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Title: Shifter Pawl Sleeve Question
Post by: lqqk_out on June 01, 2022, 10:56:48 PM
How does one determine when it's time to replace the shifter pawl sleeve? I have a slight leak in my 2011 Ultra. I'm guessing it's my shifter shaft seal based on past experience, but I will investigate further. I recently replaced all the seals with my drive belt about 12,000 miles ago. Bike started leaving its mark when parked about a week ago. I'm thinking maybe there is too much play in the shifter pawl causing the seal to wear out prematurely. The bike has almost 178,000 miles.

I'm thinking I should replace the sleeve (and shifter pawl) as a general maintenance item. Are these shifter pawl sleeves a fairly common wear item? I've already replaced the bushings in the inner primary for the gear shift assembly a couple of times.
Title: Re: Shifter Pawl Sleeve Question
Post by: rigidthumper on June 02, 2022, 06:40:12 AM
I have found doubling up on seals sometimes helps, but if/when those start to leak, they get a new sleeve. Jims has a tool (5517 )which makes that job easier on six speeds.
Title: Re: Shifter Pawl Sleeve Question
Post by: Rusticwater on June 02, 2022, 07:10:41 AM
Some good info in this thread here. (https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,105897.msg1255497.html#msg1255497)

It contains info about double seals, the bushing, correct seating depth, etc.

Also check out Service Bulletin M1296A (TRANSMISSION LUBRICANT CHECKING AND FILLING PROCEDURES) which covers 6 speed transmissions up to the 2013 model year. Chances are you might be adding too much transmission fluid in spite of what your manual says.
Title: Re: Shifter Pawl Sleeve Question
Post by: fleetmechanic on June 02, 2022, 09:09:38 AM
I recently had to replace my first shift pawl lever on a 6 speed due to worn splines on the outside.
The Jim's tool really made the job easy.
Title: Re: Shifter Pawl Sleeve Question
Post by: lqqk_out on June 02, 2022, 11:25:27 AM
Quote from: Rusticwater on June 02, 2022, 07:10:41 AMSome good info in this thread here. (https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,105897.msg1255497.html#msg1255497)

It contains info about double seals, the bushing, correct seating depth, etc.

Also check out Service Bulletin M1296A (TRANSMISSION LUBRICANT CHECKING AND FILLING PROCEDURES) which covers 6 speed transmissions up to the 2013 model year. Chances are you might be adding too much transmission fluid in spite of what your manual says.
Thank you for the information! I searched and read that thread before I posted my question. I did NOT know about the change in the transmission fluid level check. I always followed the procedure in the manual which stated to check with the dipstick resting on the threads. I'll now use the new procedure with the dipstick screwed in.
Title: Re: Shifter Pawl Sleeve Question
Post by: Deye76 on June 02, 2022, 04:24:56 PM
"I'll now use the new procedure with the dipstick screwed in."

 :up: Harley transmissions IME are sensitive to over filling. And over the years the procedure has changed from sitting level to on the side stand.