HarleyTechTalk

Dyno & Tuning Zone => AFR & Tuning Zone => Topic started by: Fritzables on June 15, 2019, 09:05:02 PM

Title: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: Fritzables on June 15, 2019, 09:05:02 PM
Hi All,

I have a 2017 Fat Boy with Stage-IV and use the TTS DBC600-01-A0 file modified.
I use 98 Octane fuel and have advanced the Front & Rear Timing Maps a few degrees.
At idle I have 21 degrees.

With the engine running or look at VTune data, I only see 12 degrees advance at idle.

Why would this be the case?

Title: Re: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: Hilly13 on June 15, 2019, 11:11:24 PM
Spark temp correction table?
Title: Re: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: Fritzables on June 16, 2019, 12:30:08 AM
G'Day Mate,

Yep, all timing related tables are as they should be.
The Temp Correction is 0 Degrees in all cells around 30kPa.
Title: Re: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: Hilly13 on June 16, 2019, 01:00:54 AM
Sorry mate I don't know why it would do that, hopefully someone that can help will chime in.
Title: Re: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: rigidthumper on June 16, 2019, 05:44:44 AM
Post the map used & data master file?
Title: Re: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: Txwezl on June 16, 2019, 11:21:35 AM
closed throttle spark tables?
Title: Re: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: Fritzables on June 16, 2019, 01:00:55 PM
See attached.
Data file too large to upload - unless you know a way of uploading a 2 Meg ZIP file.

[attach=0]
Title: Re: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: Hilly13 on June 16, 2019, 05:24:43 PM
Quote from: Txwezl on June 16, 2019, 11:21:35 AM
closed throttle spark tables?

That's probably it, they take over spark temp correction and main spark tables when the throttle is shut.


If I remember right there was a discussion about setting them the same as your main spark table some time ago, probably years now.
Title: Re: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: rigidthumper on June 16, 2019, 07:02:44 PM
Other than having a huge amount of advance for a higher compression motor, nothing way out of the ordinary.
Email me the data file.
r dot thiem at att dot net
Title: Re: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: Fritzables on June 16, 2019, 07:23:23 PM
I have placed the Data files into DropBox:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/56ssaana12vlbay/DATA-r02.zip?dl=0
Title: Re: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: Sunny Jim on June 27, 2019, 04:13:36 PM
I zero my closed throttle spark by temp table and set my timing at 22 degrees.
Title: Re: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: Fritzables on June 27, 2019, 06:27:04 PM
Hey Sunny Jim,  by Zeroing the Closed Throttle, wouldn't also give you 0-Degrees at Idle irrespective of that you Timing tables have?

Pete
Title: Re: Ignition Advance? (TTS)
Post by: Sunny Jim on June 30, 2019, 03:05:49 AM
Fritz. My apologies ! I wasn't on the ball when I read your message. I was referring to closed throttle spark and idle spark control as seen on a PV .
For what it's worth I set my closed throttle at 22 degrees
And I set my idle spark control gain to Zero.
The bike idles well. Unlike myself!