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Title: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: Buglet on June 03, 2019, 05:13:39 AM
  Looking for an EVO low end cam for a 93" LC, GVW is about 1400#. I need something that will pull from the bottom and I can cruise about 80 MPR, Rpm will be between 3700-4000 
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: Buglet on June 05, 2019, 05:04:41 AM
    I guess there no shovelhead builders any more.
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: rigidthumper on June 05, 2019, 08:29:48 AM
A little more info may provide better advice- What compression, how are the heads set up ( clearance wise, port size, etc), do you have evo style valve train, what ratio rockers, etc.  Who did the lower end? 4000 RPM cruising on most shovel motors would require an extremely smooth balance job IMO.
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: 76shuvlinoff on June 05, 2019, 08:57:54 AM
In my 93 I am running an Andrews 7 on Jims (Shovel) lifters with top end evo style oiling with a 44mm CV carb ( I foget the jetting now.) 185 psi cylinder pressure. I think Andrews recommends a (C?) over 88 inches but I'm happy and long done chasing cams.

I know that's not your answer but you could probably look up the equivalent evo arrangement.
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: Burnout on June 05, 2019, 09:21:16 AM
I used a V-Thunder SHV-4040 in my 93" torque monster.

But that's not an EVO cam.

I wanted more lift but did not want to change over to EVO valve train as I had already shot my wad on the other upgrades.
And I did not want to go to solid lifters.
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: Buglet on June 05, 2019, 09:51:22 AM
   Ever thing is S&S so far except the cases,  comp. is going to be around 8.5 to 1. Evo style valve train. I'am doing the lower end. Right now the motor is just about stock and it has done 4000 RPM all day I just want to get a little more out of it. I have a BMW about the same GVW that handles 90 MPR no problem and it spoil me. 
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: Burnout on June 05, 2019, 11:32:26 AM
Quote from: BUGLET on June 05, 2019, 09:51:22 AM
   I have a BMW 

Beware of the dark side...

And keep your clutch splines lubed!   :soda:
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: JW113 on June 05, 2019, 12:29:34 PM
8.5:1 and EVO style tappet blocks? Maybe start with an Andrews EV-27.

-JW
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: Hillside Motorcycle on June 06, 2019, 03:26:38 AM
Quote from: BUGLET on June 03, 2019, 05:13:39 AM
  Looking for an EVO low end cam for a 93" LC, GVW is about 1400#. I need something that will pull from the bottom and I can cruise about 80 MPR, Rpm will be between 3700-4000

What is the compression ratio?
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: JW113 on June 06, 2019, 08:27:38 AM
In reply #5, he said 8.5:1.

By the way Buglet, if you speend a lot of time at 75-80mph, might consider dropping the final drive ratio a tad...

-JW
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: Burnout on June 06, 2019, 09:16:09 PM
Let it rev, it doesn't hurt them, until you get high enough to open up the big end of the rod.

Look at an Ironhead's RPM at high speeds....

If you gear it up that impacts low rpm areas harder than letting it rev.
Too Low of rpm tends to pound the rollers and doesn't throw as much oil up on the cylinders.
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: 76shuvlinoff on June 07, 2019, 02:53:34 AM
My FLH with the 93 has had a 24T motor, 37T clutch, 23T trans and 48T on the rear wheel (3.217) on basically stock size rubber for years. For this bike and my riding that works the best for loaded fat or just profiling. I've had that wheel sprocket from 51 down to 46.  It pulled the 46 but I was shifting ALL the time.
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: JW113 on June 07, 2019, 04:42:29 PM
Yes Ironheads spin higher, but they're only 1000cc and 3-13/16" stroke. And they are not typically considered "highway bikes". The point of taking some gear out is that it's a 93" w/ 4-1/2" stroke, and has plenty of torque to pull a taller gear without hurting anything at all. Hell, the later 80" EVO softails were geared 2:94:1 and had no problems pulling that. Mine included. At that gearing, it's 75mph @ 3000rpm. If you ask me, that is easier on the motor than reving the hell out of it for hours on end. And being a rigid mount, easier on your body as well!

-JW
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: Ohio HD on June 07, 2019, 05:05:04 PM
Agree, I always geared my stroker Shovels higher that OEM. OEM 4 speed gearing is on the low side as it is.

The bottom gear ratio is where I usually went with 4 speeds. It's pretty close to where my 124" FLHX is now.




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Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: Buglet on June 08, 2019, 11:23:03 AM
    The bike is a 82 FLT had it since new. The reason of the gear change was to kept the head temperature down. It drop the rear head down 150*. I'am hoping to go back to the stock gearing or I might change to a 6 speed I just have to get a custom main shaft.
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: JW113 on June 08, 2019, 07:51:45 PM
Bug, can you explain that? i.e. custom mainshaft? All of the Shovelhead 6 speeds that I'm aware of come as a whole transmission.

-JW
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: Ohio HD on June 08, 2019, 08:06:50 PM
JW I was assuming a four speed bike too, he has an FLT, a five speed.
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: JW113 on June 09, 2019, 10:46:57 AM
Got it! But I'm still not getting the mainshaft deal. Don't 6 into 5 setups come as a complete gearset hanging off a trap door?

-JW
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: Ohio HD on June 09, 2019, 11:04:35 AM
On later model five speeds, yes. On this early one, I'm not sure what's available for them.
Title: Re: Cam for LC 93"
Post by: Buglet on June 10, 2019, 06:00:45 AM
   The main shaft is different also the main drive gear and bearing is different. The only one that make a cassette to fit is Rev Tech. I would like to use an S&S or Baker. I have all three right now I'am working on a transmission case to work with the newer style main bearing and kept the in close rear chain which has being go to me the last 35 years and still has the OEM chain in it with about 90 k on it with only 3 or 4 adjustments on it.