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M8 new case halves, cam, lifters and head

Started by roadglider08, August 05, 2018, 09:55:49 AM

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roadglider08

15,000 miles new case halves(lifter bores scores and lifter anti rotation bolt broken).   Upon reassemble dealer found rocker arm saddle cracked thru the bolt hole.   At 10,000 miles a new oil pump.

Reddog74usa

At the rate your going with this new M8 it will be even newer. Sucks hearing this about a brand new bike.
RIDE IT LIKE YA STOLE IT

happyman

Quote from: Reddog74usa on August 05, 2018, 10:14:46 AM
At the rate your going with this new M8 it will be even newer. Sucks hearing this about a brand new bike.
when will HD ever get the fix out?  never? then come out with a different design in another year or so if they are still afloat?  you just have to wonder how these issues are going to sell more bike.  when you see so many people with multiple issues and the people who work at the  dealership in so many instances outright  lying about the M8 saying they have never seen and issue.  when you know people who have had multiple issues.   it would appear to be login the company is telling these people just maybe to deny problems?  its a sad state of affairs and how to do business. people are not going to let it slide this time around you can bet.

KTA600

Pictures of said damage or it's just another butch session that suspect.

Sorry have not seen any of this reported damage posted on here or in a shop. Lol
Plus 1 post ?bitching...... yep troll on.
Lmao

happyman

Quote from: KTA600 on August 08, 2018, 07:46:57 AM
Pictures of said damage or it's just another butch session that suspect.

Sorry have not seen any of this reported damage posted on here or in a shop. Lol
Plus 1 post ?bitching...... yep troll on.
Lmao

Got to wonder who the so called troll really is here? 

PoorUB

I wonder too. One post, no response, no follow up.

If it was from someone  that has been  here and had posted before it would have some credibility.
I am an adult?? When did that happen, and how do I make it stop?!

KTA600

Quote from: PoorUB on August 08, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
I wonder too. One post, no response, no follow up.

If it was from someone  that has been  here and had posted before it would have some credibility.
There are a couple here I suspect that are only here to spread the BS and save us from ourselves. Most post nothing positive or helpful .
Yep trolls that don't even own and m8 or have even had one apart.

Ohio HD

Quote from: KTA600 on August 14, 2018, 06:59:55 AM
Quote from: PoorUB on August 08, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
I wonder too. One post, no response, no follow up.

If it was from someone  that has been  here and had posted before it would have some credibility.
There are a couple here I suspect that are only here to spread the BS and save us from ourselves. Most post nothing positive or helpful .
Yep trolls that don't even own and m8 or have even had one apart.
You guys should lighten up. roadglider08 has been on the board since 2012. Lots of members only come here to read and search for info. Just because he only posted once in six years doesn't make him a troll. Maybe he's never been frustrated over a new bike purchase before.



happyman

Quote from: Ohio HD on August 14, 2018, 07:31:36 AM
Quote from: KTA600 on August 14, 2018, 06:59:55 AM
Quote from: PoorUB on August 08, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
I wonder too. One post, no response, no follow up.

If it was from someone  that has been  here and had posted before it would have some credibility.
There are a couple here I suspect that are only here to spread the BS and save us from ourselves. Most post nothing positive or helpful .
Yep trolls that don't even own and m8 or have even had one apart.
You guys should lighten up. roadglider08 has been on the board since 2012. Lots of members only come here to read and search for info. Just because he only posted once in six years doesn't make him a troll. Maybe he's never been frustrated over a new bike purchase before.

not too sure who is being called a TROLL but I find it to be very insulting to call people  trolls, bitchers or just people spewing bs. calling people liars and making up stories.   I view  it  to be  a person who has no clue at all, or is a dealer who  wants to demonize  everyone who tells  the truth.  have been to several dealers, many who lie to you face  and say what issu s we have seen nothing,  when indeed you personally know  people who have purchased a bike from the very dealer and has had  multiple issues and huge down time.  yes not one not tow not three but several people and several dealers  who persist in the lies.   bull faced lies,  and that weather or not some want to admit, it  will be remembered  and you can bet there sales will take a hit for the despicable  lying.   yes we know the troll, they are the ones not willing  to admit the  reality of the failures . yes they are there,  not one or two  but  far too many failures of  the late models.  according  to some even one person  who says  they have a failure is lying. pretty pathetic response.     

Ohio HD

Quote from: happyman on August 14, 2018, 10:34:13 AM
Quote from: Ohio HD on August 14, 2018, 07:31:36 AM
You guys should lighten up. roadglider08 has been on the board since 2012. Lots of members only come here to read and search for info. Just because he only posted once in six years doesn't make him a troll. Maybe he's never been frustrated over a new bike purchase before.

not too sure who is being called a TROLL but I find it to be very insulting to call people  trolls, bitchers or just people spewing bs. calling people liars and making up stories.   I view  it  to be  a person who has no clue at all, or is a dealer who  wants to demonize  everyone who tells  the truth.  have been to several dealers, many who lie to you face  and say what issu s we have seen nothing,  when indeed you personally know  people who have purchased a bike from the very dealer and has had  multiple issues and huge down time.  yes not one not tow not three but several people and several dealers  who persist in the lies.   bull faced lies,  and that weather or not some want to admit, it  will be remembered  and you can bet there sales will take a hit for the despicable  lying.   yes we know the troll, they are the ones not willing  to admit the  reality of the failures . yes they are there,  not one or two  but  far too many failures of  the late models.  according  to some even one person  who says  they have a failure is lying. pretty pathetic response.   
You did read me response? I think I stated the same.

happyman

Quote from: Ohio HD on August 14, 2018, 10:38:15 AM
Quote from: happyman on August 14, 2018, 10:34:13 AM
Quote from: Ohio HD on August 14, 2018, 07:31:36 AM
You guys should lighten up. roadglider08 has been on the board since 2012. Lots of members only come here to read and search for info. Just because he only posted once in six years doesn't make him a troll. Maybe he's never been frustrated over a new bike purchase before.

not too sure who is being called a TROLL but I find it to be very insulting to call people  trolls, bitchers or just people spewing bs. calling people liars and making up stories.   I view  it  to be  a person who has no clue at all, or is a dealer who  wants to demonize  everyone who tells  the truth.  have been to several dealers, many who lie to you face  and say what issu s we have seen nothing,  when indeed you personally know  people who have purchased a bike from the very dealer and has had  multiple issues and huge down time.  yes not one not tow not three but several people and several dealers  who persist in the lies.   bull faced lies,  and that weather or not some want to admit, it  will be remembered  and you can bet there sales will take a hit for the despicable  lying.   yes we know the troll, they are the ones not willing  to admit the  reality of the failures . yes they are there,  not one or two  but  far too many failures of  the late models.  according  to some even one person  who says  they have a failure is lying. pretty pathetic response.   
You did read me response? I think I stated the same.

sorry,  I do thank you for the honesty~   can the public if there is  vin # look at the  SWR for that bike? I guess should be able to maybe on the  HD site is that correct?
  Thanks

rigidthumper

Any dealer can view the SWR, but you'll have to have a buddy with access to HDNET
Ignorance is bliss, and accuracy expensive. How much of either can you afford?



happyman

Quote from: 14GuineaPig on August 15, 2018, 04:14:39 AM
What is SWR?
Recall and or warranty  history. not positive but have been told this.

rigidthumper

Sales Warranty Record- any genuine HD accessory, installed within 60 days of bike purchase, should be listed on this form, as it provides custom coverage ( two years, unlimited mileage, just like the rest of the bike has when new)
Ignorance is bliss, and accuracy expensive. How much of either can you afford?

HD/Wrench

August 16, 2018, 08:09:13 AM #16 Last Edit: February 09, 2019, 12:08:19 PM by FSG
Just got another  M8 in for tune and found another broken cam bolt .  ( customer thought the lifters need to pump up and that the cam would be loud , IE woods cam   )  First one a shop ( not me) did the install. This one was a cam that customer did his own install .  :nix:
This last one was a mess but no case damage , pump plate lifters cam all junk . he only ran it for a short time , then onto trailer for tune to me


So to say that they have no issues ? Its not rumor what so ever they have issue's that is a fact . From the sumping , to plastic lifter holders that break , to cracked heads from the rocker arm bolt . and the cam bolt breakage is not new  either ,


and here are the pics to prove it   but as a shop I guess I am making this up ??  :hyst:














Nastytls

Did he re-use that bolt? Are they spec'd to be one time use stretch bolts, similar to brake rotor bolts etc?

Expensive mistake. :sick:


HD/Wrench

bolts get reused I would say 98% of the time as there is no new bolt in the kit from any one,,,,, HD does not tell you that its not re usable item.

You are talking about a 3/8 fine thread grade 8 bolt that is only tq'd to 35 ftlbs .. The bolt is over kill for that application. 

Now the one that I did and it broke took over 10,000 or 12,000 ( would have to pull it up inthe system but a bunch of miles )   ended up plugged a piston jet and hurt the rear cylinder . Was in fact a new bolt . I did the install and I use snap on digital wrench's . So I can say for 100% that is nothing more than a bolt failure .  ( stock HD bolt )

In this case I feel its the same thing, A few new M8 have had the failure and that is again a new bolt that HD installed


With that said I jut got my order of 1/4 drive  allen head cap screws  in and every bolt will be replaced  from now one . 

The build I did was a costly repair that I took care of 100% , year later as well

happyman

August 16, 2018, 11:48:48 AM #19 Last Edit: February 09, 2019, 12:10:01 PM by FSG
Quote from: GMR-PERFORMANCE on August 16, 2018, 08:09:13 AM
Just got another  M8 in for tune and found another broken cam bolt .  ( customer thought the lifters need to pump up and that the cam would be loud , IE woods cam   )  First one a shop ( not me) did the install. This one was a cam that customer did his own install .  :nix:
This last one was a mess but no case damage , pump plate lifters cam all junk . he only ran it for a short time , then onto trailer for tune to me


So to say that they have no issues ? Its not rumor what so ever they have issue's that is a fact . From the sumping , to plastic lifter holders that break , to cracked heads from the rocker arm bolt . and the cam bolt breakage is not new  either ,


and here are the pics to prove it   but as a shop I guess I am making this up ??  :hyst:
















seen this cam bolt puke twice on a personal bike. more to do with another issue that made them snap.  if that motor feels like it has a bit more vibration than most  it has crank and balancer problems just maybe, if its an early production  bagger specially  twin cooled 

KTA600

Quote from: GMR-PERFORMANCE on August 16, 2018, 11:45:15 AM
bolts get reused I would say 98% of the time as there is no new bolt in the kit from any one,,,,, HD does not tell you that its not re usable item.

You are talking about a 3/8 fine thread grade 8 bolt that is only tq'd to 35 ftlbs .. The bolt is over kill for that application. 

Now the one that I did and it broke took over 10,000 or 12,000 ( would have to pull it up inthe system but a bunch of miles )   ended up plugged a piston jet and hurt the rear cylinder . Was in fact a new bolt . I did the install and I use snap on digital wrench's . So I can say for 100% that is nothing more than a bolt failure .  ( stock HD bolt )

In this case I feel its the same thing, A few new M8 have had the failure and that is again a new bolt that HD installed


With that said I jut got my order of 1/4 drive  allen head cap screws  in and every bolt will be replaced  from now one . 

The build I did was a costly repair that I took care of 100% , year later as well
And that's why guys need to go to and Indy   U took care of a problem no matter what.  On the bolt     First one I did didn't feel rite. Now they get 25ftlbs. Next will be Allen bolts.

Prostock

I would have to think 25ftlb is plenty on a fine thread with lock tight.

topcat3815


PoorUB

A 3/8" UNF, Grade 8 bolt isn't even working hard at 35 ftlbs. It isn't the torque that is breaking that bolt, sssuming a quality bolt.
I am an adult?? When did that happen, and how do I make it stop?!

Ohio HD

I'll assume the torque is stressing it, as it's probably not a quality bolt.