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Well this caused a mess! Now what is a guy to do? 124", 111", 106 Kit?
2004 FLHTCi Dealer installed 95" Kit with SE211 cams, about 12k before I bought it
Yikes! Everyone's fear right there.
If you ride that bike a lot, as in touring miles, I'd consider putting together a 113" or 117" and use a solid crank as a base. Both are very smooth motors and can make a lot of get up and go. If it's a toy, go 124".
Best bang for the buck, Custom 124" kit. A couple of builders here have a touring version down to a science.
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How deep is you pocketbook? We need to know a "budget" :hyst: number before we can help you spend your money!
Long Distance Touring Rig, however, at times, I like to do the occasional smoky burn out. Passing giddy-up is a must. Cruising smoothness would be wanted
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Budget? Due to my job, not a real concern.
Would like to keep the belt drive
Any input on these head castings?
Quote from: 92flhtcu on December 11, 2018, 06:11:34 PM
Long Distance Touring Rig, however, at times, I like to do the occasional smoky burn out. Passing giddy-up is a must. Cruising smoothness would be wanted
Budget? Due to my job, not a real concern.
Would like to keep the belt drive
Any input on these head castings?
Any well designed touring 124" will smoke back tires until you exhaust even your tire budget.
I personally would not use those castings on a 124" engine.
What castings are these? I know the Mercury logo, but not this one.
Her's where it got a tad spendier
I'm not certain, but I thought the P signifies Parker? I'd talk to someone Like wfoLarry, ask him about them, and what you want to build. Get his take on the castings being capable. What you can run into when the cubic inches goes up, is a combustion chamber too small with standard TC heads, driving the compression high. How high, depends on what you build and what compression you need for it. The answer may be a used set of 110 take offs and have them ported. I'd ask whom ever will be doing the work.
Quote from: 92flhtcu on December 11, 2018, 07:18:44 PM
Her's where it got a tad spendier
Check your runout on that crank. It looks like it's out there. If you have to do the crank a new stroke of choice replacement is available at S&S so a 124 (4 5/8 crank) is the same cost as fixing yours with only one way shipping. Barrels, pistons, clutch, injectors / TB ..... what is your budget like. Do you want to do this again? 124 and done. :wink:
runout was a surprisingly .006, which is out of spec, but I thought it was going to be worse
I am surprised too. That pic of the pinion shaft looked like it was well worn enough to be wearing deep into the cam plate. Harley would tell you to use it at .006 but most would address it while it's apart for cleaning. Now comes the big $ decisions. Do I fix this crank or for the same $$ buy S&S 4 5/8 wheels? Are the barrels and pistons scored? Do I need to buy pistons and re-bore or should I get a set of 4.125 barrels with pistons fit?? Would this make a good Christmas gift and therefore make the disappointment of the lifter failure go away. I know what my answers would be. :wink: .... Not trying to over influence you either. :fish: The money has to be spent so now you decide what you want to end up with.
The dealer would put new lifters in and send you on your way.
Sell yourself, part number 488699 and be done with it. The S&S 111 has what you want, smooth reliable power with a two year warranty.
It's fun helping other people spend their money. :teeth:
Phil, other than awesome help, it's what this site does best!!
Yeah, I've been pondering that 111" since they came out.....However, a 106" is up there as well, and my cost diff from a 111" to 124" is under $400
And I call on Darkhorse, so there is that route as well....but I am leaning towards the 111", but only $400 to go 124" and round and round I go
92, the one thing you hear a lot here is "I wish I had done the 124 and got it over with the FIRST time". I don't think anyone from the 124 camp is trying to blow out your budget. They are just stating most wish they would have after they got used to the smaller alternative.
Just my experience. I have a 124 and a 117. Both great motors, both can be a touring bike motor. The 117 however is smoother at a steady run. Not that the 124 isn't smooth, it is. Just you can feel the cubic inches. It's nothing objectionable, but that's why a 117 is going back in the Ultra.
What combo makes a early Twinkie into a 117" ?
Cylinders, pistons not being re-used
Just heading out the door, be back on this evening, please help me spend more $
4 3/8" stroke wheels, 4 1/8" bore cylinders/pistons, case bore = 117.
That was my point about the wheels. The 177 will need the same case bore as the 124. You are left with a crank stroke decision. If you decide on the 117 you may even find a deal on a set of 4 3/8 stoke wheels. I believe there's a set in the Swap Section right now.
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=106356.0
Quote from: kd on December 12, 2018, 08:32:43 AM
That was my point about the wheels. The 177 will need the same case bore as the 124. You are left with a crank stroke decision. If you decide on the 117 you may even find a deal on a set of 4 3/8 stoke wheels. I believe there's a set in the Swap Section right now.
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=106356.0
Different year model.
You've been happy with a 95" ever since you bought it. If not, a bigger motor would have gone in there some time ago.
Sooo, while we are in there we get to fix it properly.
Darkhorse crank = yes.
Then one of the big bore options to 97" or 98" or 100" should do nicely.
New heavy duty crank-cases for the massive bore options gets you to 107" or so.
If not, then a nicely built touring spec 124" and have done with it.
trued and welded 4" crank = $500-$1200
new rings and clean up the cam chest
124 & be done.
I did the 107, then 110 with heads. Stopped at 110 because I didn't want to upgrade the transmission. Then I bought a Baker DD7. Now... :banghead:
Do the 124.
I'm not trying to spend your money for you...but I will say this...there is no replacement for displacement.
A mildly built 124 should give you many years of happiness.
Quote from: 92flhtcu on December 11, 2018, 06:11:34 PM
Long Distance Touring Rig, however, at times, I like to do the occasional smoky burn out. Passing giddy-up is a must. Cruising smoothness would be wanted
[attach=0,msg1271300]
Budget? Due to my job, not a real concern.
Would like to keep the belt drive
Any input on these head castings?
Well I probably the last one to or should give advice on a Harley . My 12 street glide I took to Colorado last summer with loaded two up with a tour pack . Damn sure was hot going there and coming back . Got in a storm and had to hammer down and it was way over the speed limit . But I did not have much choice at we had to get out of the storm . . The bike will get loose two up and shifting from 2 to 3 on dry payment wfo lol . For me I like the rush of running through the gears or just cruising two and headed on the inner state with the radio up and let it happen . Even two up it will get it done lol . I think the key to making power is a good set of heads built around a build that is made to do what you want . Every now an then I take it out by my self and let it rip and its a hoot to just roll on the throttle and it will get loose as hell in the lower gears. Sure there are faster bikes out there but not with the guys I ride with lol
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Quote from: kd on December 11, 2018, 07:52:22 PM
Quote from: 92flhtcu on December 11, 2018, 07:18:44 PM
Her's where it got a tad spendier
Check your runout on that crank. It looks like it's out there. If you have to do the crank a new stroke of choice replacement is available at S&S so a 124 (4 5/8 crank) is the same cost as fixing yours with only one way shipping. Barrels, pistons, clutch, injectors / TB ..... what is your budget like. Do you want to do this again? 124 and done. :wink:
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Quote from: 1workinman on December 12, 2018, 06:07:16 PMWell I probably the last one to or should give advice on a Harley . My 12 street glide I took to Colorado last summer with loaded two up with a tour pack . Damn sure was hot going there and coming back . Got in a storm and had to hammer down and it was way over the speed limit . But I did not have much choice at we had to get out of the storm . . The bike will get loose two up and shifting from 2 to 3 on dry payment wfo lol . For me I like the rush of running through the gears or just cruising two and headed on the inner state with the radio up and let it happen . Even two up it will get it done lol . I think the key to making power is a good set of heads built around a build that is made to do what you want . Every now an then I take it out by my self and let it rip and its a hoot to just roll on the throttle and it will get loose as hell in the lower gears. Sure there are faster bikes out there but not with the guys I ride with lol
Heck, it don't take too much to have a bike that will roll down the highway way past the speed limit! I had a mild 95" in my '05 Ultra packed up for the trip with my wife on back and we out ran a storm leaving Newell, SD. We averaged 95 MPH between Newell and Eagle Butte. That Ultra would break the back tire or lift the front tire if I hit it hard in first gear.
Ya that 4" stroke feels right at home at 4500rpm, and with 1500 more to play with.
Clean it up and run it while you keep your eye out for a crate motor sale
Y2, it is winter here, so no need to patch it up to run it. This happened on my way to Sturgis this summer, rolling 90 on 90. Oil Pressure Gauge started to just flutter a bit which is not normal, watched it a few secs, thinking cheap harley gauges, then backed off and psi went up! Got back in it easy and it started fluttering and dropping so I was right at an exit west of Wall and was able to just make it off(sitting on the side of 90 would suck)
Let it cool for 40 mins(you know, maybe it will fire up and be good) As I ride with a Full Face and ear plugs, I could not hear anything.
Well after letting it sit 40 mins while I had a attitude adjust and a bottle of water. Started up and sounded like a handful of forks in a garbage disposal.
Also, being in the industry, I have different options than most as far as cost of this all
Quote from: 92flhtcu on December 13, 2018, 07:45:09 AM
Y2, it is winter here, so no need to patch it up to run it. This happened on my way to Sturgis this summer, rolling 90 on 90. Oil Pressure Gauge started to just flutter a bit which is not normal, watched it a few secs, thinking cheap harley gauges, then backed off and psi went up! Got back in it easy and it started fluttering and dropping so I was right at an exit west of Wall and was able to just make it off(sitting on the side of 90 would suck)
Let it cool for 40 mins(you know, maybe it will fire up and be good) As I ride with a Full Face and ear plugs, I could not hear anything.
Well after letting it sit 40 mins while I had a attitude adjust and a bottle of water. Started up and sounded like a handful of forks in a garbage disposal.
Also, being in the industry, I have different options than most as far as cost of this all
I gotcha. Sometime I envy you guys that have seasons.
Quote from: Y2KRKNG on December 13, 2018, 01:08:16 PM
Quote from: 92flhtcu on December 13, 2018, 07:45:09 AM
Y2, it is winter here, so no need to patch it up to run it. This happened on my way to Sturgis this summer, rolling 90 on 90. Oil Pressure Gauge started to just flutter a bit which is not normal, watched it a few secs, thinking cheap harley gauges, then backed off and psi went up! Got back in it easy and it started fluttering and dropping so I was right at an exit west of Wall and was able to just make it off(sitting on the side of 90 would suck)
Let it cool for 40 mins(you know, maybe it will fire up and be good) As I ride with a Full Face and ear plugs, I could not hear anything.
Well after letting it sit 40 mins while I had a attitude adjust and a bottle of water. Started up and sounded like a handful of forks in a garbage disposal.
Also, being in the industry, I have different options than most as far as cost of this all
I gotcha. Sometime I envy you guys that have seasons.
If you are including a real winter as one of those seasons, you have no reason to be envious, trust me.
Y2, just head up by Hoss or myself and spend some Tourism Dollars, rent a cabin and a couple sleds, spend some real dough! Our Winter is nice in small doses, say a week in Late February
A week ago of winter here is plenty.
Quote from: PoorUB on December 12, 2018, 07:06:45 PM
Quote from: 1workinman on December 12, 2018, 06:07:16 PMWell I probably the last one to or should give advice on a Harley . My 12 street glide I took to Colorado last summer with loaded two up with a tour pack . Damn sure was hot going there and coming back . Got in a storm and had to hammer down and it was way over the speed limit . But I did not have much choice at we had to get out of the storm . . The bike will get loose two up and shifting from 2 to 3 on dry payment wfo lol . For me I like the rush of running through the gears or just cruising two and headed on the inner state with the radio up and let it happen . Even two up it will get it done lol . I think the key to making power is a good set of heads built around a build that is made to do what you want . Every now an then I take it out by my self and let it rip and its a hoot to just roll on the throttle and it will get loose as hell in the lower gears. Sure there are faster bikes out there but not with the guys I ride with lol
Heck, it don't take too much to have a bike that will roll down the highway way past the speed limit! I had a mild 95" in my '05 Ultra packed up for the trip with my wife on back and we out ran a storm leaving Newell, SD. We averaged 95 MPH between Newell and Eagle Butte. That Ultra would break the back tire or lift the front tire if I hit it hard in first gear.
Sound good to me , I never tried that in first I just happen to have it get loose from 2 to 3 gear up shift lol my 124 is just a middle of the road performance engine lol
Well, been awhile, long cold winter, I went with a different plan. Going with stuff that I sell, and I can use my bike as a sales tool at dealer events, etc.
Darkhorse Crank, H-Beam rods, Timken conversion(why not, I'm that far) Updated Cam Bores
100" S&S Power Pkg with EZ Start Gear Drives, had Suburban do my heads(they owed me a favor)
Parts are all here, now a matter of getting 'er done, broke in and tuned
Really, really wrestled with just going a 124, but it is what it is.....and i really wanted to see what a "rebuilt w/ 100" will be like as I have not driven one
Sounds like a you will have a great running bike. Good on you, for using the parts you sell. :up: :up:
Quote from: Ohio HD on December 12, 2018, 07:44:56 AM
Just my experience. I have a 124 and a 117. Both great motors, both can be a touring bike motor. The 117 however is smoother at a steady run. Not that the 124 isn't smooth, it is. Just you can feel the cubic inches. It's nothing objectionable, but that's why a 117 is going back in the Ultra.
Right here is what everybody seems to miss,,,,,,,Smooth
yeah but that Ohio HD is a smooth operator :SM:
I'm thinking this square 100" er should be smooth
I had a 100" S&S Evo crate motor in a bagger a number of years ago. Smoothest motor in my experience.