What is a good torque cam for this bike? HD no longer sells the 255, so I'll need to go with an aftermarket cam. I will probably tune it with a Powervision or something similar, but I won't be dynoing it. Thanks.
Andrews 48 is always a winner.
555 Torquester (tells the mission right in its name).
CR570-2, while not a true "torque" cam, a good all around cam.
As far as the PowerVision, if purchased from Fuel Moto, they will provide tuning maps for you free of charge.
Quote from: Jim Bronson on December 29, 2021, 09:18:40 AMWhat is a good torque cam for this bike? HD no longer sells the 255, so I'll need to go with an aftermarket cam. I will probably tune it with a Powervision or something similar, but I won't be dynoing it. Thanks.
96 or 103? electronic comp release? Bob
If you wanted the 255s there should be plenty about in good condition.
I have some, little used, but I am in Oz.
The TTS 100s have had some good reviews
Andrews 48 cams do very well in a stock 96" or 103" motor. They're less expensive than most other cam brands. There are several dyno sheets in the dyno section using Andrews 48 cams.
A good stage 1 intake should be used, and if possible free flowing exhaust. These changes insure the best results with any cam change.
I assume you have ABS brakes? If you do I would use Power Vision as it allows HD or another shop to correctly bleed your ABS module.
Here's my 96" with Andrews 48 cams. Not a hot rod, but it has more than enough get up and go for what it is. This one was tuned with Power Vision.
https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,98936.msg1155981.html#msg1155981 (https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,98936.msg1155981.html#msg1155981)
It is a fully stock 96 motor. It doesn't have ABS. I want a little more bark than the stock mufflers, but I don't want to shatter windows. My neighbors are really nice, and I want to respect their peace and quiet. I found some 255s on ebay that are CVO pre-delivery pull-offs. They may be an option.
Thanks all.
I have a 48 in my 12 ultra very happy with it , I checked out the dyno room and compared cams for where they came on in the range I usually ride.
I rode it for the first time today. It still has fully stock intake and exhaust. My buddy sold me a new pair of SE slip-ons, and I hope to install them tomorrow and compare. I don't want to do any radical mods.
I noticed it has way less power than my 110 SE RK, which was dyno tuned. I'd rather just use a tuner that I can program myself. I guess the next step is to get a cam and intake, then play with a tuner - maybe a PV. Looks like a learning curve.
Thanks for the suggestions.
The best "low hanging fruit" is AC, exhaust, and a tuner. There's a lot of things that $ can be spent on, but the return diminishes as the dollars spent gets bigger. SEAC, slip-ons, and one of the following- TW48, TTS100, SE255, T-man 555 torquesters, CR570, SE204, TW21, Woods 5-6, etc, combined with a good tune will make it accelerate well enough to feel closer to your other bike.
A drop on 110 kit will improve everything, but may require a different cam due to the compression change ;)
:agree: Great advice. You may like this 96 in a lighter bike on a budget build and ride the heck out of it. If your need for more prevails the 110 route is still there. FWIW, I notice the TTS and CR cams get positive responses from pretty well every user.
Thanks for the advice. It gives me a good starting point. I'll me making some non-performance mods over the next week or so, and then I'll start researching the performance upgrades.
Quote from: Ohio HD on December 29, 2021, 01:15:10 PMAndrews 48 cams do very well in a stock 96" or 103" motor. They're less expensive than most other cam brands. There are several dyno sheets in the dyno section using Andrews 48 cams.
A good stage 1 intake should be used, and if possible free flowing exhaust. These changes insure the best results with any cam change.
I assume you have ABS brakes? If you do I would use Power Vision as it allows HD or another shop to correctly bleed your ABS module.
Here's my 96" with Andrews 48 cams. Not a hot rod, but it has more than enough get up and go for what it is. This one was tuned with Power Vision.
https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,98936.msg1155981.html#msg1155981 (https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,98936.msg1155981.html#msg1155981)
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the bold part of your post... but... are you saying the PowerVision tuner can now cycle the ABS unit for an ABS brake bleed/flush...??
I have a PowerVision for my bikes, but use the Twin Tec, Twin Scan 4 to activate the ABS during a bleed/flush...
I was unaware that a PowerVision tuner now has that ability...
I think OHIO's comment was with regards to one tuner that locks the ECM. I'm not sure locking the ECM prevents bleeding though as that procedure deals directly with the ABS module. But it would be a PITA if it does. I haven't used that tuner in so long IDK.
Quote from: hattitude on January 02, 2022, 11:09:56 AMQuote from: Ohio HD on December 29, 2021, 01:15:10 PMAndrews 48 cams do very well in a stock 96" or 103" motor. They're less expensive than most other cam brands. There are several dyno sheets in the dyno section using Andrews 48 cams.
A good stage 1 intake should be used, and if possible free flowing exhaust. These changes insure the best results with any cam change.
I assume you have ABS brakes? If you do I would use Power Vision as it allows HD or another shop to correctly bleed your ABS module.
Here's my 96" with Andrews 48 cams. Not a hot rod, but it has more than enough get up and go for what it is. This one was tuned with Power Vision.
https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,98936.msg1155981.html#msg1155981 (https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,98936.msg1155981.html#msg1155981)
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the bold part of your post... but... are you saying the PowerVision tuner can now cycle the ABS unit for an ABS brake bleed/flush...??
I have a PowerVision for my bikes, but use the Twin Tec, Twin Scan 4 to activate the ABS during a bleed/flush...
I was unaware that a PowerVision tuner now has that ability...
No, what I'm saying what ever process you use to cycle and bleed the ABS module, you can't do it with a TTS map loaded. TTS blocks the usage of the Digital Tech and Daytona Twin Scan. However a PV map does not inhibit the cycling of the ABS module.
S&S 551
I don't know if I'm reading this right, but I have no problem bleeding the ABS system that are tune with TTS when using TR.
TR is different. It's the only one that'll bleed TMax bikes too. It doesn't need to talk to the ECM. The others do.
Quote from: Coyote on January 02, 2022, 12:53:29 PMTR is different. It's the only one that'll bleed TMax bikes too. It doesn't need to talk to the ECM. The others do.
So does Diag4.
Dyna'a are geared high, that may be something ya might want to look at for a little more oomph.
My 09 has a TTS MT9 tune installed and I have no problem using the Daytona twin tec tool and the function cycling the ABS module during bleeding process. Just my experience. I still use the original black interface.
At one time TTS developer was polling people about having brake bleed function added to their software, I think it was here I saw that, never happened for what ever reason.
That must be a change then with the MT9 maps. I know for a fact the MT8 map in use it doesn't allow you to bleed ABS. That's why I changed my 2009 bike from TTS to PV.
Quote from: Ohio HD on January 03, 2022, 08:31:42 AMThat must be a change then with the MT9 maps. I know for a fact the MT8 map in use it doesn't allow you to bleed ABS. That's why I changed my 2009 bike from TTS to PV.
Why didn't you just install the mte to bleed?
Quote from: lonewolf on January 03, 2022, 12:18:46 PMQuote from: Ohio HD on January 03, 2022, 08:31:42 AMThat must be a change then with the MT9 maps. I know for a fact the MT8 map in use it doesn't allow you to bleed ABS. That's why I changed my 2009 bike from TTS to PV.
Why didn't you just install the mte to bleed?
I just wanted less hassle. In the event I was away and needed to have the system bled, I'd be stuck unless I haul the dongle around, a laptop and the MTE map.
I'm converting the 2008 Street Glide to PV with the new motor. My era of TTS maps don't allow primary or transmission changes anymore. Steve said they have to be sent in when change are needed. Mehh, I'd rather have the option to do them myself.
Quote from: lonewolf on January 03, 2022, 12:18:46 PMQuote from: Ohio HD on January 03, 2022, 08:31:42 AMThat must be a change then with the MT9 maps. I know for a fact the MT8 map in use it doesn't allow you to bleed ABS. That's why I changed my 2009 bike from TTS to PV.
Why didn't you just install the mte to bleed?
Better question would be why lock it at all? :pop:
WhipLash96 hit the nail on the head, S&S 551 will. give excellent torque, a nasty idle and works great with 2-2 exhaust. best cam for the torque and the EZ start will keep it simple and easy on hot starts
Here are two stock 96" motors, one Andrews 48, the other S&S 551. The Andrews cams outruns the S&S cams everywhere.
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Andrews 48 - 92HP ~ 106TQ
Andrews 48 (https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,98936.msg1155981.html#msg1155981)
S&S 551 - 82HP ~ 102TQ
S&S 551 (https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,85094.msg957949.html#msg957949)
Most performance cam sellers don't ship to The People's Republic of CA, so I'll need an outlaw friend.