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Title: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: Jamie Long on February 14, 2019, 10:43:46 AM
We get a lot of customers asking about potential issues when removing the bolts that retain the factory plastic lifter cuffs on Milwaukee 8 engines. It is very common to replace these cuffs with aftermarket billet cuffs like the ones offered from S&S Cycle. Unfortunately there is an overabundance of loctite on these bolts and some (including ourselves) have broke the bolts off in the engine case; Ugh!

Fortunately we've found an effective, easy step which has eliminated the issues we were encountering. Once we have the cam chest disassembled we use a heat gun to heat the engine case from the inner camchest side (as shown in the image below), it only takes about 5 minutes of heat and the bolt's screw out with ease.

Not revolutionary or rocket science by any means, just a quick tip that may save on some headaches.

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Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: fairlydangerous1 on February 14, 2019, 10:53:48 AM
This should probably be a "paste" on most of the forums. Thanks Jamie.
Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: 1workinman on February 14, 2019, 05:23:04 PM
Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: Maddo Snr on February 14, 2019, 05:30:10 PM
Good tip Jamie, thank you.  :up:
Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: IronButt70 on February 15, 2019, 05:46:19 AM
Always find a new use for what we used to call in the marine industry a smoke wrench.  :SM:
Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: klammer76 on February 15, 2019, 08:31:26 AM
Thanks Jamie. I saw it on your FB page also.

This should be a sticky in the M8 section.
Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: Moparnut72 on February 15, 2019, 10:52:54 AM
When I worked in the aircraft shop we replaced the heat gun on a regular basis. It was in constant use. The Makita was the one that lasted the longest.

On a side light I wonder if HD has stock in a thread locking manufacturer. They seem to use that stuff on everything. Is that to prevent the Waddington Effect from striking?     :potstir:
Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: BVHOG on February 16, 2019, 08:17:18 AM
Steve (GMR) had brought this up on here a while back and he uses a bit of penetrating oil on the bolt after breaking them loose and then working back and forth a bit. In my experience they turn out a turn or two before becoming  "bound up". They remind me of the IAC bolts on the early twincams
Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: cmashark on February 16, 2019, 01:31:37 PM
I was thinking about starting the cam swap while the engine was hot.  Cut the pushrods and remove the lifter blocks/guides, then wait till it cools before moving on.  I've only done one M8 cam swap, so far, and didn't have any issues. I don't remember if I used blue or red locktite... probably red when I reassembled it.  Are the shops studding them or reusing the bolts?  I've always bought new bolts for the cam and crank when doing twin cams and the one M8.

Edit:  I guess I can't spell.
Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: JMHD on February 16, 2019, 03:27:08 PM
When the M8 first came out the factory told us as a tech tip that when you work on the engine you should ride it first to get it hot to ease the removal of the loctited bolts. :cry:
Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: BVHOG on February 17, 2019, 09:30:45 AM
Quote from: JMHD on February 16, 2019, 03:27:08 PM
When the M8 first came out the factory told us as a tech tip that when you work on the engine you should ride it first to get it hot to ease the removal of the loctited bolts. :cry:
Using that logic then there would be no need for loctite in the first place, unless they are worried about bolts backing out when the bike is sitting cold
Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: JMHD on February 17, 2019, 01:21:48 PM
It does sound funny, same principal as the heat gun i guess. Just gotta work fast and burn your hands. lol :hyst: :nix:
Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: les on February 17, 2019, 04:18:37 PM
Thank you, Jamie.
Title: Re: M8 lifter tappet cuff bolt removal tips
Post by: HD/Wrench on February 22, 2019, 06:36:32 AM
Quote from: BVHOG on February 16, 2019, 08:17:18 AM
Steve (GMR) had brought this up on here a while back and he uses a bit of penetrating oil on the bolt after breaking them loose and then working back and forth a bit. In my experience they turn out a turn or two before becoming  "bound up". They remind me of the IAC bolts on the early twincams


:up: :up:   You have guys that do not own a heat gun , and most guys have some sort of penetrating oil in the shop   KISS . HA HA