Have 2016 street glide I originally installed cycle Rama 570-2 cams but now want some more power.
New build is the following:
Fuel Moto 110 drop in kit 10.25:1 CR
Fuel Moto level B heads
Cycle Rama 575 cams
D&D fat cat 2 into 1
Boyessen power X intake
Hoping for 125ishTQ what do you guys think?
This build comes to mind...
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=100377.0 (http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=100377.0)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RlPRfubqc
👍👍 I think this one popped 130 ft/lbs at under 10.25:1
I'm doing a 107" with this cam real soon!
that'll do it :up:
125 ft/lbs is certainly to be expected.
Rossiter, HD, in Saratota, Fla, tuned a 110"/.575 combo to 113+ hp, and 131+ ft/lbs some time ago.
Fuel Moto Level B CNC includes the following:
Complete disassembly, inspection, and cleaning of cylinder heads
Extensive CNC porting, texturing, and blending with an emphasis on best all around performance
Oversize Stainless 1.900" Intake 1.610" Exhaust valves
Newen Contour-BB CNC valve job
Our beehive style valve springs are manufactured from ultra clean high silicon / vanadium Kobe alloy wire and are certified up to .600 lift
CC combustion chamber, set to desired spec
Machine/Install compression releases if required (+$100.00)
Exchange with core charge or 2 week turnaround on customer supplied heads
Is this amount of headwork nessicary for this cam to perform optimally??? Will it perform any better with the larger valves and are heavier springs nessicary?
What Throttle Body and injectors?
Quote from: 838 on August 24, 2018, 11:54:56 AM
Fuel Moto Level B CNC includes the following:
Complete disassembly, inspection, and cleaning of cylinder heads
Extensive CNC porting, texturing, and blending with an emphasis on best all around performance
Oversize Stainless 1.900" Intake 1.610" Exhaust valves
Newen Contour-BB CNC valve job
Our beehive style valve springs are manufactured from ultra clean high silicon / vanadium Kobe alloy wire and are certified up to .600 lift
CC combustion chamber, set to desired spec
Machine/Install compression releases if required (+$100.00)
Exchange with core charge or 2 week turnaround on customer supplied heads
Is this amount of headwork nessicary for this cam to perform optimally??? Will it perform any better with the larger valves and are heavier springs nessicary?
Probably not completely necessary but they offer a core exchange program so my bike didn't have a few weeks down time waiting on heads to be ported
Now would their be any reason to install a cam that utilizes all that head work (your spending the coin, and cams dont vary all that much is cost)? I'm thinking T-Man offers some high lift cams with earler intake closing that could be fun to look in to... I'm guessing Fuel Moto doesn't stock T-Man though...
Not trying to deter the CR575 choice. I liked (when I was working on my 107") to get several options from others... I was looking at CR575, kuryakyn 24 (I think it was 24...), Wood's 5-6, Woods 7H (+4), Andrews 57... even a few others.
I went with the CR575... Parts are still in the shop... haven't tore the bike down yet.
Quote from: lowflight on August 24, 2018, 03:37:10 PM
What Throttle Body and injectors?
Was gunna keep both stock unless my dyno tuner tells me I need 5 or 5.3 injectors while he's breaking it in. I've had multiple shops tell me they've used the stock injectors in 110 builds with no problems
I've read the rule book, but am new here so not sure on the etiquette. But the build shown in the youtube link above (110" with 132TQ) is described in another forum. I've been following it as a 110" build at 130+TQ at 10.1 C/R is right up my alley.
If allowed, I will post link if anyone is interested.
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=99708.msg1166148#msg1166148 (http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=99708.msg1166148#msg1166148)
110" stock TB and injectors I believe
98"
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=105628.msg1255128#msg1255128 (http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=105628.msg1255128#msg1255128)
103"
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=104160.msg1231898#msg1231898 (http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=104160.msg1231898#msg1231898)
Here are a couple of the 110" motors. One makes power about everywhere, the other low end grunt with very little investment.
Smarty's build, a little bit of everything in there.
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=97778.msg1140564#msg1140564 (http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=97778.msg1140564#msg1140564)
A budget build posted by Rigidthumper, a lot of stock and some cubic inches makes a nice cruiser.
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=97475.msg1136873#msg1136873 (http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=97475.msg1136873#msg1136873)
Just did a FM 110 drop on a 14 RK. Same exhaust and Woods 777. Stock TB and injectors. Pulled 129 and 119 in 4th.
Quote from: 838 on August 24, 2018, 11:54:56 AM
Fuel Moto Level B CNC includes the following:
Complete disassembly, inspection, and cleaning of cylinder heads
Extensive CNC porting, texturing, and blending with an emphasis on best all around performance
Oversize Stainless 1.900" Intake 1.610" Exhaust valves
Newen Contour-BB CNC valve job
Our beehive style valve springs are manufactured from ultra clean high silicon / vanadium Kobe alloy wire and are certified up to .600 lift
CC combustion chamber, set to desired spec
Machine/Install compression releases if required (+$100.00)
Exchange with core charge or 2 week turnaround on customer supplied heads
Is this amount of headwork nessicary for this cam to perform optimally??? Will it perform any better with the larger valves and are heavier springs nessicary?
Truth is it's a bolt in cam
Even with the larger valves the stock springs are more than adequate.....not opinion ...fact
Plenty of info about those cams and what they are capable of.....they respond well to headwork as do most any other cam
Quote from: ridealive1911 on October 02, 2018, 06:02:20 PM
Just did a FM 110 drop on a 14 RK. Same exhaust and Woods 777. Stock TB and injectors. Pulled 129 and 119 in 4th.
Stock heads or ported with stock T/B ?
Post the sheet please 130 tq and 119 HP in 4th gear so add 4-6 on the tq for a 1:1 gear ratio pull . Stock T/B making 119 hp ?
In my experience the t/b is good for 115 avg never seen one do 120 Hp and I have tuned a 124 that had a stock t/b in fact several , Just tuning not my idea of a good build but the HP does not get there when a stock T/B is used .
The S&S 110 drop on kit is a great kit and I have built and tuned well over 200 of these now . The dyno section has many I have posted , the are very repeatable for sure
Quote from: dheath9994 on August 23, 2018, 03:25:10 PM
Have 2016 street glide I originally installed cycle Rama 570-2 cams but now want some more power.
New build is the following:
Fuel Moto 110 drop in kit 10.25:1 CR
Fuel Moto level B heads
Cycle Rama 575 cams
D&D fat cat 2 into 1
Boyessen power X intake
10.1, (not 10.0) is where we've signed off with at cam.
You should not have ANY problem whatsoever achieving 125 ft/lbs with that combo.
Seen 113/131 semi-same, sae.
Hoping for 125ishTQ what do you guys think?
Quote from: GMR-PERFORMANCE on October 04, 2018, 08:35:52 AM
Quote from: ridealive1911 on October 02, 2018, 06:02:20 PM
Just did a FM 110 drop on a 14 RK. Same exhaust and Woods 777. Stock TB and injectors. Pulled 129 and 119 in 4th.
Stock heads or ported with stock T/B ?
Post the sheet please 130 tq and 119 HP in 4th gear so add 4-6 on the tq for a 1:1 gear ratio pull . Stock T/B making 119 hp ?
My mistake, I hit the 9 instead of 3. It is 113 and 130. Ported heads and stock TB and inj.
In my experience the t/b is good for 115 avg never seen one do 120 Hp and I have tuned a 124 that had a stock t/b in fact several , Just tuning not my idea of a good build but the HP does not get there when a stock T/B is used .
The S&S 110 drop on kit is a great kit and I have built and tuned well over 200 of these now . The dyno section has many I have posted , the are very repeatable for sure
That sheet is missing the correction factor and the scale is a little out of the norm too. Air fuel flat(ish) at 12.3 to 12.5 on both cylinders ? :scratch:
Just an update to everyone motor is currently being built I opted to return the Fuel Moto heads and just get my factory heads worked and also my stock throttle body will be ported and polished to match heads. Still stock injectors unless tuner says they need to be bigger and I had my bottom end trued, welded and balanced with a timken swap as well. Hoping for a power yet reliable build
Also went with a upgraded cam plate and oil pump
sounds like progress :up:
I have tested many of the ported t/b deals and never saw the gain " they " said it would do lots of excuses , though that was still there and ohh yea cost that was still there ,
buy a 58 add the larger 5.3 injectors . With decent ported heads the larger injectors would be my suggestion
Quote from: dheath9994 on October 18, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
Just an update to everyone motor is currently being built I opted to return the Fuel Moto heads and just get my factory heads worked and also my stock throttle body will be ported and polished to match heads. Still stock injectors unless tuner says they need to be bigger and I had my bottom end trued, welded and balanced with a timken swap as well. Hoping for a power yet reliable build
What cam and CI will you end up with?
Quote from: GMR-PERFORMANCE on October 19, 2018, 05:53:31 AM
I have tested many of the ported t/b deals and never saw the gain " they " said it would do lots of excuses , though that was still there and ohh yea cost that was still there ,
buy a 58 add the larger 5.3 injectors . With decent ported heads the larger injectors would be my suggestion
^^^this
Quote from: 1FSTRK on October 21, 2018, 08:34:27 AM
Quote from: dheath9994 on October 18, 2018, 04:11:44 PM
Just an update to everyone motor is currently being built I opted to return the Fuel Moto heads and just get my factory heads worked and also my stock throttle body will be ported and polished to match heads. Still stock injectors unless tuner says they need to be bigger and I had my bottom end trued, welded and balanced with a timken swap as well. Hoping for a power yet reliable build
What cam and CI will you end up with?
110 cubic inches & cycle Rama 575 cam
Quote from: GMR-PERFORMANCE on October 19, 2018, 05:53:31 AM
buy a 58 add the larger 5.3 injectors . With decent ported heads the larger injectors would be my suggestion
:agree:
~John
Just got all my parts back from the machine shop hopefully it'll all be out back together in a few days. Ended up doing a little more work than I expected
-Bored and polished the stock throttle body
-Ported and polished heads and put in larger valves
-trues, welded and balanced flywheel. Also replaced crank pin with S&S pin and bushings with S&S then heat treated the rods
-timken conversion on the left case
Here's rest of work
Certainly looks like you spent the money in the right places. Looking forward to hearing how it goes together, and how much fun it is.
That looks a nice job on boring and cleaning up the TB and it would have to do better than stock but I believe the issue with them on bigger engines is the volume of the unit rather than the finish, I could be wrong of course but that is what my personal experience supports.
I was told by the shop doing the work that 110s lose some bottom end grunt with the 58mm TB and the machinist only wanted $100 to bore the stock so I figured I'd give it a try and worst case scenario I'll end up replacing it for a 58 down the road. I'm hoping to have the most power possible in the 2500-4000 range where I do 99% of my riding
Also I know dark horse typically replaces the rods with their in house H beams. Have any of you ever heard of or had a shop heat treat the factory rods instead?
Who did you have doing the work for you?
looks good :up:
Quote from: dheath9994 on November 10, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
I was told by the shop doing the work that 110s lose some bottom end grunt with the 58mm TB and the machinist only wanted $100 to bore the stock so I figured I'd give it a try and worst case scenario I'll end up replacing it for a 58 down the road. I'm hoping to have the most power possible in the 2500-4000 range where I do 99% of my riding
I have a 58 on my 103 and it make huge TQ low in the RPM range. In the dyno section.
Quote from: Ohio HD on October 02, 2018, 04:21:06 PM
Here are a couple of the 110" motors. One makes power about everywhere, the other low end grunt with very little investment.
Smarty's build, a little bit of everything in there.
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=97778.msg1140564#msg1140564 (http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=97778.msg1140564#msg1140564)
A budget build posted by Rigidthumper, a lot of stock and some cubic inches makes a nice cruiser.
http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=97475.msg1136873#msg1136873 (http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=97475.msg1136873#msg1136873)
Tried to bring up Smarty's build, but image is gone, couldn't bring it up out of photobucket, either... :idunno:
Just an update finally got her on the dyno smile every time I see that torque curve
that torque looks awesome :up: :up:
well done :beer:
:up: It looks like you have it where you wanted.
What did they bore the TB to?
I ended up going with what mine needed instead of what it could handle.
They never gave me a new MM on the specs sheet but it doesn't look much larger just polished up nice. They matched the TB to the intake (also was ported and polished) and matched the intake to the heads. Figured it wouldn't do much but the intake and TB were only an extra $50 so I figured might as well