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Started by BigT, September 24, 2018, 04:13:48 PM

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rigidthumper

W>O>W>!!!!
Glad you finally found root cause- can they be repaired?
Ignorance is bliss, and accuracy expensive. How much of either can you afford?

klammer76

Nice job! Glad you finally found the problem. Problems are so frustrating.

Hossamania

If the government gives you everything you want,
it can take away everything you have.

Sunny Jim

Quote from: rigidthumper on August 23, 2019, 09:17:59 AM
W>O>W>!!!!
Glad you finally found root cause- can they be repaired?

Yes! Remove screws, clean em' up and install screws with loctite to the correct depth OR just leave the out.

FSG

Quote from: klammer76 on August 23, 2019, 09:31:39 AM
Nice job! Glad you finally found the problem. Problems are can be so frustrating.

:agree:

No Cents

  nice job...I've been following your post.  :up:
For an old fart like me...could you please explain to me what "grub screws" your talking about that were installed into the head face?
I just can't picture what your talking about.
08 FLHX my grocery getter, 124ci, wfolarry 110" heads, Burns pipe, 158/152 sae

Sunny Jim

Quote from: No Cents on August 23, 2019, 05:37:31 PM
  nice job...I've been following your post.  :up:
For an old fart like me...could you please explain to me what "grub screws" your talking about that were installed into the head face?
I just can't picture what your talking about.

E en an old fart like me too. Grub screws were a recommendation from SS as I recall, for bigger bores and head gasket issues!

metaliser

You are da man. Sort of like the little train from down under that never gave up !!   :up:

No Cents

   thanks for the reply Jim!  :up:
I have never seen that before.
08 FLHX my grocery getter, 124ci, wfolarry 110" heads, Burns pipe, 158/152 sae

jls 64

Quote from: klammer76 on August 23, 2019, 09:31:39 AM
Nice job! Glad you finally found the problem. Problems are so frustrating.
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:up: :up:
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Sunny Jim

 The southwest regions a Western Australia makes some the best red wine in the planet.
Some of this was evident in my meandering posts.
I went with the technical ' call in the engineer ' route in an attempt to cure the common cold! But I new my sumping was not like the others.
All I new was that it didn't sump ( as I know it) before I ripped it apart.
Anyway I just need to sort out the leaky pushrod tunes, new seals and all , then it is  back on the road tomorrow for test ride.
A big thanks to 'to da Max'.

To The Max

August 24, 2019, 06:04:32 PM #286 Last Edit: August 24, 2019, 07:23:34 PM by FSG
Quote from: Sunny Jim on August 24, 2019, 05:38:48 AM
The southwest regions a Western Australia makes some the best red wine in the planet.
Some of this was evident in my meandering posts.
I went with the technical ' call in the engineer ' route in an attempt to cure the common cold! But I new my sumping was not like the others.
All I new was that it didn't sump ( as I know it) before I ripped it apart.
Anyway I just need to sort out the leaky pushrod tunes, new seals and all , then it is  back on the road tomorrow for test ride.
A big thanks to 'to da Max'.
To The Max dumbass. we learnt a lot but there is a little more to learn. would like to see how much oil comes out of the sump plug hole in 15 seconds while the motor is running and you need to post the before and after. this I think was a pivotal point in us understanding what was going on. all credit to you, you never gave up , you cried a lot  :teeth:

Sunny Jim

Road test today (107 cr460 and 040 HG) .
Temp got no hotter than 288*f. Averaged temp at around 275*f.
Road for an hour or so and returned to remove CPS - no oil!
Happy!

IronButt70

Quote from: Sunny Jim on August 25, 2019, 07:03:37 AM
Road test today (107 cr460 and 040 HG) .
Temp got no hotter than 288*f. Averaged temp at around 275*f.
Road for an hour or so and returned to remove CPS - no oil!
Happy!
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No one else put you on the road you're on. It's your own asphalt.

Txwezl

Quote from: Sunny Jim on August 25, 2019, 07:03:37 AM
Road test today (107 cr460 and 040 HG) .
Temp got no hotter than 288*f. Averaged temp at around 275*f.
Road for an hour or so and returned to remove CPS - no oil!
Happy!

Are you going to put the 117 back on now?

98fxstc

Quote from: Txwezl on August 25, 2019, 01:41:26 PM
Quote from: Sunny Jim on August 25, 2019, 07:03:37 AM
Road test today (107 cr460 and 040 HG) .
Temp got no hotter than 288*f. Averaged temp at around 275*f.
Road for an hour or so and returned to remove CPS - no oil!
Happy!

Are you going to put the 117 back on now?

curious about this too
one set of heads and the tech put the screws in too deep when going from 107 to 117 ?

Sunny Jim

Quote from: 98fxstc on August 25, 2019, 03:44:20 PM
Quote from: Txwezl on August 25, 2019, 01:41:26 PM
Quote from: Sunny Jim on August 25, 2019, 07:03:37 AM
Road test today (107 cr460 and 040 HG) .
Temp got no hotter than 288*f. Averaged temp at around 275*f.
Road for an hour or so and returned to remove CPS - no oil!
Happy!

Are you going to put the 117 back on now?

curious about this too
one set of heads and the tech put the screws in too deep when going from 107 to 117 ?

The original prob was the fly cutting marks on the head were so deep , the cometic  gaskets would not seal. We had the heads serviced. The grub screws were installed.
We set about solving a severe sumping issue, with no consideration for high oil pressure . The SS pump is so efficient it exacerbated the problem.
We unwound the project right back to almost original, before we test oil pressure. ( key error).

98fxstc

Quote from: Sunny Jim on August 25, 2019, 04:18:27 PM
Quote from: 98fxstc on August 25, 2019, 03:44:20 PM
Quote from: Txwezl on August 25, 2019, 01:41:26 PM
Quote from: Sunny Jim on August 25, 2019, 07:03:37 AM
Road test today (107 cr460 and 040 HG) .
Temp got no hotter than 288*f. Averaged temp at around 275*f.
Road for an hour or so and returned to remove CPS - no oil!
Happy!

Are you going to put the 117 back on now?

curious about this too
one set of heads and the tech put the screws in too deep when going from 107 to 117 ?

The original prob was the fly cutting marks on the head were so deep , the cometic  gaskets would not seal. We had the heads serviced. The grub screws were installed.
We set about solving a severe sumping issue, with no consideration for high oil pressure . The SS pump is so efficient it exacerbated the problem.
We unwound the project right back to almost original, before we test oil pressure. ( key error).


:up:

Jaycee1964

 :turd:got hit with sumping but its intermittent.  I lose power,  come to an idle for a couple min. and it's fine for what could be days.  Its happenedv3 times.  Driving along. Loses power, come to idle and it's fine.  Dealer pulled case plug and 6oz came out.  They say it's normal.  Can not duplicate...  ugh
If you have to stop and think about if it is right or wrong, Assume it is wrong.

Sunny Jim

Quote from: Jaycee1964 on September 15, 2019, 06:06:22 AM
:turd:got hit with sumping but its intermittent.  I lose power,  come to an idle for a couple min. and it's fine for what could be days.  Its happenedv3 times.  Driving along. Loses power, come to idle and it's fine.  Dealer pulled case plug and 6oz came out.  They say it's normal.  Can not duplicate...  ugh

Pump change imminent!

VDeuce

I'd give the new 8 gerotor pump a try. About $110 plus labor. If still under warranty, stick it to em and make them install it.

Txwezl

The new pump is $186.00 and the plate that must be used with it is another $27.00

VDeuce

[url="https://www.surdyke.com/PartsMain.aspx?PartNumber=62400247&SubCatID=&CatID=&Name=&CatName="]https://www.surdyke.com/PartsMain.aspx?PartNumber=62400247&SubCatID=&CatID=&Name=&CatName=[/url]

$109.86

62400247 is the kit p/n which contains 62400126 gerotor assy; 62400238 oil pump assy; 62400245 oil pump assy, cover for air-cooled bikes.

Txwezl

The water cooled one is a lot higher. Surdyke didn't recognize the Pn when I checked their site a couple weeks ago.


BigT

It looks like S&S just added a rubber seal to their oil pump that is similar to the HD cover.