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COOL.  i have a "pink slip" for those numbers.
i will by your place to pick up "my" bike when you finish it.

but yeah, on old stuff with a guy looking like you do, i see no problems.
as you know, i do restores on old euro bikes.
i have very few papers. hell, most back then did not have any. (race and dirt stuff)
a lot of it is how you look and deal with LEO.
yeah, officer, i stole this 1949 whatever. in maybe 1956?

i have been stopped out in desert with ol rickman. ranger just said he wanted to drool over it close up.
i offered up what paper i had.  (written bill of sale)
he shrugged it off.
would do more of a check with a newer bike with a spray can paint job.
his very words

also my 1974 iron head, bought new, i have had 0 number check.
but then again i dont look like a iron theif.

Yeah, I don't expect to ever have any hassles.  But I've got all the paperwork if I do.  I'm not the least bit worried.

It's funny Gary.  You know how the Sheriff's dept is always patrolling the road out to Tortilla Flat.  The profile of my bike just makes them ignore me.  They are out there looking for the guys on the sport bikes, not the guys on choppers.  I've passed them at 2x the speed limit and I just get a wave (which I always return in kind).  Of course if I see them coming I'll slow to a reasonable pace.  But you know how that road is.  You're on top of on coming traffic before you know who they are in most cases.  It helps not to look like you're going 3x the legal speed.  LOL

-Craig

yep, their thinking is that ol thing cant go fast/handle.  LOL..
have seen you bend it around that road.  that and fact you ride it more than anyone other than me, get to know the road.
for years i took sporty to work and back 5 times a week.
i knew when a pebble was moved.

all the cops knew me and bike cause i worked on cop boats.
i got away with way fast rideing. they also knew i passed safely and did not put self or others in danger.

sooo, fast forward.  riding superglide i still dont get a glance.
and sometimes i ride "spirited". havent worked up there a while and the new crew dont know bike...

when i take buell up there they eyeballling me good.  they know i speeding. i also know of the 4 places they can be off side and radar.
i do pass over double yellow when safe.  its the tickett they looking for.
but swoop so fast its over before the car driver kows he been passed.

if buell was red i would have tickett already..lol
since it yellow its not a "fast" one.
its all in the presentation.

It's -15 here and I'm doing my best Homer Simpson imitation:  "Hummmm, Tortilla Flats Road"!!  Been a while since I rode my Springer down that road -  always great.

Blazin'

LOL  ...  its apache trail, but yeah, minus anything too XXXXXX cold.
havent even got jackets out yet.
spent turkey day up in prescott area.  was 10 degrees cooler up in mountains, 70. was 82 at home.
had to put on a sweater to ride horse.
oh poor me....

i know others have said this,, but WOW,, that guy is an amazing welder!!!!

Machine work is finished up on the cases. After all that welding the cylinder surface had to be milled flat.

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The timing plug hole now has an insert.
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Motor mounts are nice and flat.
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Thanks for posting an update Craig...nothin' like Pan porn in the morning to get the day started off right !!

Very Very nice, impeccable work there. 

Better get her back together, your missing all the good riding weather.

Awwww Man, that is sooo sweet looking! My Betsie is put back together finally but now I gotta wait on my cam and lifters, new pipes and a battery...
EASY

Deye76... I'm dyin' here!  The weather is just outstanding right now.  I'll just keep    for now.   

EASY, Dang!  You've made fast work of the rebuild of Betsie.  If I had the knowledge and machine tools in my garage I'd be plowing through this.  But this repair had to be left to people with a lot more skills than I have.  And I'm ok with letting them work in their time.

Yesterday when they went to surface the thrust face on the bearing race in the left side case, they discovered these cracks.  I'm glad these guys are thorough.  Not hard to fix with everything already torn down but sure would have been a pain if it had been overlooked.

Also, looks like the rear cylinder, left rear stud hole needs an insert to bring it up to par.

-Craig

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You ain't real far behind me! I didn't get the 5 speed set up yet, too much money involved to make it work right now. So I put the old 4 speed back in. 5 speed and belt final have time.... Not sweating the dual plugs yet either, holes are there with sparkplugs in em, but coils cost money too. I think I'll be real happy with the Roadking front end though. Ol Betsie has a Toyrun to lead in about 10 days! I can't challenge people to buy more toys than me, if I ain't pullin my trailer to haul them all!
EASY

Haven't updated this thread in too long!  I drove from Phoenix to Oceano, CA today to pickup the finished motor. I'll get it in the morning and then head back to Phoenix tomorrow. Holy cow! What a mess getting across Los Angeles. 200 miles of heavy rush hour traffic starting in Palm Springs and not letting up until I was past Santa Barbara. I stopped in at Buchanan Spokes and dropped off a pair of Akront aluminum rims to be punched for use with my star hubs. Figured I'd save the $40 in shipping to send them and only pay the return shipping. They were less than 2 miles off my route in Azusa, CA.

I'll post some photos of the motor in the next day or so.

-Craig

Alright!!! Here we go. Been waiting to see this. 

 
Well you were right Craig, I got mine back up and running before you did. She's running fantastic too. I can't wait til spring when I can peal the boat sail off and really feel the power she got. I doubt I'll get the Pan back up and going for a couple of years though. I did score some really nice sheet metal, though.
We're all waiting for the picture show.....
EASY

Quote from: CraigArizona85248 on January 03, 2013, 06:18:57 PM
...I'll post some photos of the motor in the next day or so.

-Craig

  I wan'na see pics of you riding that Vespa through LA traffic with that pan strapped on the back!          

LOL that would be a frightful photo!  Holy crap! Big accident on the 101 near Azusa had me crawling in traffic for over 2 hours to cover 10 miles. LA traffic is crazy!  Made it home at 1:30am this morning. Below is the only photo I've got so far. Just a phone camera shot of the motor loaded into the back of a rented SUV. The motor is sitting on an engine stand that is bolted to a 30"x30" piece of 3/4" plywood. Nice stable ride all the way back to Phoenix.

-Craig

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Here are some proper photos w/ different angles...

Both front and rear heads have a number of small (non structural) cracks between the oil return gallies and the outside of the head.  This leads to a real freakin' mess.  You can't get in there to weld up the cracks because they are buried deep between the fins on the heads.  So instead we went to outside oil return lines.  It's a simple modification.  You plug the return oil galley and come in from the side with a hole that you can thread a hose connection fitting into.  On the back of the motor case (right side) just inboard of the oil pump you make a similar hole and connect the hoses. 

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Perry ported the intake manifold.  This pattern finish flows better then a smooth polished finish in his experience.
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That is one good looking motor Craig! Is it in the frame and running yet? LOL
EASY

" went to outside oil return lines.  It's a simple modification.  You plug the return oil galley and come in from the side with a hole that you can thread a hose connection fitting into.  On the back of the motor case (right side) just inboard of the oil pump you make a similar hole and connect the hoses."

You'll like that  . A good friend of mine, engine builder, was doing that to many a Pan in the 70's & 80's. Believe it or not it will run cooler.
That motor looks soooo good. I have Pan envy. Enjoy.

Not running yet Easy.  I decided on a couple of last minute changes that I'll do while I have things apart here.  LOL  It's always something.

Deye76, yes it should help cool the oil a little.  That's one of the reasons I went to outside oil supply lines 8 years ago.  If you can keep the oil from running up/down the gallies in the cylinder, it won't absorb so much heat while being deliver and returned from the head.  Every little bit helps when I'm running around in 110F ambient air temps.   

-Craig

Very nice Craig, bet you're real happy to have it home again.

Engine looks great Craig.  Can you tell me how you tighten those nuts for the oil drain lines on the left side of the heads?  It's deep down between the fins and I have similar set-up.  Special wrench?

ricochet

Ricochet,

For the fitting that screws directly into the head, there is enough space to get a thin wall socket over it.  I use a 1/4" drive deep socket since those tend to be thinner than the same size socket for a 3/8" drive.

For the fitting on the end of the hose, I use a 7/16" open end wrench. I can't get it exactly square over the nut, but I still get plenty of bite to tighten it up and not mar things up.

-Craig

Made some progress on getting the bike reassembled over the weekend. Cold temps in the 20's overnight have the garage nice and cool. Unlike the summer it's in the 50's in the garage instead of 105+. 

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