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Title: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on November 16, 2022, 01:44:33 PM
Had some unusual noise from my evo with the S&S put in years ago.
Sounded like collapsed lifter. So..... starting pulling the motor down.

More I got into it trying to figure out the problem more issues I found!

Time for a total engine rebuild.

Motor had gotten hot many times over the years, and I ran it pretty hard.
I'm not surprised after seeing the insides!

Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: kd on November 16, 2022, 04:29:39 PM
Oh yeah.  It was time.  you were lucky to not get stranded up the coast somewhere.
Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on November 16, 2022, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: kd on November 16, 2022, 04:29:39 PMOh yeah.  It was time.  you were lucky to not get stranded up the coast somewhere.


It used to be my long range bike back in the day.
Now I try to get 100 miles a month or so on it just to keep the oil circulating.

Fortunately I was only about 4 miles from home and nursed it back.

Bought the bike new in 1995 and quickly started with the upgrades!

It's a keeper!
 :missed:
Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: kd on November 16, 2022, 06:45:46 PM
Quote from: HogMike on November 16, 2022, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: kd on November 16, 2022, 04:29:39 PMOh yeah.  It was time.  you were lucky to not get stranded up the coast somewhere.


It used to be my long range bike back in the day.
Now I try to get 100 miles a month or so on it just to keep the oil circulating.

Fortunately I was only about 4 miles from home and nursed it back.

Bought the bike new in 1995 and quickly started with the upgrades!

It's a keeper!
 :missed:

Well it looked and sounded good when we met in 2015.
Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on November 17, 2022, 05:08:18 AM
Yup, ran strong until it didn't!

Ran it through the gears up a long grade into 4th and the shift to 5th when it lost power and got noisy! LOL

Valve guides are toast, valves look ok.

New pistons, pinion shaft, bearings, etc.
Going to take some time to get all the parts.

Gives me something to do for a month!
 :missed:  :emoGroan:
Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: wfolarry on November 17, 2022, 05:56:26 AM
The biggest thing with the 113 is the cases. Make sure you have them inspected. There can be problems you can't see.
Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on November 17, 2022, 09:00:54 AM
Quote from: wfolarry on November 17, 2022, 05:56:26 AMThe biggest thing with the 113 is the cases. Make sure you have them inspected. There can be problems you can't see.

Thank you for the heads up.
Bruce has his crank cases there also. The old race motor seems to be a little different than my 113, especially the heads.

We will for sure check the cases as long as we're this far! We have a guy here that is pretty familiar with the evo's and S&S.
:nix:
Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: jsachs1 on November 17, 2022, 01:35:28 PM
Ultima cases are the real deal for 113" replacements. :up:
John
Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on November 18, 2022, 03:51:20 AM
Quote from: jsachs1 on November 17, 2022, 01:35:28 PMUltima cases are the real deal for 113" replacements. :up:
John

Thanks, I have heard they have come a long way in QC over the years!
I'm not too sure the S&S parts are interchangeable with Ultimate though.
IE: flywheels, pinion shaft, pump, etc. etc.
Once we get things cleaned up and checked, we'll see.

I've had pretty good luck with S&S over the years including the crate motors and their sidewinder kits and would tend to stay with them.

This is not a high HP motor in the 1995, so I'm pretty sure just a good check on the rebuild will get me a few more years of reliability.
 :nix:
Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: Deye76 on November 18, 2022, 06:37:10 AM
Ultima uses the same 1/4" longer pinion shaft in their 113" as S&S does in their 113". Ultima cases will accommodate the S&S assembly.
Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on November 18, 2022, 07:07:02 AM
Quote from: Deye76 on November 18, 2022, 06:37:10 AMUltima uses the same 1/4" longer pinion shaft in their 113" as S&S does in their 113". Ultima cases will accommodate the S&S assembly.

Thanks
Good to know!
Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on December 21, 2022, 06:49:17 PM
Update......

Parts are in, motor starting to come together.
Heads done, new guides.
Seats, springs, valves all look good.
Lower end with new pinion shaft, lower end bearings, wrist pin bushings.
Cases and lower end will be together soon.

I'm hoping the barrels will clean up to 20 over. Not too keen to do the 30 over.
If they require 30 over I will probably just get new barrels.

Progress!
 :hug:
Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on December 22, 2022, 06:55:46 AM
Wheels

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Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on January 04, 2023, 11:58:02 AM
Progress!

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Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on March 01, 2023, 04:45:13 PM
Picked up the motor today.

It took longer due to parts availability and transportation issues as nobody will ship to CA anymore!

Gotta wait on my buddy to get it back in the frame. :hug:

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Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: Admiral Akbar on March 03, 2023, 10:28:20 AM
Mine is done.  I'm hung up on an IPB.  The BDL uses a 5205 that has been honed out about 1/4 thou.. The bearings I have are 0.004 over.. I'll setup my own.

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Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on March 03, 2023, 11:14:03 AM
Got, the motor in the frame, easy peasy with the overhead chain!

Now the cleanup and assembly starts!

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Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on March 07, 2023, 05:11:28 AM
More BEFORE pictures.....


Total cleanup and rebuild was in order.
Decided to replace the "mild" cam,

The bike is a solo ride and has plenty of power for me.
The clutch was marginal in the "before" state as I wanted the stock spring and added the extra plate friction pack. Clutch pull is easy for me and the bike is way fun in the twisties!

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Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: HogMike on March 13, 2023, 06:08:09 PM
Got the bike buttoned up this morning.
Did a few heat cycles, checked for leaks, oil pressure, etc.

Went for a short ride for gas. If we get some dry weather later this week I'll get 100 miles on it and change fluids.

Only glitch I had was the plug wires were switched. Won't start that way!
My bad!

Everything thing else went together smoothly.
 :missed:
Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: Admiral Akbar on March 14, 2023, 01:44:02 PM
Still working on mine..


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Title: Re: EVO with 113” S&S rebuild.
Post by: misfitJason on March 18, 2023, 11:13:18 AM
I want to see more pics of your bike Admiral