Harley is now selling a New battery called the lithium life battery.
It's on their site as a new arrival at $250 bucks . And it's so new that it's not in any 2019 bikes .
This New lithium Fe is not like the older lithium ion battery it's 80% lighter , I mean crazy light ! And it also requires a new type of charger . So at this point there's very little info out there and we need the pros and cons on this new type of lithium battery .
From a battery guru
My question is can this battery be jump like a AGM battery ?
This is the battery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtpf1BPxhKM
so many questions.... :pop:
some answers:
looks like I'm SOL
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Lithium iron batteries are not exactly new...just those with an HD tag on them.
Do a search and you'll find many threads here and elsewhere.
I did 2 searches 1 Lithium iron batteries and 2 Lithium iron phosphate battery . On this forum and got Nothing
how about lithium ion ..
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?action=search2
I got 24 hits searching, I'm not going to post them all.
https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=89090.msg1019484#msg1019484
https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=88963.msg1021501#msg1021501
https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=41797.msg432701#msg432701
https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=81298.msg911784#msg911784
Not the same battery I'm talking about , that's the first generation lithium battery . We're talking about second generation lithium Fe not ion .
Quote from: Iron horse on February 18, 2019, 11:00:15 AM
Not the same battery I'm talking about , that's the first generation lithium battery . We're talking about second generation lithium Fe not ion .
thanks
Is it 80% lighter than the Lithium ion, or the AGM?
first time I've heard of Lithium FE (iron) battery, lighter and cheaper :idunno:
Quote from: Iron horse on February 18, 2019, 06:59:43 AM
Harley is now selling a New battery called the lithium life battery.
It's on their site as a new arrival at $250 bucks . And it's so new that it's not in any 2019 bikes .
This New lithium Fe is not like the older lithium ion battery it's 80% lighter , I mean crazy light ! And it also requires a new type of charger . So at this point there's very little info out there and we need the pros and cons on this new type of lithium battery .
From a battery guru
My question is can this battery be jump like a AGM battery ?
Everyone is getting all wrapped up with the type of battery but ignoring the OPs question, 'can this be jumped like an AGM battery?'.
Based on my experience with Lithium batteries branded by Anti-Gravity and Twin Power, I would say yes, they can be jumped like a traditional AGM battery. Why couldn't they be?
Will add that I have killed a lithium or two by leaving the lights on. Once these batteries drop below a certain voltage they are dead. I was able to jump start the bikeway one of those in-the-trunk air pump jump start things. Bike fired and ran without issue, but even after being put on a lithium maintainer for a day or two it still wouldn't crank the bike over by itself. I used a jump pack on the bike quite a few times until I replaced the battery.
Back to the OP, while I am an electronic engineer (MSEE), I do not have any knowledge of this type of battery, but cannot think of a reason why it could not be jump started like a traditional AGM.
Quote from: Hossamania on February 18, 2019, 11:34:48 AM
Is it 80% lighter than the Lithium ion, or the AGM?
Found the answer, 80% lighter than AGM.
This battery doesn't have the thermal runaway problem of the older lithium batteries
The local HD dealer had the model for my Street Glide on the counter for display. I couldn't believe how light it was. It felt like just the plastic case.
Quote from: turboprop on February 18, 2019, 12:31:02 PM
Quote from: Iron horse on February 18, 2019, 06:59:43 AM
Harley is now selling a New battery called the lithium life battery.
It's on their site as a new arrival at $250 bucks . And it's so new that it's not in any 2019 bikes .
This New lithium Fe is not like the older lithium ion battery it's 80% lighter , I mean crazy light ! And it also requires a new type of charger . So at this point there's very little info out there and we need the pros and cons on this new type of lithium battery .
From a battery guru
My question is can this battery be jump like a AGM battery ?
Everyone is getting all wrapped up with the type of battery but ignoring the OPs question, 'can this be jumped like an AGM battery?'.
Based on my experience with Lithium batteries branded by Anti-Gravity and Twin Power, I would say yes, they can be jumped like a traditional AGM battery. Why couldn't they be?
Will add that I have killed a lithium or two by leaving the lights on. Once these batteries drop below a certain voltage they are dead. I was able to jump start the bikeway one of those in-the-trunk air pump jump start things. Bike fired and ran without issue, but even after being put on a lithium maintainer for a day or two it still wouldn't crank the bike over by itself. I used a jump pack on the bike quite a few times until I replaced the battery.
Back to the OP, while I am an electronic engineer (MSEE), I do not have any knowledge of this type of battery, but cannot think of a reason why it could not be jump started like a traditional AGM.
So from what I get from this is that , this New Lithium iron battery can't survive twice as long of a life as an AGM battery if you kill it I by mistake a few times .And jumping it is not good .It loses it's CC cold Crank power .
"Once these batteries drop below a certain voltage they are dead."
No expert, but yes. However the 2nd generation of lithium iRon, (iOn for phones etc., iRon for motorcycles) will shut the battery down before it reaches a certain voltage that would kill it. Also has overcharge protection. The Battery Tender brand 2nd gen I have in my FXR is 480CCA, the OE was 300CCA. Also has a 3 year warranty. Don't know of a AGM that has a 3 yr. warranty.
I was just on the Shorai website and they do have some very good info for this type of battery in FAQs , but nothing on jumping it .
If you would like to read it , www.shoraipower.com
The new Antigravity has a jumpstart in it. :nix:
In case you are not already confused, it's ions of iron. Or cobalt or phosphate.
https://www.science.org.au/curious/technology-future/lithium-ion-batteries
Quote from: Iron horse on February 18, 2019, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: turboprop on February 18, 2019, 12:31:02 PM
Quote from: Iron horse on February 18, 2019, 06:59:43 AM
Harley is now selling a New battery called the lithium life battery.
It's on their site as a new arrival at $250 bucks . And it's so new that it's not in any 2019 bikes .
This New lithium Fe is not like the older lithium ion battery it's 80% lighter , I mean crazy light ! And it also requires a new type of charger . So at this point there's very little info out there and we need the pros and cons on this new type of lithium battery .
From a battery guru
My question is can this battery be jump like a AGM battery ?
Everyone is getting all wrapped up with the type of battery but ignoring the OPs question, 'can this be jumped like an AGM battery?'.
Based on my experience with Lithium batteries branded by Anti-Gravity and Twin Power, I would say yes, they can be jumped like a traditional AGM battery. Why couldn't they be?
Will add that I have killed a lithium or two by leaving the lights on. Once these batteries drop below a certain voltage they are dead. I was able to jump start the bikeway one of those in-the-trunk air pump jump start things. Bike fired and ran without issue, but even after being put on a lithium maintainer for a day or two it still wouldn't crank the bike over by itself. I used a jump pack on the bike quite a few times until I replaced the battery.
Back to the OP, while I am an electronic engineer (MSEE), I do not have any knowledge of this type of battery, but cannot think of a reason why it could not be jump started like a traditional AGM.
So from what I get from this is that , this New Lithium iron battery can't survive twice as long of a life as an AGM battery if you kill it I by mistake a few times .And jumping it is not good .It loses it's CC cold Crank power .
Not sure how you get that from what I posted. I don't agree with anything you posted here.
Quote from: kd on February 18, 2019, 06:33:28 PM
The new Antigravity has a jumpstart in it. :nix:
It does. I have one in my red/white bike. I works very well. With the blessing of the people at Anti-Gravity I drained the battery down to where it would illuminate a light bulb, then pressed the jump start button and cranked over the engine as if it were fully charged. The jump start feature is a 'partition' in the battery and cuts off power before voltage drops below a certain threshold. Pressing the jump start button will turn the power on and open the partition/reserve. This feature alone will all but eliminate the possibility of killing the battery by draining it too low.
One thing I have seen with Lithium batteries is that the manufacturers recommend a specified charger/maintainer for them. So why is this the charging circuit on our bikes is a standard setup. How does this work? Specifying a certain charger in one situation and an old style charger on the bike. I just bought a 500 cca AGM for my bike because the OEM struggles at times especially when it is cold. I haven't installed it yet but will in the next couple of days.
kk
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Quote from: turboprop on February 18, 2019, 07:23:09 PM
Quote from: kd on February 18, 2019, 06:33:28 PM
The new Antigravity has a jumpstart in it. :nix:
It does. I have one in my red/white bike. I works very well. With the blessing of the people at Anti-Gravity I drained the battery down to where it would illuminate a light bulb, then pressed the jump start button and cranked over the engine as if it were fully charged. The jump start feature is a 'partition' in the battery and cuts off power before voltage drops below a certain threshold. Pressing the jump start button will turn the power on and open the partition/reserve. This feature alone will all but eliminate the possibility of killing the battery by draining it too low.
That is all true. The next version of the restart battery is in the works with a remote control so the seat or cover does not have to be removed for access.
Quote from: Iron horse on February 18, 2019, 06:59:43 AM
Harley is now selling a New battery called the lithium life battery.
It's on their site as a new arrival at $250 bucks . And it's so new that it's not in any 2019 bikes .
This New lithium Fe is not like the older lithium ion battery it's 80% lighter , I mean crazy light ! And it also requires a new type of charger . So at this point there's very little info out there and we need the pros and cons on this new type of lithium battery .
From a battery guru
My question is can this battery be jump like a AGM battery ?
Would really like to get this discussion back on track with the OP's question. Based on my experience these batteries can be jumped same as any other battery. Does anyone have any other experience with jumping a lithium battery?
I've always connected battery to battery when jumping a lithium battery. Hooking up a charger to a dead battery won't do anything. Battery to battery I've brought a few back from the dead. All my power tools the same thing. If it's dead & you put it in the charger nothing. Hook a battery to it & get some juice back in it then put it in the charger. Have done it more than once to the same battery.
"Does anyone have any other experience with jumping a lithium battery?"
Not from a car, I carry a Type S jumper like this: https://slickdeals.net/f/12260143-costco-jump-starter-10000-mah-manufacturer-discount-49-99
in my saddle bag, have jumped LI and AGM, cars & bikes. with it.
Quote from: Deye76 on February 19, 2019, 04:32:23 PM
"Does anyone have any other experience with jumping a lithium battery?"
Not from a car, I carry a Type S jumper like this: https://slickdeals.net/f/12260143-costco-jump-starter-10000-mah-manufacturer-discount-49-99
in my saddle bag, have jumped LI and AGM, cars & bikes. with it.
Me too. I think there is way too much hyperbole about these batteries. Everyone has something to say, but very few have actually done anything.
The way I look at it your not jump starting the battery your jump starting the motor, the installed battery is dead and your skipping it with a live one. If anything the dead battery will make the live one work harder because it is also pulling juice.
Though I admit I'm no Electrical Engineer I can't see how you can harm a dead Li Ion battery with a jump battery that is only connected for the time it takes to start the bike. Since all that power is going into the starting system not the dead battery.
Any way it's all 12vdc in the end it's not like a Li Ion battery is supplying some kind of metric electricity that's incompatible.
Plus in this day and lawsuit age there would be a warning label, no?
This is exactly the type of question Max was good for because unlike me he knows what he's talking about.
BTW I am running a Twin Power Li Ion 625 cca in my bike and also have the Anti Gravity jump kit.
Mike
QuoteSince all that power is going into the starting system not the dead battery.
Hate do disagree but the host battery will attempt to charge the discharged battery when the jumper cables are connected. When I first started riding "little" motorcycles with small batteries, mechanics discouraged folks from jumping bikes from cars because of the size difference of the batteries. The big car battery could charge the little bike battery fast enough to overheat and damage it. That shouldn't be a problem today with a Harley battery because they are fairly big, but any discharged battery will draw current from the host battery until the voltages of the batteries equalize. A severely discharged battery (or one that is shorted internally) can draw enough current from the host battery to keep the vehicle from starting even with a jump.
Your not disagreeing I said that the dead battery will also be pulling juice, that said the minute you hit the starter the flow will be away from the dead battery.
As far as the dead battery pulling so much juice that you can't get the jump, your right I've experienced it with four wheelers.
I find that it helps to negate that by connecting the jump to the chassis ground and not the battery ground.
Don't ask me why but it does.
Mike
IMO, you can hook any 12 volt battery to any other 12 volt battery and it will not harm either one, no matter the size of either. The internal resistance of the smaller battery will only take so much current flow and unless you raise the voltage pushing the current it will peak out at a fairly low level. The big thing about jump starting a bike with a small 12 volt battery was to not start the vehicle you are using to jump start as the charging system will ramp up to 14 volts and possible harm the smaller battery by pushing too many amps into it.
:agree:
That makes perfect sense.
The website for Optimate battery chargers has a very good video on charging lithium iron batteries to watch .
Just click on the Optimate Lithium 4s and you will find it . Optimate1.com
It might have an explanation to why you shouldn't jump this type of battery .
Just put a new 500 CCA AGM battery in my ride. No lithium for me for at least 2 years. Maybe by then all the mystery, questions, hype, whatever about lithium will have been answered. :chop:
I just got my 500 CCA battery in my bike yesterday. I couldn't wait to see how it is going to work. The bike has been sitting for a couple of weeks due to weather and some cold weather for us in the teens. It cranked right over. With the OEM battery it probably would have stopped on the first couple of compression strokes. I am happy, $125 well spent. I think I am now ready for the riding season, ThrottleX battery, new Dunlop American Elite rear tire, Rockouts, all fluids changed and a new LRS recurve windshield.
kk
I have a shorai in my bike and use the Battery tender on it once in a while and it has been good for couple years so far
IMO all the mystery, questions and hype are fabricated on the web from people that don't have experience with the product. People that actually have the product have nothing but good things to say about them. As one member here likes to say: You have to separate the signal from the noise.
My AGM is approaching the end of its' service life. One of the 4 post lithiums is going in. I'll be sure to post here if there are any issues.
Zach
Quote from: IronButt70 on February 20, 2019, 07:34:13 AM
Just put a new 500 CCA AGM battery in my ride. No lithium for me for at least 2 years. Maybe by then all the mystery, questions, hype, whatever about lithium will have been answered. :chop:
As far as jump starting a lithium battery, any type, I dont think there should be any problem doing it in the traditional way. If I'm wrong, someone please let me know.
Quote from: IronButt70 on February 20, 2019, 07:34:13 AM
Just put a new 500 CCA AGM battery in my ride. No lithium for me for at least 2 years. Maybe by then all the mystery, questions, hype, whatever about lithium will have been answered. :chop:
They've been used for years in motorcycles. Not much left to be answered or sorted out.
Quote from: Iron horse on February 18, 2019, 06:17:37 PM
I was just on the Shorai website and they do have some very good info for this type of battery in FAQs , but nothing on jumping it .
If you would like to read it , www.shoraipower.com
You mean this piece of crap?... that requires their own special charger?... brand new, it actually stalled my starter trying to crank my 103 in the Summer after being on it's charger! I took it out and put a Yuasa in and left the Shorai on a shelf. Search Youtube for Short...i
Quote from: rhuff on February 21, 2019, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: IronButt70 on February 20, 2019, 07:34:13 AM
Just put a new 500 CCA AGM battery in my ride. No lithium for me for at least 2 years. Maybe by then all the mystery, questions, hype, whatever about lithium will have been answered. :chop:
They've been used for years in motorcycles. Not much left to be answered or sorted out.
Except the bikes that have burned from fires started by lithium batteries.
Quote from: FurryOne on February 22, 2019, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: Iron horse on February 18, 2019, 06:17:37 PM
I was just on the Shorai website and they do have some very good info for this type of battery in FAQs , but nothing on jumping it .
If you would like to read it , www.shoraipower.com
You mean this piece of crap?... that requires their own special charger?... brand new, it actually stalled my starter trying to crank my 103 in the Summer after being on it's charger! I took it out and put a Yuasa in and left the Shorai on a shelf. Search Youtube for Short...i
I remember when we went from unscrewing caps and adding water to a battery 4 or 5 times on a trip out west, to sealed batteries, guys were saying, no way, junk. I think we should go back to points ign. too. :hyst:
Quote from: IronButt70 on February 22, 2019, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: rhuff on February 21, 2019, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: IronButt70 on February 20, 2019, 07:34:13 AM
Just put a new 500 CCA AGM battery in my ride. No lithium for me for at least 2 years. Maybe by then all the mystery, questions, hype, whatever about lithium will have been answered. :chop:
They've been used for years in motorcycles. Not much left to be answered or sorted out.
Except the bikes that have burned from fires started by lithium batteries.
Bikes have burned from "conventional" batteries as well. And commercial planes have also fallen from the sky.
I've been following this cuz I am needing a new battery soon. Couple things... As far as jumping a dead Li battery, why not. What do you have to lose. It's already dead. Don't think I would do it from my bike as the donor tho.
I was looking at the antigravity batteries with re-start. Specifically the one for touring models. 880cca no less. And down at the bottom of their web page it says the re-start feature not recommended for over 103 cu in. or high compression. Wtf. That lets most of us out. :crook: Doesn't make any sense to me.
Also from the Shorai battery site; says down at the bottom of their page, not for over 110 cu in. Where did that number come from?
Found this on earthxbatteries.com:
"Can I jump a small motorcycle sized lithium battery from an automobile?"
"NO. It is not a good idea to "jump" a motorsport battery from a car or truck battery. It is much better to re-charge it if at all possible. On the top of each battery is a label that will specify the maximum amount of charging amps to use and a "jump" start from an automobile is about 150X more amperage than maximum amperage recommended, if not more. This can cause the cells to rupture and even catch on fire. This is true for all batteries, lithium or lead acid, if you must jump start the battery, do it from a like sized battery. A lead acid is much more tolerant than a lithium battery as they absorb the charge completely different. It is perfectly fine to jump start the EarthX battery from another motorcycle sized battery or use a jump pack."
Quote from: rhuff on February 22, 2019, 09:54:10 PM
Quote from: IronButt70 on February 22, 2019, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: rhuff on February 21, 2019, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: IronButt70 on February 20, 2019, 07:34:13 AM
Just put a new 500 CCA AGM battery in my ride. No lithium for me for at least 2 years. Maybe by then all the mystery, questions, hype, whatever about lithium will have been answered. :chop:
They've been used for years in motorcycles. Not much left to be answered or sorted out.
Except the bikes that have burned from fires started by lithium batteries.
Bikes have burned from "conventional" batteries as well. And commercial planes have also fallen from the sky.
Bingo!
If you think about it, it's not really surprising that some Harley people are afraid of new Tech, they are after all, riding on 100 yr old tech. :SM:
Quote"Can I jump a small motorcycle sized lithium battery from an automobile?"
"NO. It is not a good idea to "jump" a motorsport battery from a car or truck battery. It is much better to re-charge it if at all possible. On the top of each battery is a label that will specify the maximum amount of charging amps to use and a "jump" start from an automobile is about 150X more amperage than maximum amperage recommended, if not more. This can cause the cells to rupture and even catch on fire. This is true for all batteries, lithium or lead acid, if you must jump start the battery, do it from a like sized battery. A lead acid is much more tolerant than a lithium battery as they absorb the charge completely different. It is perfectly fine to jump start the EarthX battery from another motorcycle sized battery or use a jump pack."
It's funny how parts of this echo what that Honda mechanic told me some 50 years ago. The truth is the more discharged the "dead" battery is the more current it will draw from the host (battery or charger, either one), especially at first. A little battery can heat up quicker because it has less internal mass. A big car type battery has no way of regulating the current it can supply, unlike a trickle, maintenance or other low amperage charger. This is just plain electricity 101. Common sense seems to dictate if you
have to jump or charge a very run down smaller battery from a large source (battery or charger) that you connect for a short time and disconnect, maybe doing this several times at first while feeling how warn the smaller battery gets. It is really no different than the concept of a duty cycle when welding or doing any energy intensive activity. Just don't hook 'em up and walk away, that is what maintenance/trickle chargers are for.
Here in the frozen tundra, we learn how to jump start dead batteries before we get to third grade. Every type of vehicles has been jump started by every other type of vehicle, often improperly, but the job gets done, very few injuries, fewer fires.
When the battery is dead, and you've got to go, you use whatever is available.
What amps does a new car/truck/semi Alternators put out compared to the motorcycle charging, there lies your Problem,yes will it work,,,,,,, why yes it will work,,,,,,, what toll does it take,,,,,, Just something to think about,,,,,,,,, :potstir:
I am thinking car alternators start somewhere in the 90 amp range with bigger ones as options as necessary (police vehicles etc.)
Golden rule when jumping from a car, don't run the motor on the car.
I don't know if this has been covered yet, but we are hearing that if the new HD battery drops below 7 volts, it's throw it away time.. it can not be recharged..
Quote from: truck on February 23, 2019, 07:34:40 AM
Golden rule when jumping from a car, don't run the motor on the car.
That, right there.
Quote from: IRONMIKE113 on February 23, 2019, 06:45:07 AM
What amps does a new car/truck/semi Alternators put out compared to the motorcycle charging, there lies your Problem,yes will it work,,,,,,, why yes it will work,,,,,,, what toll does it take,,,,,, Just something to think about,,,,,,,,, :potstir:
Newer auto car and truck alternators can be 140 amp output in a common vehicle. I had a Chevy Caprice with all the options and it had a 140 amp alternator. But it makes not difference as it has been discussed, don't run the vehicle while jump starting a motorcycle.
Quote from: Hossamania on February 23, 2019, 06:04:30 AM
Here in the frozen tundra, we learn how to jump start dead batteries before we get to third grade. Every type of vehicles has been jump started by every other type of vehicle, often improperly, but the job gets done, very few injuries, fewer fires.
When the battery is dead, and you've got to go, you use whatever is available.
When you can only find one jumper cable,
DO NOT:1) Use a wire coat hanger for the other cable or
2) touch front bumpers to complete the ground path & use one positive cableHeard it from a friend
I can not imagine why you would have only one jumper cable. Mine have always been inseparable pairs.
We did jump start one on our service trucks with running the bumpers together and jutting a couple feet of a roll of ten gauge wire and guys held the wire on the positive posts. We let the vehicle run for a couple minute and get a tiny bit of charge on the battery then cranked it up. It didn't seem to me to be that dangerous, or stupid. I suppose we could have left the truck sit there and run around to find jumpers and screw away and hour or two as we were way out in the middle of no where.
Quote from: Rockout Rocker Products on February 23, 2019, 09:36:03 AM
Quote from: Hossamania on February 23, 2019, 06:04:30 AM
Here in the frozen tundra, we learn how to jump start dead batteries before we get to third grade. Every type of vehicles has been jump started by every other type of vehicle, often improperly, but the job gets done, very few injuries, fewer fires.
When the battery is dead, and you've got to go, you use whatever is available.
When you can only find one jumper cable, DO NOT:
1) Use a wire coat hanger for the other cable or
2) touch front bumpers to complete the ground path & use one positive cable
Heard it from a friend
Correct, don't do it. Unless you must. Then ok.
Heard that from a friend also....
Poor, as far as only one jumper cable, sometimes an end will corrode off because the cable have sat in a trunk with a rust hole for ten years.
Heard this from a friend as well...
Tell your friend to take better care of his tools!
Some trucks have major alternators. Mine came with a snow plow package part of which was 200 amp alternator.
kk
Quote from: Nastytls on February 23, 2019, 02:50:55 AM
Quote from: rhuff on February 22, 2019, 09:54:10 PM
Quote from: IronButt70 on February 22, 2019, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: rhuff on February 21, 2019, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: IronButt70 on February 20, 2019, 07:34:13 AM
Just put a new 500 CCA AGM battery in my ride. No lithium for me for at least 2 years. Maybe by then all the mystery, questions, hype, whatever about lithium will have been answered. :chop:
They've been used for years in motorcycles. Not much left to be answered or sorted out.
Except the bikes that have burned from fires started by lithium batteries.
Bikes have burned from "conventional" batteries as well. And commercial planes have also fallen from the sky.
Bingo!
If you think about it, it's not really surprising that some Harley people are afraid of new Tech, they are after all, riding on 100 yr old tech. :SM:
Afraid? I don't think so. I'm just not willing to roll the dice to save a few pounds on a touring bike. JMHO
I've been running a Lithium-ion battery (Twin Power brand) for two full years now...going on three.
I was able to sneak a little winter time ride in today. :teeth: I do have the proper battery maintainer for it, and it has been plugged in to it for about a month now because it has been pretty cold around here in SW Ohio.
My bike with the old 124 fired right up today. I couldn't get my finger off the starter button fast enough. I made about a half dozen stops running some errands that I needed to do, and it spun the engine over each time like the plugs were out of it.
I too was skeptical about the lithium batteries hearing a couple of horror stories about bikes catching on fire. I think that happened in the infant stage of lithium battery technology. I so far have zero complaints about the one I run. To be honest...it has proven itself to be the best battery I have ever ran in any of my Harley's. But this is just my opinion.
Do these batteries have a temperature range they should be charged at? My Segway batteries are lithium ion and they say 50 to 122 degrees.
Quote from: tomcat64 on February 23, 2019, 07:47:20 AM
I don't know if this has been covered yet, but we are hearing that if the new HD battery drops below 7 volts, it's throw it away time.. it can not be recharged..
Just grasping at straws here but could this save the battery? http://www.dgbint.com/
From what I read this NEW iron type lithium battery is replacing the ion type because it's not prone to catch on fire .