HarleyTechTalk

Quote from: FXST120r on July 27, 2012, 02:18:20 AM
what month what year???

I hope the above posts answered your question.

Rob.

yep my mate is a little excited hey LJ

Quote from: FXST120r on July 27, 2012, 07:36:40 PM
yep my mate is a little excited hey LJ

hope for one to get here as build is finished 

Is there a discount for updating from a prior version?

Also, for those of us that use a small monitor for on-road data collection, will this work without a laptop along for the ride? I wouldn't think so, but thought I'd ask...

Quote from: VDeuce link=topic=48654.msg 568421#msg 568421 date=1343581382
Is there a discount for updating from a prior version?

Also, for those of us that use a small monitor for on-road data collection, will this work without a laptop along for the ride? I wouldn't think so, but thought I'd ask...

Yes the new interface will record hours of data, (depending on the data stream), with out the lap top, the interface will also save the stock map and the last map you downloaded automatically.
The Beta software might not have this feature in it right now but it will come over the updater.
Doc

Quote from: Doc 1 on July 29, 2012, 04:31:28 PM

Quote from: VDeuce link=topic=48654.msg 568421#msg 568421 date=1343581382
Is there a discount for updating from a prior version?

Also, for those of us that use a small monitor for on-road data collection, will this work without a laptop along for the ride? I wouldn't think so, but thought I'd ask...

Yes the new interface will record hours of data, (depending on the data stream), with out the lap top, the interface will also save the stock map and the last map you downloaded automatically.
The Beta software might not have this feature in it right now but it will come over the updater.
Doc

Does  the  new one allow  a person to have  one map for  normal running, plus the ability to have another map on it  to switch  to for yhe long  touring miles? understand some tuners may have that availalbe  and you just flip a switch. 

Just went to Doc's and Mastertune websites.
No new options there.
Maybe dealers will have them first?

Quote from: happyman on July 29, 2012, 07:36:09 PM
Does  the  new one allow  a person to have  one map for  normal running, plus the ability to have another map on it  to switch  to for yhe long  touring miles? understand some tuners may have that availalbe  and you just flip a switch.

The power and efficiency argument for having two maps is just clever marketing.  There is absolutely no reason to have two maps, assuming one is for power and the other is for efficiency.   Power and efficiency areas are two different areas, and there is no reason you can't have both in the same map.  The only practical reason to have two is to test how the bike reacts to say timing changes, and once you have the timing map that the engine likes...there's no need to switch again. 

Quote from: happyman on July 29, 2012, 07:36:09 PM

Does  the  new one allow  a person to have  one map for  normal running, plus the ability to have another map on it  to switch  to for yhe long  touring miles? understand some tuners may have that availalbe  and you just flip a switch.

The best part of the tts tuner is that once the bike is properly tuned you don't need any second maps or switches. The ecm knows if you are cruising or hot dogging around town and if you have filled all the tables in correctly it senses and adjusts for what ever you are doing at the time. No extra switches or compromising one to get the other.

Mayor I just can not out type you. Once again my post is reduced to a rewording of what you just posted.

Beta test units have been shipped to selected dealers. As we receive feed back from those dealers we will make any changes necessary. The units will be updated as each dealers gives us feedback unit we turn all the feature on. Once that is done we will start shipping customer orders. We will not have every feature we want in place but the plans are to release them as they are fully field tested as software updates. Time before we release the product to customers depends greatly on those doing the field testing.

Quote from: Steve Cole on July 31, 2012, 08:57:33 AM
Beta test units have been shipped to selected dealers. As we receive feed back from those dealers we will make any changes necessary. The units will be updated as each dealers gives us feedback unit we turn all the feature on. Once that is done we will start shipping customer orders. We will not have every feature we want in place but the plans are to release them as they are fully field tested as software updates. Time before we release the product to customers depends greatly on those doing the field testing.

How about some crumbs for the loyal retail customer?
Please post pictures, list of features, maybe some tibits to hold off the tuning jitters?
Also, any wideband stuff in there?

Steve you should through a line out and see if you get any bites   

OK. We have been getting a fair amount of calls asking if BETA is for Public people and the answer to that is NO. If you get one of the Beta testers to sell you a kit what you will be getting is NOTHING. No warranty, No support and NO refunds so please do not try it. Each unit is known by us and whom they have went too. In order for us to work through any problems that may arise we do not want, nor will we have the public involved. All it does is slow the overall process and to that end we will not deal with the public at all, until a public release is made.

This is how it needs to be for Beta Testing so it can move forward as quickly as possible. We want these out as much as everyone else does but we want to make sure that when it goes out, its as correct as we can make it.

The new systems requirements are a minimum system of:

Windows XP sp3 or newer
1 Ghz processor
1 gig byte memory
USB port only supported

These specifications are a very basic machine by today's standards and should be capable of any Note book or Net book type machine as well as most PC's

Steve,
Features is what we are interested in. What is in the package? That is what is called marketing, getting the excitement level up, cause a buzz of interest, spreading the word....
Beta testing is a BIG Pain in the bum. Pros are welcome to it.
But if you want real customer input from clever, intelligent bikers, surely there are one or two Sportster guys here...

Steve does that mean the BETA version that has gone to your dealers doesn't lock itself to a bike?
If it does won't you need Joe Publics bike anyway to carry out the testing, I don't know but surely the dealers you use don't have 15 of there own bikes to test it on and will rely on there customers bikes ( public) and then it will be theirs and locked to their bike

Quote from: FXST120r on August 01, 2012, 08:46:32 PM
Steve does that mean the BETA version that has gone to your dealers doesn't lock itself to a bike?
If it does won't you need Joe Publics bike anyway to carry out the testing, I don't know but surely the dealers you use don't have 15 of there own bikes to test it on and will rely on there customers bikes ( public) and then it will be theirs and locked to their bike

from the rumors out here some tuners don't own, nor do they ride Harleys or any other bike.

  

Quote from: LJfxst on August 01, 2012, 10:05:36 PM
 

The longer you wait the better the sepst looks hey LJ! lmao.

You done the build and cant ride till you get the TTS or you have postponed the build?

Quote from: Sporty 48 on August 01, 2012, 07:43:24 PM
Steve,
Features is what we are interested in. What is in the package? That is what is called marketing, getting the excitement level up, cause a buzz of interest, spreading the word....
Beta testing is a BIG Pain in the bum. Pros are welcome to it.
But if you want real customer input from clever, intelligent bikers, surely there are one or two Sportster guys here...

A couple of features that make it better than the old one is the map storage function in the dongle, recording of v-tunes and sata runs in the dongle so no laptop etc and direst USB instead of serial to USB re Doc's post.

Dont know if any extra's to the program itself though.

Quote from: Steve Cole on August 01, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
The new systems requirements are a minimum system of:

Windows XP sp3 or newer
1 Ghz processor
1 gig byte memory
USB port only supported

Hey Steve, is it going to be USB3 compatable or just USB2?

Just asking as I noticed the last hard drive I got was able to use both.

Are there any new functions with the latest and greatest? such as ABS interface so one can cycle the pump for service??




TN

Quote from: 08fxstc on August 02, 2012, 04:42:45 AM
A couple of features that make it better than the old one is the map storage function in the dongle, recording of v-tunes and sata runs in the dongle so no laptop etc and direst USB instead of serial to USB re Doc's post.

OK, but if there's no laptop there's no way to run a remote monitor for V-tuning, correct??
Efficient V-tuning is virtually impossible without a remote monitor.

Quote from: 08fxstc on August 02, 2012, 04:48:48 AM

Hey Steve, is it going to be USB3 compatable or just USB2?

Just asking as I noticed the last hard drive I got was able to use both.

Won't matter. USB3 is backwards compatable and even the standard USB is fast enuf for what the ECM outs out.

Quote from: 08fxstc on August 02, 2012, 04:37:51 AM

Quote from: LJfxst on August 01, 2012, 10:05:36 PM
 

The longer you wait the better the sepst looks hey LJ! lmao.

You done the build and cant ride till you get the TTS or you have postponed the build?

i havent started yet but was hopping to get it done this time i was home from work but looks like might have to post pone or go with the power vision and dyno it then maybe buy a tts at a later date if im not happy with power vision i would rather use the tts but unsure of the time frame and im not very good at waiting

Quote from: tdkkart on August 02, 2012, 07:16:22 AM

Quote from: 08fxstc on August 02, 2012, 04:42:45 AM
A couple of features that make it better than the old one is the map storage function in the dongle, recording of v-tunes and sata runs in the dongle so no laptop etc and direst USB instead of serial to USB re Doc's post.

OK, but if there's no laptop there's no way to run a remote monitor for V-tuning, correct??
Efficient V-tuning is virtually impossible without a remote monitor.

I have a customer's bike that looses VSS to ECM.  I have replaced pins.  Wiggle tested it without the cap on the ECM connector.  Bounced off the seat on dyno and on the road.  Had him put dyno miles and road miles on it.  Can't get the soft failure to produce it self.  Logging data at a slow rate for mile is the best plan for catching this every 4-5 day problem.  Data recording does not lock anything.  So much more can be done with onboard data recording than getting your VE's correct.  We have past that point a couple of years ago.

My understanding is Mastertune 2 came about to address CAN.  I'm glad for the extra features, but as a pro tuner.  I am looking forward to the X and Y axis being labeled on BOTH sides, and live tuning....and as I am live tuning I would like 5vdc inputs.