I am now a distributor for these lifters. This is the original lifter that came stock in the earlier Twin cams. The other lifter is a high performance version with slow leak down & pin oiling. I will be offering these for $79[set of 4]for the standard lifter & $149 for the performance lifter. If you're doing a cam change & want some new lifters to go with it give them a try.
MADE IN THE USA
Performance lifter.
(http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/MGalleryItem.php?id=2575)
The one on the left is the original lifter, the one on the right is the performance lifter.
(http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/MGalleryItem.php?id=2576)
these lifters?
what do you have there Larry?
added later:
I see them now :up:
I'm trying to figure out how to post pictures.
I'll have those springs you want soon. :up:
They are big pix 1500 x 2000 pixels so it might be better to reduce them somewhat or post them using the BBC embed code rather than using img tags.
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Thanks FSG. Feel free to fix up any pictures I post. I know you'll do a better job than me. :up:
Hi Larry & welcome!
Looking forward to hearing more from you.
:up:
Larry curious about the B-2313SE on the box in the pic, & welcome.
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That's the part # for the performance lifter. The sheet that I posted was an explanation of how the lifter was built. The A on that sheet is for an individual lifter. B for a box of 4.
Quote from: wfolarry on January 01, 2016, 02:11:01 PM
I am now a distributor for these lifters. This is the original B lifter that came stock in the earlier Twin cams. The other lifter is a high performance version with slow leak down & pin oiling. I will be offering these at an introduction price of $69 [set of 4]for the B lifter & $99 for the performance lifter. This price will be good until March 1st. If you're doing a cam change & want some new lifters to go with it give them a try.
MADE IN THE USA
Humm I thought that18538-99 , was the Johnson and that a, and b were Delphi.
:up: congrats Larry - I've heard good things about these
The last set of lifters I had in my '02 FLHT before I traded it in were the Johnson-Hylift. They were nice & quiet.
Lil Chief
Larry...I know you like to use limiters in lifters.
Do those performance lifters have limiters in them?
Ray
Quote from: No Cents on January 02, 2016, 09:11:12 AM
Larry...I know you like to use limiters in lifters.
Do those performance lifters have limiters in them?
Ray
No they don't.
Will they support S&S limiter washers?
I there a particular cam profile or lift where the high performance lifter would be a better choice than the B lifter. In other words what criteria would I use to choose the B over the high performance and vice versa. Aslo haow can i order at the intro price , you website has the regular price listed.
Quote from: Ohio HD on January 02, 2016, 12:12:26 PM
Will they support S&S limiter washers?
I'll take one apart & see.
Quote from: jm7480 on January 02, 2016, 02:59:47 PM
I there a particular cam profile or lift where the high performance lifter would be a better choice than the B lifter. In other words what criteria would I use to choose the B over the high performance and vice versa. Aslo haow can i order at the intro price , you website has the regular price listed.
The springs, RPM & lift will all factor in. If you like running it hard get the performance lifter. If you're a cruiser get the standard lifter. That's the basics. PM me for the lifters. They're only advertised for that price here.
Quote from: Harley_Cruiser Rocker Lockers on January 01, 2016, 06:15:25 PM
Quote from: wfolarry on January 01, 2016, 02:11:01 PM
I am now a distributor for these lifters. This is the original B lifter that came stock in the earlier Twin cams. The other lifter is a high performance version with slow leak down & pin oiling. I will be offering these at an introduction price of $69 [set of 4]for the B lifter & $99 for the performance lifter. This price will be good until March 1st. If you're doing a cam change & want some new lifters to go with it give them a try.
MADE IN THE USA
Humm I thought that18538-99 , was the Johnson and that a, and b were Delphi.
You're right. I'm so used to calling the older stock lifters 'B lifters' that I wasn't thinking when I was typing. :embarrassed:
These lifters are the original design that was developed for the Twin Cam when they came out. These are different than the 'B' lifter which was a Delphi. I like these because they use a forged body & they're held to closer tolerances. Here's a link to an older thread about lifters dating back to 2009 that gives a good description of the lifters. See post 12.
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,14708.msg147892.html#msg147892 (http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,14708.msg147892.html#msg147892)
Quote from: wfolarry on January 04, 2016, 03:15:56 PM
Quote from: Harley_Cruiser Rocker Lockers on January 01, 2016, 06:15:25 PM
Quote from: wfolarry on January 01, 2016, 02:11:01 PM
I am now a distributor for these lifters. This is the original B lifter that came stock in the earlier Twin cams. The other lifter is a high performance version with slow leak down & pin oiling. I will be offering these at an introduction price of $69 [set of 4]for the B lifter & $99 for the performance lifter. This price will be good until March 1st. If you're doing a cam change & want some new lifters to go with it give them a try.
MADE IN THE USA
Humm I thought that18538-99 , was the Johnson and that a, and b were Delphi.
You're right. I'm so used to calling the older stock lifters 'B lifters' that I wasn't thinking when I was typing. :embarrassed:
These lifters are the original design that was developed for the Twin Cam when they came out. These are different than the 'B' lifter which was a Delphi. I like these because they use a forged body & they're held to closer tolerances. Here's a link to an older thread about lifters dating back to 2009 that gives a good description of the lifters. See post 12.
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,14708.msg147892.html#msg147892 (http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,14708.msg147892.html#msg147892)
Yes and the c is Mexican junk:-)
I have run two or three sets of the Johnsons with good luck, one set of the b because they were free.
Tell me why can we run the Delphi in our cars for 200k with no problem and the "experts" recommend changing them every 25 k in our bikes when they are baisicly the same lifter.
Are our bikes that hard on them or just that they cause more problems when they fail?
The way it was told to me they are that hard on them. That's why this lifter was designed to hold more oil. More of a 'cushion' effect. Whether that holds true or not I don't know. I think with more oil going to the top end it would help on some motors. Sometimes I see motors that are getting almost no oil to the top end. Others are fine.
Life for a lifter in an automotive engine - like being in a good bar fight. Life for a lifter in a built big cubic in v twin - like steppin in the ring with a ufc fighter. No comparison . Even similarily built drag car engines - the valve train only works at 25% of the torture that we inflict on our v twins.
Quote from: doubletrouble on January 06, 2016, 02:49:57 PM
Life for a lifter in an automotive engine - like being in a good bar fight. Life for a lifter in a built big cubic in v twin - like steppin in the ring with a ufc fighter. No comparison . Even similarily built drag car engines - the valve train only works at 25% of the torture that we inflict on our v twins.
But why? The lift is no higher, the ramp not steeper.
Quote from: wfolarry on January 05, 2016, 02:13:10 PM
The way it was told to me they are that hard on them. That's why this lifter was designed to hold more oil. More of a 'cushion' effect. Whether that holds true or not I don't know. I think with more oil going to the top end it would help on some motors. Sometimes I see motors that are getting almost no oil to the top end. Others are fine.
Larry, liquids can not be compressed. Physics 101. There should be no "cushion" effect when compressing oil unless it is aerated (or the tolerances are so loose there is leak-down). If the oil is aerated having more oil in the larger reservoir would be worse than a smaller chamber. It goes without saying, extra leak-down is not a desirable trait either. Is the bore larger radius or deeper to give this extra volume?
Could it be the chamber is made larger by increasing the inside diameter :scratch: which therefore makes it easier to machine to closer tolerances? Then the extra oil would only be an unintended byproduct of the machining a larger radius. :nix: It is also possible the larger piston face area would do more work per sq. in of pressure which would / could result in less movement of the piston in the bore on valve lift stroke.
Dont know how it compared to the oil in a car environment but the oil in a harley can contain a lot of entrained air. So much so that many report frothing in the oil tank.
Quote from: kd on January 07, 2016, 06:55:51 AM
Quote from: wfolarry on January 05, 2016, 02:13:10 PM
The way it was told to me they are that hard on them. That's why this lifter was designed to hold more oil. More of a 'cushion' effect. Whether that holds true or not I don't know. I think with more oil going to the top end it would help on some motors. Sometimes I see motors that are getting almost no oil to the top end. Others are fine.
Larry, liquids can not be compressed. Physics 101. There should be no "cushion" effect when compressing oil unless it is aerated (or the tolerances are so loose there is leak-down). If the oil is aerated having more oil in the larger reservoir would be worse than a smaller chamber. It goes without saying, extra leak-down is not a desirable trait either. Is the bore larger radius or deeper to give this extra volume?
Could it be the chamber is made larger by increasing the inside diameter :scratch: which therefore makes it easier to machine to closer tolerances? Then the extra oil would only be an unintended byproduct of the machining a larger radius. :nix: It is also possible the larger piston face area would do more work per sq. in of pressure which would / could result in less movement of the piston in the bore on valve lift stroke.
Bad wording on my part. What I was trying to get across was there was a bigger reservoir because there is more oil going to the top end. While I understand that liquids don't compress this isnt a sealed chamber. The 'cushion' effect I was referring to was the lifter wouldn't run dry.
Quote from: kd on January 07, 2016, 06:55:51 AM
Quote from: wfolarry on January 05, 2016, 02:13:10 PM
The way it was told to me they are that hard on them. That's why this lifter was designed to hold more oil. More of a 'cushion' effect. Whether that holds true or not I don't know. I think with more oil going to the top end it would help on some motors. Sometimes I see motors that are getting almost no oil to the top end. Others are fine.
Larry, liquids can not be compressed. Physics 101. There should be no "cushion" effect when compressing oil unless it is aerated (or the tolerances are so loose there is leak-down). If the oil is aerated having more oil in the larger reservoir would be worse than a smaller chamber. It goes without saying, extra leak-down is not a desirable trait either. Is the bore larger radius or deeper to give this extra volume?
Could it be the chamber is made larger by increasing the inside diameter :scratch: which therefore makes it easier to machine to closer tolerances? Then the extra oil would only be an unintended byproduct of the machining a larger radius. :nix: It is also possible the larger piston face area would do more work per sq. in of pressure which would / could result in less movement of the piston in the bore on valve lift stroke.
Actually they can.. Even solids can be compressed / stressed.. They just don't obey the gas laws... Your high school physics teacher was lying to you..
Quote from: wfolarry on January 05, 2016, 02:13:10 PM
The way it was told to me they are that hard on them. That's why this lifter was designed to hold more oil. More of a 'cushion' effect. Whether that holds true or not I don't know. I think with more oil going to the top end it would help on some motors. Sometimes I see motors that are getting almost no oil to the top end. Others are fine.
Is does as long as the volume is increased and lifter piston diameter not..
Didn't pay much attention in physics but my hydraulics teacher said oil compresses 1/10th of 1%. At what pressure I don't know but that was the number he threw out there.
:up: Good information 76.
Larry,
Would you mind posting some images of both lifters from top and bottom as well please?
Provided they're different in appearance of course, bigger oil holes, body thickness etc.
I have a set purported to be the standard Hylift Johnson.
Haven't used them as the oil holes and finish present poorly compared to the factory "C" lifters.
The higher quality lifter appears better finished in the image you've provided.
I'm a novice at this and appreciate the guidance.
Thanks.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/bulk-modulus-elasticity-d_585.html (http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/bulk-modulus-elasticity-d_585.html)
Here's a picture of the lifters that I sell
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Evo - Std. & Slow leak
Twin Cam - Std., Slow leak & Slow leak w/pin oiling.
Thanks Larry,
From the image it seems I have a set of the standard Hylift Johnson Lifters.
They'll be headed into a friends bike.
Thanks for posting the images.
I think Topline/Hylift has pulled off what Gaterman attempted to do but couldn't. It is my belief this is the lifter we have been waiting for.
Hoping so...I just ordered a bunch.
I will have some feedback soon...doing lots of motors right now and they're all getting these.
Quote from: sfmichael on March 02, 2016, 01:53:55 PM
Hoping so...I just ordered a bunch.
I will have some feedback soon...doing lots of motors right now and they're all getting these.
You should have bought them from me.
Quote from: wfolarry on March 02, 2016, 03:44:58 PM
Quote from: sfmichael on March 02, 2016, 01:53:55 PM
Hoping so...I just ordered a bunch.
I will have some feedback soon...doing lots of motors right now and they're all getting these.
You should have bought them from me.
:teeth:
I put Larry's performance lifters in my T/C 124 last night. I pulled out the S&S Premium limited travel lifters...and I must say my valve train went almost dead silent compared to the S&S lifters I was running.
These lifters amazed me at how much quieter they operate in my engine. :up: This is by far the quietest my valve train has been to date.
Ray
Curious here : are woods lifters also made by johnson ?
Quote from: No Cents on October 06, 2016, 08:54:57 AM
I put Larry's performance lifters in my T/C 124 last night. I pulled out the S&S Premium limited travel lifters...and I must say my valve train went almost dead silent compared to the S&S lifters I was running.
These lifters amazed me at how much quieter they operate in my engine. :up: This is by far the quietest my valve train has been to date.
Ray
...
Ray I can't wait to hear a report on these lifters after 5k miles and 10 k miles!
Your valvetrain being quiet is quite a testimony!
Hey Larry...I am under the impression you bench test the lifters you sell...is this so?
No. The bench test is older than I am & not very accurate.
I guarantee the ones I sell.
Quote from: wfolarry on October 31, 2016, 11:00:36 AM
No. The bench test is older than I am & not very accurate.
I guarantee the ones I sell.
Thanks for your quick reply!
QuoteCurious here : are woods lifters also made by johnson ?
The last I knew, Bobby was getting his lifters made by Morel.
Quote from: SP33DY on December 19, 2016, 07:06:35 AM
QuoteCurious here : are woods lifters also made by johnson ?
The last I knew, Bobby was getting his lifters made by Morel.
Thanks
Hey Larry
Any way I can get a set of premiums to Australia?
No problem.
Send me your email address [I'll send you a bill via paypal] & your shipping address.
Shipping down under is around $15
Send the info in a pm
installed SE255 cam and a set of new S & S standard lifters about 4000 miles ago, 3 of them are quiet but the front exhaust wants to tick sometimes, changes with RPM usually....adjusted it 3 or 4 times at different depths, no change.. maybe weak lifter, mabe something else? Don't want to swap same lifters just incase the one is bad
then have to take em out again, just want to replace one with a new one and see what happens...Been looking to buy just the one S & S lifter and hope thats the problem, can't find a place to buy just one. would it be unwise to run one different brand lifter( like the ones you recommend) or stay with all S&S. any suggestions ??? Thanks PS..2007 FLHR
Swap that lifter with the intake hole. If the sound goes away or follows the lifter you have your answer. If the new lifter in that position catches the tick, there is something else causing it to happen.
Quote from: kd on May 22, 2018, 06:01:22 PM
Swap that lifter with the intake hole. If the sound goes away or follows the lifter you have your answer. If the new lifter in that position catches the tick, there is something else causing it to happen.
Did you even read his post?
Yes I did. Kinda missed the fact he didn't want to switch out to test them though. :embarrassed: I will say that what the OP wants to do will not ensure his problem will be solved or he won't have to go back in and finally trouble shoot the issue. My apologies.
I'll sell you one Delphi lifter. Same as S&S if you want to try it. $20 shipped.
up date.....replaced the front exhaust lifter that was making noise with the lifter Larry sent me.... put a little over 200 miles on it yesterday and that solved the problem..thanks for shipping it out so quickly... :up:
great news :up: