My Son's 2019 softail, noisy upper valve train

Started by nwrvman, August 19, 2019, 12:00:20 PM

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To The Max

Quote from: Iron Cowboy on September 12, 2019, 10:29:34 AM
Quote from: Hossamania on August 29, 2019, 08:11:17 AM
Quote from: Reddog74usa on August 29, 2019, 07:44:01 AM
H-D avoiding or refusing to make things right is running them into the ground. The bean counters are in all their glory as they run an American icon into the ground. This attitude and the disastrous M8 design coupled with a huge slowdown in the MC industry may just be the death of the MOCO. None of what they are doing makes a bit of sense. Damn Shame....

And yet they are going to sell well over 200,000 units, because, well, HD. Still the best looking bikes out there, and the ones with the most cache'.
This is why I never come to this site anymore, keyboard commandos that run down anything newer than what they have because really they cant afford a new one and want to feel better about it.  I have run a shovel , evo's a twincam, and now a 2019 M8. To all those wondering, yep, new is always better. the M8 is light years better than all the others. I had spent thousands building up a twincam and a stock M8 blows it away in EVERY SINGLE WAY! But yea,,,sumping and transfer issues, bla, bla bla..had me wondering..so I went out and actually talked to lots of mechanics IN PERSON and guess what, its all internet hype.  whatever, maybe ill check back in another 10 years. have fun
I was in Alice Springs the other day and went to the Harley Dealer there , these guys don't sell many Harleys only 3 on the floor but guess what they had a CVO SG that had sumped to death. this problem is very real some times from new and sometimes induced by the mods we all do. yes there are some guys that have a winge but there are also very talented people that give of there time to help others, especialy when the answers aren't coming from the Moco. personaly I think your the one missing out. Max

nwrvman

"KeyBoard Commandos" ... I thought that's what this site is all about Harley Tech Talk of which I have been a member since 2004 or 2005
We come and talk about our bikes and builds, exchange ideas, opinions and experiences
in our case, When one pays a good price for a bike, one expects to get what you pay for...Iron doesn't agree with this concept...sorry

VDeuce


Sunny Jim

I for one, am forever grateful for the exposure to tech advice and sharing this site achieves. All information is good information, just take what you want.
Thanks Members.
PS. Let's have a laugh!

jls 64

Quote from: Sunny Jim on September 12, 2019, 04:48:10 PM
I for one, am forever grateful for the exposure to tech advice and sharing this site achieves. All information is good information, just take what you want.
Thanks Members.
PS. Let's have a laugh!
:agree:
js

Will-Run

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boggart

Quote from: nwrvman on September 12, 2019, 07:42:25 AM
The challenge with him now he wont ride it, he won't touch it, he don't care for it no more.
Its parked in my garage collecting dust for the last two months.
Not sure what he wants to do with it, I can not bring the bike up he gets mad ( its my fault)
I'm almost at the point of paying out of my pocket to fix it at an independent shop, I feel responsible.

I understand his frustration.  However, it's new, under warranty, he needs to get on the thing and log miles.  If it blows, make it do it while it's under warranty.  IMHO

PoorUB

Yup! Ride the crap out of it! With any luck it will blow up and not be repairable!
I am an adult?? When did that happen, and how do I make it stop?!

Ken R

You've compared the sound with other 2019's and it's different (much louder)? 

Or have you asked other owners of similar bikes their opinion of the way your son's sounds? 

If you answer yes to either or both of those and yours is as loud as you say (you can hear valve clatter while riding 30' away from him), then it's time to take it back to the dealer and have a mechanic do a comparison with another bike right there with you.  The outcome should be obvious. 

Ken

hogpipes1

December 07, 2019, 04:28:06 PM #34 Last Edit: December 07, 2019, 04:32:47 PM by hogpipes1
Quote from: nwrvman on September 12, 2019, 07:42:25 AM
The challenge with him now he wont ride it, he won't touch it, he don't care for it no more.
Its parked in my garage collecting dust for the last two months.
Not sure what he wants to do with it, I can not bring the bike up he gets mad ( its my fault)
I'm almost at the point of paying out of my pocket to fix it at an independent shop, I feel responsible.

Hell your kid is 26 yrs. old tell him to suck it up .You didn't design or build it so get off your ass bitchen about it . It's life as is sometimes, and the dealer and co. need to take the heat about it not YOU.

Screamin beagle

I was agreeing with ironcowboys option up till the comment about the m8 blowing away a built up twin cam. So either he's full of brown smelly stuff or the twin cam wasn't too built up. After that comment all of his credibility went buh bye. To deny that there are bikes with issues is ridiculous but of course things get blown out of proportion, it is the internet after all. Haven't ran into a stock m8 that'll stay close to my built up twin cam yet, lol...kinda doubt I will.

TXChop

Anyway you can post a video of this here?

I dont work for harley but for another manufacturer. We advise dealers to tear down based on video evidence all the time.

Little Wing

my 2018 (13K miles) made a loud ticking noise on cold start-up. at 18K it was unbearable so i took it in...

without even seeing the bike, one dealer said "they all do that; don't believe everything you read on the internet."  :wtf:
the dealer from which i purchased the bike kept it overnight, started it the next day and said it was "not right."
factry OK'd teardown after testing compression, leakdown, tolerances, etc.
found scored front exhaust valve lifter and corresponding lobe on cam.

replaced cam, bearing, lifters, pushrods, pistons, cylinders, heads and complete rocker assemblies.

my advice is to run the bejeesuz out of her while she's still under warranty and when discussing warranty issues speak directly to the general manager and/or service manager via email to document their procedures!

and if they jerk you around, report them at:
https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/about-us/company/dealer-survey.html
2018 VIVID BLACK FLTRX
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

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Quote from: nwrvman on August 19, 2019, 12:00:20 PM
2019 softail 107 streetbob.
Right when he drove it new off the lot was doing this " loose marble like" rattle in the upper cylinder heads.
While we are driving down the Hwy I can hear it 30 ft away behind me.
does it idle or under load and its consistent with the RPM.

He put about a 1,000 miles, changed the oils in all three holes and the noise is still there.
This Thursday he has an apt at the dealer to see what's going on.
Anyone encounter or heard of such?
You say it made the noise "right when he drove if off the lot". I am going to take a guess here that he did not ride it before he bought it. I see this all the time where people fall in love and buy the bike before they take it out for a test ride. Next time, if there is a next time, take the bike out for a ten or 15 minute spin before you sign on the dotted line. If the dealer gives you a  hard time, move on down the road to a better dealer.