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Title: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: 1stop on December 05, 2020, 08:45:34 AM
rebuilding an 1973 74". got crank apart, and checking run out on pinion side. got .007 run out at flywheel rim with pinion shaft in lathe on centers. what is typical runout when these cranks are took apart? should be within a thousand i would thunk to be correct. skimmed the manual, but didnt see anything about it.
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: 1stop on December 05, 2020, 08:56:52 AM
just checked sprocket side of crank, & its .005 runout on rim. indicated both shafts, zero runout.
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: Ohio HD on December 05, 2020, 09:19:18 AM
The '73 factory service manual states:

Runout (flywheels) 0.003" maximum at the rim
Runout (mainshafts) 0.001" maximum

Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: 1stop on December 05, 2020, 09:29:05 AM
i got crank apart. checking run out at rim vs pinion & sprocket shafts separately.  shafts being perpendicular/true in flywheel half. should be truer than .007, right?
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: Ohio HD on December 05, 2020, 09:33:58 AM
Maximum of 0.003" runout at the rim. But the spec is based on assembled flywheels, not halves.

I've had to replace shafts, or lap the tapers to get the runout right. In some rare cases replace flywheels.

Some left the factory out of spec.
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: kd on December 06, 2020, 10:03:52 AM
I would be tempted to check on V blocks.  Some shaft centres can be off but on V blocks you are indicating as it would be installed and running on the main bearings. If changing shafts it is imperative that the matching tapers are surgically cleaned with a solvent and bone dry. No finger prints allowed.  That can skew the fit when being torqued down and seat them too deep.
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: RTMike on December 07, 2020, 08:33:30 AM
I would disassemble the shafts from the flywheels,cleane the bores and shafts reassemble and check it again.Shafts can also be checked when apart ,may need new shafts or maybe lapped in :potstir:
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: Hybredhog on December 07, 2020, 10:37:06 AM
  When you true up wheels, you try to get your rim spec first before doing it with crank pin assembly. some old wheels may be problematic & you may have to remove shafts & re try, but the main point is getting the shafts true to each other. theoretically, if your close on the rim spec, the shaft spec should follow, but when dealing with old wheels there's no guarantees, so getting your .001 is the end game with a truing stand or dead centers.
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: 1stop on December 08, 2020, 11:42:44 AM
i had 2 more 74 in cranks laying around. took them all apart and checked side of flywheel as pictured. closest was .002. begining to believe the side of flywheel isnt machined square with crank pin taper. any expertise info on this? looked up s&s instructions on replacing pinion shaft.  they said just torque shaft, assemble rod set& true wheels. no checking wheel runout check while apart.
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: JW113 on December 08, 2020, 12:19:13 PM
If the shafts are properly installed in the wheels, and still the sides measure excessive run out, can you not chuck the shafts up in a lathe and machine the wheels to have next to no run out?

-JW
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: turboprop on December 08, 2020, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: JW113 on December 08, 2020, 12:19:13 PM
If the shafts are properly installed in the wheels, and still the sides measure excessive run out, can you not chuck the shafts up in a lathe and machine the wheels to have next to no run out?

-JW

How do you think that will affect the location of the crank pin?
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: JW113 on December 08, 2020, 02:54:27 PM
About as much as knife-edging flywheels I suppose?
:nix:

Not being a machinist, what does one do if the tapers & shafts are good, but the flywheel rim out is not within spec?

-JW
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: kd on December 08, 2020, 03:52:11 PM
I don't think you will ever know until it's fully assembled. The influence of the crank pin will be an important part of the equation.
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: Ohio HD on December 08, 2020, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: kd on December 08, 2020, 03:52:11 PM
I don't think you will ever know until it's fully assembled. The influence of the crank pin will be an important part of the equation.

:up:  Once together, the crank will likely need to be spread, shifted, etc. to get the shafts within 0.001".
Title: Re: pinion shaft run out / crank rebuild
Post by: Hybredhog on December 10, 2020, 09:49:36 AM
.005" runout on the rims isn't going to make any difference if the shafts are true. "Most" cases have more than enough room to accommodate that much,  Mock setting up can tell a lot. If shafts are true and the rims of the FW do touch, there's something going on elsewhere.