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Title: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: gsgtrman on July 31, 2017, 11:11:48 AM
I have a 2004 FXSTI with TMax. A few weeks ago I ran out of gas just as I was pulling into a gas station (things could be worse I guess). I filled up, and rode it home, it ran fine. The next time I went for a ride, it was hard to start, which never happens. Once started, it ran good for most of the day. On the way home, as I leaned into an uphill curve to the left it acted like it was going to die then regained power; fine for the rest of the ride. I later tightened the battery connections, cleaned the IAC port, checked the O2 sensors in the TMax - all good. Took it for a short ride and it ran fine. Next ride, start it, it warms up then stalls. Starts right up again, then during the ride has another moment if hesitation in a curve. Last incident, the bike ran fine for about 10 miles then died at cruise speed on a straightaway, like it was being starved of fuel. It started up right away after, and ran fine for the rest of the afternoon about 100 miles with a couple of stops.
I changed the fuel filter and inner tank hose two summers ago, and have not ridden a lot since, maybe 3000 miles. It didn't give me any grief till I ran the tank out. If there are any suggestions that may lead me in the right direction for a fix (before I open up the tank and spend close to $150 on parts that may or may not fix the problem), I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: 02FYRFTR on July 31, 2017, 11:42:16 AM
Fuel filter !
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: smoserx1 on July 31, 2017, 01:03:37 PM
 :agree:
First thing I would check.  Running out of fuel can suck debris off the bottom of the tank.
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: gsgtrman on September 06, 2017, 12:22:00 PM
Ok, changed the fuel filter and checked everything in the tank. Was fine for a couple of rides, then happened again. What other possibilities could I look at?
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: Hossamania on September 06, 2017, 02:53:19 PM
Is that bike susceptible to a bad main breaker like many others? Asking the forum more than the gsgtrman. Might just try a new one, they are cheap.
Maybe a bad vent or gas cap?
Maybe disconnect and reconnect the fuel line at the tank, install a new o-ring?
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: MikeL on September 07, 2017, 07:35:01 AM
running out of gas with  fuel injection causes the electric motor to get hot. The fuel cools the motor. The motor could have over heated that 1 time causing damage to the motor internals causing the issues you have now.


                                                                                                  MIKE
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: FLHRI_2004 on September 07, 2017, 09:18:21 AM
Does your tank have the factory painted liner?  Is it flaking off and floating around in the tank?  My 2004 FLHRI did and it started flaking off after around 8 years or so but not so much to clog the fuel pickup.
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: fbn ent on September 07, 2017, 09:22:25 AM
Hook up an in line fuel pressure gauge and watch to see WTF. Could be something with the feed line from the tank....
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: gsgtrman on September 08, 2017, 06:46:52 AM
Thanks for replies and suggestions. The tank lining looked to be fully intact. I'll check over the rest of the suggestions. Although it's the first time I've run out of gas, it's not the first time I have run low. I didn't know the gas cooled the motor...  :oops:
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: FXDBI on September 08, 2017, 09:08:38 AM
Quote from: gsgtrman on September 08, 2017, 06:46:52 AM
Thanks for replies and suggestions. The tank lining looked to be fully intact. I'll check over the rest of the suggestions. Although it's the first time I've run out of gas, it's not the first time I have run low. I didn't know the gas cooled the motor...  :oops:

It would be more like the fuel pump motor would overheat from running with nothing going thru it. Like any positive displacement pump running dry. Not that its a gas cooled motor.  Bob
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: fbn ent on September 08, 2017, 09:18:08 AM
Cavitating the fuel pump just can't be a good thing. :dgust:
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: zj1182 on September 11, 2017, 07:04:54 AM
I had similar symptoms off and on for several weeks last summer on my '13 stock Heritage Softail 103 CI (including while "way out there" in Vieux Fort Quebec and Red Bay Labrador !! LOL!!).  Never got stranded, but worrisome being so far from any sort of service or parts.

Thought I had gotten bad gas on the Avalon Penninsula in Nrewfoundland. Tried drygas, octane booster, various incantations and imprecations, to no effect.  Had the air intake and IAC port cleaned of oil mist residue at a HD shop in Gander, NL  No change.

I took it in to Mile One HD in Mount Pearl Newfoundland and to Seacoast HD, my home dealer, in NH when I got home.  Despite diligent efforts, there was no unambiguous diagnosis from either.

Competing theories were intermittently malfunctioning IAC motor and head temp sensor.  I replaced both at first opportunity. Problem gone for good.  I don't know which was actually the problem.

Wish you the best.

PS: Although three HD dealerships could not diagnose problem, none told me they all do that.
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: gsgtrman on May 19, 2019, 12:21:18 PM
I realized that I had an open thread that I never posted my solution to... in any event the problem was a bad relay. Swapped them out after the bike wouldn't start for me, and it started up fine. I replaced both relays and have had no problems.
Check simple "Potty mouth" first. Sorry about the delay in posting.
Title: Re: Bike stalls warm then runs fine...
Post by: fbn ent on May 20, 2019, 07:07:14 AM
Glad you got it. Thanks for closing out the issue!  :up: