M8 trans fluid leaking in primary

[HogMike]

Couple of meanings
I'm used to "Scientific Wild Ass Guess"
Used when we had to talk to the engineers on the job!
LOL

[HogMike]

Latest update:
After about 1000 miles after the factory authorized "fix" for my oil transfer issue there is now oil on my dipstick (as per the check in the owners manual).
There is still no official word as to WHY the vacuum is happening in the first place. MOCO is still "working" on the issue I'm told.
MSur:. No oil visible on the vent tube, or adjacent areas. I'm still thinking of cutting the tube short and installing my little filter, but have to wait (warranty).

I now have my Fullsac exhaust system installed along with the new dyno map (thanks, Steve for the tune)
With the new parts and tune the bike now runs without the hesitation off idle and pulls strong uphill, BSR, headwind, 5000 ft. Etc.
I'm told the cam in the 117 is the 25400199 (torque) in the stage 2 kit. Don't know for sure but it pulls pretty good with the stock engine.
Going to bike week this week, we'll see how the long ride goes.

[HogMike]

One of our riders at breakfast yesterday asked me about my oil transfer issue
I gave him the condensed version and he told me he just had the 1000 mile dealer oil change and his bike was fine.
I asked him "how long ago"? He said about 500 miles ago, after we ate he wanted to check and he pulls the dipstick. No oil showing. Stuck a pencil in the hole and found some oil!
He's planning to go to the dealership today, LOL

[hd06]

  Dealers don't check oil levels they drain and replace.

[Maddo Snr]

  Dealers don't check oil levels they drain and replace.

Exactly right. This is why they can honestly say "We've never seen it", because they don't look...

Most dealers also use Formula+ in both holes making it impossible to spot until it's too late.

[Pete_Vit]

  Dealers don't check oil levels they drain and replace.

and sometime they don't even do that...ask me how I know 

[RLS]

Been following this transfer issue on another forum, but recently rejoined this one.  Anyway, from what I gathered from this thread is that venting the primary eliminates the transfer.  With that said then something is causing a vaccum to form in the primary.  It would seem that as the motor warmed up the pressure would increase.  What am I missing here?

[IronButt70]

Been following this transfer issue on another forum, but recently rejoined this one.  Anyway, from what I gathered from this thread is that venting the primary eliminates the transfer.  With that said then something is causing a vaccum to form in the primary.  It would seem that as the motor warmed up the pressure would increase.  What am I missing here?

Pressure could also force oil to transfer. Which hole heats the fluid up the most. I would guess the tranny but who knows. All I do know is that forgoing the M8 for my current TC was one of my better choices lately. 

[Dmerch]

My '19 RG has the migration issue. I checked the trans fluid level at delivery and at about 200 miles, it was in the middle of the add and full marks. Checked it again on Monday at 631 miles, nothing on the stick. It took 16 ozs to put it in the middle.
I rode 200 miles and checked it the next morning, down another 5 ozs.

So I pulled the derby cover and removed the excess. Then pulled the pushrod and modified it. Just trying the simplest fix first. I'll modify the trans side cover if this doesn't work, or doesn't work well enough.

[Pete_Vit]

  another honest HD tech
https://youtu.be/Rm57U2SUYaE 

[Wood]

New kit released from the MOCO; found this info on another forum.

[HogMike]

And now the dealers are allowed to do the "fix".
You don't have to wait for a factory tech

[98fxstc]

another honest HD tech
https://youtu.be/Rm57U2SUYaE

Don't agree Pete
I think he is a condescending wanker
peddling the typical MoCo response, nothing to worry about 

[Rockout Rocker Products]

They must be having success with it to get to the point of having hoses molded etc. Would be nice if you could buy the hose separately, their primary gaskets are pretty spendy & can be reused many times in my experience. Aftermarket will be along shortly I bet.

[rbabos]

They must be having success with it to get to the point of having hoses molded etc. Would be nice if you could buy the hose separately, their primary gaskets are pretty spendy & can be reused many times in my experience. Aftermarket will be along shortly I bet.

It took then into the 3rd year of bike production to perfect the shape of the hose. In reality they were once again shamed by experimenters into doing something to fix the issue. So, is this going to be on the owners dime for the fix or will they do it in good faith?
Ron

[HogMike]

They must be having success with it to get to the point of having hoses molded etc. Would be nice if you could buy the hose separately, their primary gaskets are pretty spendy & can be reused many times in my experience. Aftermarket will be along shortly I bet.

It took then into the 3rd year of bike production to perfect the shape of the hose. In reality they were once again shamed by experimenters into doing something to fix the issue. So, is this going to be on the owners dime for the fix or will they do it in good faith?
Ron

I just happened to be talking to our SM this morning. Their procedure is to call the factory, request a RO and hose "kit" is over nighted. Seems they don't keep them in stock.
2yr warranty kicks in. Those out of warranty the dealer will eat the cost "minimal" good faith for future business.
Too bad the motor company can't follow the lead from some of the dealers to promote future business.

[To The Max]

another honest HD tech
https://youtu.be/Rm57U2SUYaE

Don't agree Pete
I think he is a condescending wanker
peddling the typical MoCo response, nothing to worry about 

Yes I felt the same if he had talked to me like that I would not have been nice about it. Max

[PoorUB]

another honest HD tech
https://youtu.be/Rm57U2SUYaE

Don't agree Pete
I think he is a condescending wanker
peddling the typical MoCo response, nothing to worry about 

I didn't get a warm fuzzy feeling from him either!
I don't care for his style of making videos either. Too much B.S., not enough substance. Although he has a following so I guess he is doing what the general population likes.

[Pete_Vit]

another honest HD tech
https://youtu.be/Rm57U2SUYaE

Don't agree Pete
I think he is a condescending wanker
peddling the typical MoCo response, nothing to worry about 

well he does work for the MoCo, after viewing again, I never saw him talk about the 'solution' that HD came up with to solve the non issue - sorry guys

[Scooterfish]

The video was posted July 25 2018, so 9 mos old. I have seen some of his other videos and they appear to be  hawking a lot of general bolt on parts.

[Admiral Akbar]

another honest HD tech
https://youtu.be/Rm57U2SUYaE

Don't agree Pete
I think he is a condescending wanker
peddling the typical MoCo response, nothing to worry about 

Man, do you have in inferiority complex?

[98fxstc]

another honest HD tech
https://youtu.be/Rm57U2SUYaE

Don't agree Pete
I think he is a condescending wanker
peddling the typical MoCo response, nothing to worry about 

Man, do you have in inferiority complex?

I'm ok Max.
Why would you think otherwise ?

[Admiral Akbar]

another honest HD tech
https://youtu.be/Rm57U2SUYaE

Don't agree Pete
I think he is a condescending wanker
peddling the typical MoCo response, nothing to worry about 

Man, do you have in inferiority complex?

I'm ok Max.
Why would you think otherwise ?

Because John Maxwell rates a lot lower on the axehole scale and you think he's condescending?

[98fxstc]

another honest HD tech
https://youtu.be/Rm57U2SUYaE

Don't agree Pete
I think he is a condescending wanker
peddling the typical MoCo response, nothing to worry about 

Man, do you have in inferiority complex?

I'm ok Max.
Why would you think otherwise ?

Because John Maxwell rates a lot lower on the axehole scale and you think he's condescending?

How would you rate the content and his delivery Max ?
Who do you think the target audience is ?

[Harley Pilot]

Add another one to the list, My 2019 Roadking with 559 miles on it and all the trans fluid is in the primary!! What really grinds my gears is how the service dept folks think we no nothing about how these things work!!!😖