgs

[BVHOG]

  Good to hear. Were they using the SE AC & slip-ons or some free breathing mufflers?

Heavy breather type a/c and street cannons

[BVHOG]

BV...  I just got a 17 RGS, It came with stage one, SE Cannons and new heavy breather.. seems to run good

would I be able to have someone go over the tune and make better??  I have the tuner that's married to the bike?

sgs

Same setup we did on Saturday, and yes gains to be made for sure.