126" Rebuild

[pwmorris]

My twin cam FXR motor was smoking after nearly 8 years or hard riding so we did a tear down. So far found a bad valve guide seal, bad o ring on the gear drive pump and possibly a sticky/obstructed check valve on the pump supply side, and the rings are showing their age. Lots of oil in cam chest and quite a bit of sumping. Still some more inspection to do but no major damage and bottom end looks good. It is an amazing engine and look forward to getting it back on the road as it has been so good to me for so many years.
Going to bump compression with a piston upgrade (.10 over) but still run pump gas, .675 ez starts, S&S premium lifters with limiters and B2 heads have been sent out for some work as well as new springs and valves.
Hopefully won't be long till we get it all back together. Stay tuned.

[Merc63]

Ohhhhhh boy.  What comp r u going to run ?

Who's doing the head work on it?

Are you keeping the 1.725 rockers on intake with the new cam?

I'm excited to see what you put down. Sorry for all the Qs

[pwmorris]

Ohhhhhh boy.  What comp r u going to run ?

Who's doing the head work on it?

Are you keeping the 1.725 rockers on intake with the new cam?

I'm excited to see what you put down. Sorry for all the Qs

Comp will definitely be stronger than my old 10.5 but we will see where we end up based on the heads. This will still be a daily driven pump gas street bike.
Steve Allsteadt (SA Racing) is doing the heads and yeah 1.7 rockers are in the future 

[WideWildGlide]

 that 10.5 corrected with ss 675?

[No Cents]

 
sounds like a plan Paul.
Glad to hear it is a simple fix...and nothing major.
Ray

[Hillside Motorcycle]

My twin cam FXR motor was smoking after nearly 8 years or hard riding so we did a tear down. So far found a bad valve guide seal, bad o ring on the gear drive pump and possibly a sticky/obstructed check valve on the pump supply side, and the rings are showing their age. Lots of oil in cam chest and quite a bit of sumping. Still some more inspection to do but no major damage and bottom end looks good. It is an amazing engine and look forward to getting it back on the road as it has been so good to me for so many years.
Going to bump compression with a piston upgrade (.10 over) but still run pump gas, .675 ez starts, S&S premium lifters with limiters and B2 heads have been sent out for some work as well as new springs and valves.
Hopefully won't be long till we get it all back together. Stay tuned.

We did a set of heads for a 124" many years back for S&S employee, Tom Hampton.
We used that .675, and Axtell(J&E)30* pistons to get the squeeze up.
That 126" is gonna' be a beast, Paul.
Scott

[FXDRYDR]

Can't wait to see how it comes out 

[Merc63]

I'm predicting north of 170.

Will SA supply any flow numbers?

[build it]

Hi Paul! I'd say good luck, but you don't need it.

[frankieb]

Curious why you are using the EZ start cams? You having any problems with the ACR?

[pwmorris]

that 10.5 corrected with ss 675?

No, I had the old set up running .640's at 10.5-

Curious why you are using the EZ start cams? You having any problems with the ACR?

Hey Frankie,
No trouble just insurance for the compression bump when hitting the starter after heat soak and hot summer traffic re-starts.

[Azgunner]

If you don't mind me asking how many actual miles do you have on the engine?

Thanks.

[pwmorris]

If you don't mind me asking how many actual miles do you have on the engine?

Thanks.

4-5,000 per year x 7 plus years =30,000, give or take...
For me it isn't the miles but how those miles are put on the bike-and alot of my miles are ridden hard and put away wet...

[jam65]

You expect somewhat higher maintenance with these kind of builds. You have to pay to play when you push a V-twin to perform at these upper levels. S&S has done very well to accommodate this but this format does have it's limits, ie/ trade off. That is where the fun begins. Finding performance from rolling over an old stone and smoothing it's edges.

[pwmorris]

Yup,
Very true-

Another point is that the entire time I road with velocity stacks (no filter no nothing). Got caught in a few rain storms over the years but usually avoided sand storms or any crazy weather.
Other that the piston top which was caked due to the oil burn on its last legs, the pistons (other than the thrust side) and cylinder walls look pretty damn good...just some info to take with anyone as they would like-

[Merc63]

I'd say you sure got your monies worth, 7 years of hard riding with velocity stacks.  Excellent.

[WideWildGlide]

that is good info on the stacks, please take plenty of pictures and keep the info coming

[ThumperDeuce]

that is good info on the stacks, please take plenty of pictures and keep the info coming

Here is a link to the stacks which Paul uses:

http://www.baggersmag.com/novi-twinstack-velocity-stacks-carburetor-airflow-go-flow/?image=0

[Ohio HD]

My twin cam FXR motor was smoking after nearly 8 years or hard riding so we did a tear down. So far found a bad valve guide seal, bad o ring on the gear drive pump and possibly a sticky/obstructed check valve on the pump supply side, and the rings are showing their age. Lots of oil in cam chest and quite a bit of sumping. Still some more inspection to do but no major damage and bottom end looks good. It is an amazing engine and look forward to getting it back on the road as it has been so good to me for so many years.
Going to bump compression with a piston upgrade (.10 over) but still run pump gas, .675 ez starts, S&S premium lifters with limiters and B2 heads have been sent out for some work as well as new springs and valves.
Hopefully won't be long till we get it all back together. Stay tuned.

Paul, so you're inspection so far looks like the lower end is in good shape? Was it an all S&S assembled lower end, S&S rods, etc., no welding?

[Merc63]

Do you have a before and after dyno graph? I hope so

[pwmorris]

My twin cam FXR motor was smoking after nearly 8 years or hard riding so we did a tear down. So far found a bad valve guide seal, bad o ring on the gear drive pump and possibly a sticky/obstructed check valve on the pump supply side, and the rings are showing their age. Lots of oil in cam chest and quite a bit of sumping. Still some more inspection to do but no major damage and bottom end looks good. It is an amazing engine and look forward to getting it back on the road as it has been so good to me for so many years.
Going to bump compression with a piston upgrade (.10 over) but still run pump gas, .675 ez starts, S&S premium lifters with limiters and B2 heads have been sent out for some work as well as new springs and valves.
Hopefully won't be long till we get it all back together. Stay tuned.

Paul, so you're inspection so far looks like the lower end is in good shape? Was it an all S&S assembled lower end, S&S rods, etc., no welding?

Yes-
All S&S, no welding-doesn't need it...
It was a crate 126...
Not any more-

[Ohio HD]

My twin cam FXR motor was smoking after nearly 8 years or hard riding so we did a tear down. So far found a bad valve guide seal, bad o ring on the gear drive pump and possibly a sticky/obstructed check valve on the pump supply side, and the rings are showing their age. Lots of oil in cam chest and quite a bit of sumping. Still some more inspection to do but no major damage and bottom end looks good. It is an amazing engine and look forward to getting it back on the road as it has been so good to me for so many years.
Going to bump compression with a piston upgrade (.10 over) but still run pump gas, .675 ez starts, S&S premium lifters with limiters and B2 heads have been sent out for some work as well as new springs and valves.
Hopefully won't be long till we get it all back together. Stay tuned.

Paul, so you're inspection so far looks like the lower end is in good shape? Was it an all S&S assembled lower end, S&S rods, etc., no welding?

Yes-
All S&S, no welding-doesn't need it...
It was a crate 126...
Not any more-

That says a lot for the S&S bottom ends.   

So is there an 8 second club t-shirt and plaque?   

[gordonr]

We ran the the 675 one year at Wyotech. Took out the 640 (113 tc @12.5, 1.63ra) and with no other changes, pulled 10hp more. As a note we picked about 300 rpm more on top. Torque suffered a little but @159hp it was a beast! Not one issue with riding it in the Daytona traffic for the week except for a head light out ticket. Hopefully you wont have wait to long to see smoke.

[Merc63]

We ran the the 675 one year at Wyotech. Took out the 640 (113 tc @12.5, 1.63ra) and with no other changes, pulled 10hp more. As a note we picked about 300 rpm more on top. Torque suffered a little but @159hp it was a beast! Not one issue with riding it in the Daytona traffic for the week except for a head light out ticket. Hopefully you wont have wait to long to see smoke.

Was the horsepower climbing straight to redline or levelling off with the 640?  Do u have a graph?  What was redline set at?

I have played with the idea of the 675, but my torque is already peaking at 5000rpm and hp seems to be pulling till 7000rpm. 

[gordonr]

We ran the the 675 one year at Wyotech. Took out the 640 (113 tc @12.5, 1.63ra) and with no other changes, pulled 10hp more. As a note we picked about 300 rpm more on top. Torque suffered a little but @159hp it was a beast! Not one issue with riding it in the Daytona traffic for the week except for a head light out ticket. Hopefully you wont have wait to long to see smoke.

Was the horsepower climbing straight to redline or levelling off with the 640?  Do u have a graph?  What was redline set at?

I have played with the idea of the 675, but my torque is already peaking at 5000rpm and hp seems to be pulling till 7000rpm.

With the 640 it was finished at 6200. The heads were worked over HTCC hemi's with a 2.100 int. And it sounds like your heads may be better than these were. I will see if I can find a sheet for this build.

[pwmorris]

That says a lot for the S&S bottom ends.   

It sure does, and I have taken a un-welded S&S 4 5/8 stroke crank to 200 HP on a dyno but if I was using it primarily for drag racing (remember this rebuild is my Street Bike which sees occasional track duty) I would get it welded.
My race bike has a S&S prostock crank and aluminum rods that was prepped and welded by Darkhorse.

author=gordonr link=topic=71966.msg785658#msg785658 date=1396865364]
We ran the the 675 one year at Wyotech. Took out the 640 (113 tc @12.5, 1.63ra) and with no other changes, pulled 10hp more. As a note we picked about 300 rpm more on top. Torque suffered a little but @159hp it was a beast! Not one issue with riding it in the Daytona traffic for the week except for a head light out ticket. Hopefully you wont have wait to long to see smoke.

Thanks, good to know-
BTW, was talking to Truesdale over the weekend and he is going send me a new meg, collector, and baffle as mine is worn out from a lot of years of use.

If anyone is interested, JBV has some Softail and Dyna Guppy pipes available.

[gordonr]

That says a lot for the S&S bottom ends.   

It sure does, and I have taken a un-welded S&S 4 5/8 stroke crank to 200 HP on a dyno but if I was using it primarily for drag racing (remember this rebuild is my Street Bike which sees occasional track duty) I would get it welded.
My race bike has a S&S prostock crank and aluminum rods that was prepped and welded by Darkhorse.

author=gordonr link=topic=71966.msg785658#msg785658 date=1396865364]
We ran the the 675 one year at Wyotech. Took out the 640 (113 tc @12.5, 1.63ra) and with no other changes, pulled 10hp more. As a note we picked about 300 rpm more on top. Torque suffered a little but @159hp it was a beast! Not one issue with riding it in the Daytona traffic for the week except for a head light out ticket. Hopefully you wont have wait to long to see smoke.

Thanks, good to know-
BTW, was talking to Truesdale over the weekend and he is going send me a new meg, collector, and baffle as mine is worn out from a lot of years of use.

If anyone is interested, JBV has some Softail and Dyna Guppy pipes available.

You must walk on water! Last time I asked Brian for some help he sent me a design and pipe destructions to make my own!

[build it]

I've got a call in, we'll see if Mr. Truesdale wants to sell a dyna pipe.

[pwmorris]

That says a lot for the S&S bottom ends.   

It sure does, and I have taken a un-welded S&S 4 5/8 stroke crank to 200 HP on a dyno but if I was using it primarily for drag racing (remember this rebuild is my Street Bike which sees occasional track duty) I would get it welded.
My race bike has a S&S prostock crank and aluminum rods that was prepped and welded by Darkhorse.

author=gordonr link=topic=71966.msg785658#msg785658 date=1396865364]
We ran the the 675 one year at Wyotech. Took out the 640 (113 tc @12.5, 1.63ra) and with no other changes, pulled 10hp more. As a note we picked about 300 rpm more on top. Torque suffered a little but @159hp it was a beast! Not one issue with riding it in the Daytona traffic for the week except for a head light out ticket. Hopefully you wont have wait to long to see smoke.

Thanks, good to know-
BTW, was talking to Truesdale over the weekend and he is going send me a new meg, collector, and baffle as mine is worn out from a lot of years of use.

If anyone is interested, JBV has some Softail and Dyna Guppy pipes available.

You must walk on water! Last time I asked Brian for some help he sent me a design and pipe destructions to make my own!

LOL!

I've got a call in, we'll see if Mr. Truesdale wants to sell a dyna pipe.

He said they may come tack welded for a customer to finish but we didn't talk at length about it-I think it depended on if the Dyna was forward controls or not-

[build it]

I've got mids and don't care if it comes tack welded or complete. Could you put in a word for me Paul? I'd much rather have a legacy pipe than a throw away... If you need goals to put in a word, I'm confident I meet the power requirement.

Sorry for muddying your thread won't happen again, I just about lost it when you posted "dyna guppy"

[FlaHeatWave]

Those dual carbs are Nasty!!!

[pwmorris]

I've got a call in, we'll see if Mr. Truesdale wants to sell a dyna pipe.

Guys are already asking me so I'm telling people to email JBV Racing and give them your specs (forwards or mids, motor etc) and JBV understands they may be getting correspondence and to hopefully follow up quickly via email... Remember I'm just the messenger and have no real leverage but will do what I can-

[WideWildGlide]

what the bore and stroke on a 126? What kinda rpms can one turn?

[No Cents]

I've got a call in, we'll see if Mr. Truesdale wants to sell a dyna pipe.

Guys are already asking me so I'm telling people to email JBV Racing and give them your specs (forwards or mids, motor etc) and JBV understands they may be getting correspondence and to hopefully follow up quickly via email... Remember I'm just the messenger and have no real leverage but will do what I can-

is Brian back in business now Paul?

[pwmorris]

what the bore and stroke on a 126? What kinda rpms can one turn?

4.375 Bore-4.187 stroke
RPM's, Mine with the .640's was done at 6,400 but Mercs 126' with .640's looks like it pulls to 6,600- http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php/topic,71477.0.html

Don't know what my new re-build will pull to, but maybe a little more...

I've got a call in, we'll see if Mr. Truesdale wants to sell a dyna pipe.

Guys are already asking me so I'm telling people to email JBV Racing and give them your specs (forwards or mids, motor etc) and JBV understands they may be getting correspondence and to hopefully follow up quickly via email... Remember I'm just the messenger and have no real leverage but will do what I can-

is Brian back in business now Paul?

Let's just say he is putting a little more focus into the Guppy side of things-he even mentioned having his buddy pull his bagger into his shop for mock up purposes to finally do a bagger Guppy, who knows...

[WideWildGlide]

Thanks for info Morris, sure wish S&S had a case out for 06-up dyna like they do for the touring bikes

[Merc63]

Paul,

I am not sure why that dyno graph stops around 6600rpm, but either my tach/ECM is off or the dyno is off, I have the redline set at 7000rpm and took the runs right to cut off at 7k.

I am not sure what's going on there, maybe the dyno isn't getting the correct info??

[C-Cat]

My twin cam FXR motor was smoking after nearly 8 years or hard riding so we did a tear down. So far found a bad valve guide seal, bad o ring on the gear drive pump and possibly a sticky/obstructed check valve on the pump supply side, and the rings are showing their age. Lots of oil in cam chest and quite a bit of sumping. Still some more inspection to do but no major damage and bottom end looks good. It is an amazing engine and look forward to getting it back on the road as it has been so good to me for so many years.
Going to bump compression with a piston upgrade (.10 over) but still run pump gas, .675 ez starts, S&S premium lifters with limiters and B2 heads have been sent out for some work as well as new springs and valves.
Hopefully won't be long till we get it all back together. Stay tuned.

I'd say you got your money's worth after 8 years of enjoyment! The new build sounds like a homerun also. Thanks for posting on the Guppy. I'm sure orders are going to be pouring in.

[kristian]

what material are your fuel lines made of??  looks like braided vinyl for main feed and clear pvc for splits?  have you used these lines/materials before and how do they hold up to heat and fuel?  thanks

[pwmorris]

I'd say you got your money's worth after 8 years of enjoyment!

Thanks to DB Choppers who got me a smokin deal on the motor and the meticulous assembly setting up everything on point.
Quality parts, assembly, tune, routine maintenance and a rider that knows when not to push the equipment over its limits all working together-plus a little luck.
After 3-4 years I thought for sure I was going to blow it up but it never did.
Just kept hummin along...

what material are your fuel lines made of??  looks like braided vinyl for main feed and clear pvc for splits?  have you used these lines/materials before and how do they hold up to heat and fuel?  thanks

Main fuel lines are those S&S lines that have a curve at the end to go up into the bowls. I run a dual Pingle Guzzler which feeds each line. The vinyl is just a heat barrier sleeve. On my other bike I run Tygon fuel line which is fed thru an insulated sleeve.
The vents are PVC which I replace every 6 months to a year. It works well but it does discolor from heat and UV sunlight.
The other small lines are the thunder jet lines and I use that material for the bowl vents as well.

[Buffalo]

  Are the carbs E or G's? Is the dual intake manifold one piece or two? Nice package, and it does look nasty.
I run the std G with dual S&S air filter unit on my 124. I like the looks, but crave the nasty!! Buffalo 

[pwmorris]

  Are the carbs E or G's? Is the dual intake manifold one piece or two? Nice package, and it does look nasty.
I run the std G with dual S&S air filter unit on my 124. I like the looks, but crave the nasty!! Buffalo 

Thx-
I build my stuff for function first, and if it looks good then that's a bonus.
Modified G's, single piece manifold.
Here is how it looks with the stacks-

[kristian]

what material are your fuel lines made of??  looks like braided vinyl for main feed and clear pvc for splits?  have you used these lines/materials before and how do they hold up to heat and fuel?  thanks

Main fuel lines are those S&S lines that have a curve at the end to go up into the bowls. I run a dual Pingle Guzzler which feeds each line. The vinyl is just a heat barrier sleeve. On my other bike I run Tygon fuel line which is fed thru an insulated sleeve.
The vents are PVC which I replace every 6 months to a year. It works well but it does discolor from heat and UV sunlight.
The other small lines are the thunder jet lines and I use that material for the bowl vents as well.


thanks

[pwmorris]

Head update-
Bigger valves being installed (custom made to SA Racing specs), flow testing and porting (street port-not race) new guides and seals, new springs, cylinders being bored to fit .10 over pistons.
Allstaedt is checking valve pockets, cc's, etc...

[build it]

Where're you landing with compression statically?

Sounds BA

[pwmorris]

Where're you landing with compression statically?

Sounds BA

Not sure yet-
Chris Rivas runs his street bike at 13:1 on California Pump with no issues and said I could run mine up there as well as long as it's tuned properly.
We will see how it all shakes out after SA does his work but I don't mind running 11.5-13:1 with my EZ starts, super efficient heads and light weight bike with a good tune-

[pwmorris]

Porting and cylinder head modification work complete by SA on B2's-Getting closer...

[Murphy]

Hey pm. What front end is that on your fxr.

[pwmorris]

Hey pm. What front end is that on your fxr.

Buell XB

[Murphy]

Did you have to change spring rate or anything else for the difference in weight of the two bikes

[gordonr]

Where're you landing with compression statically?

Sounds BA

Not sure yet-
Chris Rivas runs his street bike at 13:1 on California Pump with no issues and said I could run mine up there as well as long as it's tuned properly.
We will see how it all shakes out after SA does his work but I don't mind running 11.5-13:1 with my EZ starts, super efficient heads and light weight bike with a good tune-

I ran 13:5 with a 640 years ago, my timing was 10*idle and 22*max advance using 93 oct. When it came to a race environment I had a tune for a higher octane.

[pwmorris]

Did you have to change spring rate or anything else for the difference in weight of the two bikes

No,
Ran it as it came from factory. My FXR is really light though.

Where're you landing with compression statically?

Sounds BA

Not sure yet-
Chris Rivas runs his street bike at 13:1 on California Pump with no issues and said I could run mine up there as well as long as it's tuned properly.
We will see how it all shakes out after SA does his work but I don't mind running 11.5-13:1 with my EZ starts, super efficient heads and light weight bike with a good tune-

I ran 13:5 with a 640 years ago, my timing was 10*idle and 22*max advance using 93 oct. When it came to a race environment I had a tune for a higher octane.

That's kind of what I was thinking.
I'll have two tunes- my street and daily driver tune and if I want to take it to the track to play, I'll also tune for a higher octane...
We'll see how it plays out.
The heads turned out real well according to Allsteadt. Big cfm for a street head.

[Barrett]

 "Big cfm for a street head" I get a kick outta this being a "Street" bike when it would spank many bikes that are running the tracks.. It's a race bike, just not as badass as your other ride..

[ThumperDeuce]

Did you have to change spring rate or anything else for the difference in weight of the two bikes

No,
Ran it as it came from factory. My FXR is really light though.

Where're you landing with compression statically?

Sounds BA

Not sure yet-
Chris Rivas runs his street bike at 13:1 on California Pump with no issues and said I could run mine up there as well as long as it's tuned properly.
We will see how it all shakes out after SA does his work but I don't mind running 11.5-13:1 with my EZ starts, super efficient heads and light weight bike with a good tune-

I ran 13:5 with a 640 years ago, my timing was 10*idle and 22*max advance using 93 oct. When it came to a race environment I had a tune for a higher octane.

That's kind of what I was thinking.
I'll have two tunes- my street and daily driver tune and if I want to take it to the track to play, I'll also tune for a higher octane...
We'll see how it plays out.
The heads turned out real well according to Allsteadt. Big cfm for a street head.

Care to share what the numbers are?

[gordonr]

I dont have any dyno sheets from that time. Someone broke into the mobile dyno hear on my lot and stole the pc. All I can remember is uncorrected and it was 142hp and 123tq by 6500 out of my 95"with the 640. Later I put a 675 in it. Dumb mistake but clicked off 139hp in the brute hp shootout the next year.

[Murphy]

Thanks for the info p.m. excuse me for changing the subject just trying to figure out a inverted front for my 04 for Dyna thanks.

[Merc63]

Paul you going to post a dyno sheet when she is back together?

[pwmorris]

Paul you going to post a dyno sheet when she is back together?

I usually don't post sheets on current builds but I just might-Maybe a time slip instead after I get it dialed in.

"Big cfm for a street head" I get a kick outta this being a "Street" bike when it would spank many bikes that are running the tracks.. It's a race bike, just not as badass as your other ride..

If it runs for another 7 years, stays reliable, starts easy in any conditions, runs on pump fuel, is pretty comfortable, and is ready to go anywhere when I'm ready to ride on a 200 mile weekend or just an afternoon cruise, its a street bike. My other bike could never do that.
Don't really care though what anyone calls it-its my only street bike so it works for me...
Some day I'll get a bagger but that day is not here yet.

[FXDRYDR]

"...Some day I'll get a bagger but that day is not here yet. "


LOL!!  For some reason I think that day might be a long way off -- unless it's some kind of stealth bagger made of CF!! 

[pwmorris]

"...Some day I'll get a bagger but that day is not here yet. "


LOL!!  For some reason I think that day might be a long way off -- unless it's some kind of stealth bagger made of CF!!

LOL...Nah, If I get a bagger I think it will be pretty stock, just listen to tunes and relax-kinda like ridin' in a convertible car-
air ride, windscreen, I pod, touch screen, cruise control, just hummin along...

BTW,
Here is the new Gen 3 Progression baffle going in my new version Meg-as I said earlier, I had the old Guppy version and I pretty much thrashed it so it was time. I understand this version is significantly quieter, without a big loss of HP-which is good for around town driving not to piss off the locals...

[gordonr]

That is an impressive baffle.

[Admiral Akbar]

 

Like the design..

Max

[Durwood]

Looks killer paul

[No Cents]

how's the rebuild coming along Paul?

[1FSTRK]

how's the rebuild coming along Paul?

[wfolarry]

Look here.
http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/twin-cam-engine-mods/336730-126-rebuild-4.html

Something happened on this site & he never posted again.

[No Cents]

 
Thanks for the heads up Larry.
It looks like Paul is making progress.

[No Cents]

 looks like Paul got his 126" rebuild done.
Here is a little video of it he posted over on the VTF.
It sure does sound good!
Congrats Paul 

http://youtu.be/9HfVNi3krok

Ray

[BVHOG]

Tell me the idle on that thing doesn't sound exactly like an old 2cyl John Deere tractor, probably the same size piston, lol

[Durwood]

Sounds killer Pdub, it wraps like my ol' 406 sbc

[Deye76]

Gawd that sounds good. Raises the heart rate just listening, would jump out my chest riding it.

[pwmorris]

Just an update on the rebuild. Bike has been running great since and no issues to speak of once we got the correct push rod adjustment with the new supreme lifters with limiters and EZ starts.
Switched to Liquimoly oil and Valvetrain is noticibly quieter considering this much lift on a daily driven street bike.
American Iron Magazine just shot it for a feature which should be out in a few months and all dyno and track time data should be in the article.
Very happy with the results and all my goals have been met or exceeded with this build. Just enjoying the summer riding....

[jam65]

Thanks for the update Paul. I will be looking for the mag article to see what you have cooking.

[Clayster]

Thanks for the update Paul. I will be looking for the mag article to see what you have cooking.

X2

[No Cents]

 I'm happy for you Paul...very nice job on the rebuild! 
I'll be looking forward to seeing the magazine article too.

Ray

[HighLiner]

That's a bad a$$ bike, did you ever chronicle the entire build online?

[pwmorris]

American Iron was also given the build sheet-
I gave them a lot of details, but didn't give them too much on the heads, which flowed on intake somewhere between 400-450  . As SA said to me, why give away something you paid for....lol.....
Bottom line, motor was already good, till it wore out, the rebuild just took it to the next level-

[rageglide]

I haven't bought that rag in years... but I'll take an eye out for it.  (my german coworkers version).

[pwmorris]

I haven't bought that rag in years... but I'll take an eye out for it.  (my german coworkers version).

Yeah, me eiher...lol....

[HighLiner]

American Iron was also given the build sheet-
I gave them a lot of details, but didn't give them too much on the heads, which flowed on intake somewhere between 400-450  . As SA said to me, why give away something you paid for....lol.....
Bottom line, motor was already good, till it wore out, the rebuild just took it to the next level-

I was more interested in the construction of the chassis and such.  Coming from the street car scene I'd never ask about engine details.

[pwmorris]

American Iron was also given the build sheet-
I gave them a lot of details, but didn't give them too much on the heads, which flowed on intake somewhere between 400-450  . As SA said to me, why give away something you paid for....lol.....
Bottom line, motor was already good, till it wore out, the rebuild just took it to the next level-

I was more interested in the construction of the chassis and such.  Coming from the street car scene I'd never ask about engine details.

Appreciate that-you would be surprised how many guys ask...
Yeah, they have a build list you fill out and send back to them, so a lot of what was done should be there.

[biggzed]

Can't wait to read this feature. I've admired that bike for a long time. Had it as a screen saver for a while too. I need a towel after that video of it running. LOL

Zach

[bladerunner]

Nice to see you back Paul ....

[TXChop]

Nice!!

Keep us posted. 

[HighLiner]

Any update as to which month your gonna be featured?

[pwmorris]

Any update as to which month your gonna be featured?

Nah, they don't tell you as they are lining up the layouts and stuff, but it should be real soon, as they said a few months and that was a couple months ago...

[jmorton10]

Damn bro, that is a seriously bad ass ride.

That video sounds very nasty.

~John

[pwmorris]

[HighLiner]

Sweet

[No Cents]

 Paul...I'll grab a copy the next time I go into town.
Congrats on the cover! 

Ray

[pwmorris]

Paul...I'll grab a copy the next time I go into town.
Congrats on the cover! 

Ray

Sweet

Thx guys!

[hrdtail78]

That's badass Paul.

[biggzed]

Awesome. I'm stopping by the store on the way home. Need to pick that up. Congrats on the cover. Bad ass pic.

Zach

[FlaHeatWave]

Congrats on the cover

[Durwood]

Great job Pdub!!! Your craftsmanship and attention to detail is what landed you on the cover

[jmorton10]

Damn, went to buy that issue & they still have the October issue on the shelf :-(

~John

[No Cents]

 I was told at the store today it won't be available until 10/13/15.

Ray

[pwmorris]

 
Hmm...there are on the newsstands out here in Cali-

[frankieb]

Hmm...there are on the newsstands out here in Cali-

That happened with our two covers...they seem to be released regionally.

[jmorton10]

Hmm...there are on the newsstands out here in Cali-

Finally hit the news stand in upstate NY.

I haven't bought it in years, but I bought this issue just to check out the article on Paul's bike.

WOW, OMG That bike is AWESOME!!

~John

[pwmorris]

That's badass Paul.

Awesome. I'm stopping by the store on the way home. Need to pick that up. Congrats on the cover. Bad ass pic.

Zach

Congrats on the cover

Great job Pdub!!! Your craftsmanship and attention to detail is what landed you on the cover

Hmm...there are on the newsstands out here in Cali-

Finally hit the news stand in upstate NY.

I haven't bought it in years, but I bought this issue just to check out the article on Paul's bike.

WOW, OMG That bike is AWESOME!!

~John

That's badass Paul.

Appreciate the props!
Team effort, as usual, with top shelf parts, and talent, all around the build (and a decent rider..😎)

[bladerunner]

  Just picked up" American Iron "   Nice job . 

[No Cents]

 it finally hit the magazine stand around here yesterday.
I got mine.
Congrats Paul! 

[attach=0]

Ray

[pwmorris]

it finally hit the magazine stand around here yesterday.
I got mine.
Congrats Paul! 

Ray

  Just picked up" American Iron "   Nice job .

🍻👍🍻👍
Other than an oil tank relocation to the FL tank set up next to the bottom of the frame, this bike is done..................

[HighLiner]

With a riding position like that you must be a shorter guy?

[pwmorris]

With a riding position like that you must be a shorter guy?

5'10", 180. That riding position is just a tuck at the request of the photographer-mostly I'm just kicking back very comfortable cruzin along...pretty comfy actually with a nice back support and bars aren't too far forward. Sitting up in a normal riding position, my hands just grab my grips and I have full brake and clutch access.
The seat pan and rear fender was designed with me on the bike not only to accomplish that, but also so my leg clears under my carbs to the peg and rear brake lever.

[build it]

I picked up a copy on Friday. Slick spread.

Your riding position looks great. I like how you have full brake control without contacting the carbs. Scratching my head on the approach with the DX as the frame is not going to play nice with a 180.

I didn't think arm pump was a Harley thing, just mx??? LOL 

[pwmorris]

Just redid the front end in flat black but basically the same. Waiting for a big El Nino so we can redo the oil tank (Thx Ed for the awesome pan) and put it under the bike next to the motor for improved cooling and oil distribution , and I won't miss any riding...(I know, Socal is year round...lol...)
The retirement from racing part of the article is a bit premature as I still Grudge Race my street bike (and why I keep specific details like times slips, flow #'s to myself  ), and am already thinking about building another race bike...
And the front end now...same, just a darker shade-

[jam65]

Paul, you need to start your bike farther away from the garage. It looks like it cracked the concrete. I like the mean look of the total flat black. Serious sickle right there.

[rageglide]

Looks great.  I tried to find the rag when it came out and failed.  Thanks for sharing.

Black headlight and front forks since I see... A rolling stone gathers no moss.

[gordonr]

A feather in your cap  Great goals and planning. Nice build

[wfolarry]

What's your best time at the track?

[Durwood]

Looks great Pdub, I really like the matte black finish

[pwmorris]

Don't post here as much as in the past but just a little update on the Street Bike-

What's your best time at the track?

9.8 @ a buck 35

A feather in your cap  Great goals and planning. Nice build

Thanks Gordon-
You know your stuff, have seen just about every Hipo situation, and I respect your comments big time-
Bike just was featured by Bikernet Magazine and also shot by Hotbike as well (including the cover of American Iron).
No issues to report, no problems, or pms. Ride and go-I don't take it to the track as much as I used (just 3 times last year), but it rips it on command:), and is a perfect hotrod to cruise around Socal....

Looks great Pdub, I really like the matte black finish

Thanks! Yeah, I think it looks pretty good in person-
https://www.bikernet.com/pages/HOT_STREET_RACING_FXR.aspx

[Durwood]

Don't post here as much as in the past but just a little update on the Street Bike-

What's your best time at the track?

9.8 @ a buck 35

A feather in your cap  Great goals and planning. Nice build

Thanks Gordon-
You know your stuff, have seen just about every Hipo situation, and I respect your comments big time-
Bike just was featured by Bikernet Magazine and also shot by Hotbike as well (including the cover of American Iron).
No issues to report, no problems, or pms. Ride and go-I don't take it to the track as much as I used (just 3 times last year), but it rips it on command:), and is a perfect hotrod to cruise around Socal....

Looks great Pdub, I really like the matte black finish

Thanks! Yeah, I think it looks pretty good in person-
https://www.bikernet.com/pages/HOT_STREET_RACING_FXR.aspx

A beautiful machine.

[Matt C]

That's nice looking! I like the dual carb setup too.

[pwmorris]

That's nice looking! I like the dual carb setup too.

Don't post here as much as in the past but just a little update on the Street Bike-

What's your best time at the track?

9.8 @ a buck 35

A feather in your cap  Great goals and planning. Nice build

Thanks Gordon-
You know your stuff, have seen just about every Hipo situation, and I respect your comments big time-
Bike just was featured by Bikernet Magazine and also shot by Hotbike as well (including the cover of American Iron).
No issues to report, no problems, or pms. Ride and go-I don't take it to the track as much as I used (just 3 times last year), but it rips it on command:), and is a perfect hotrod to cruise around Socal....

Looks great Pdub, I really like the matte black finish

Thanks! Yeah, I think it looks pretty good in person-
https://www.bikernet.com/pages/HOT_STREET_RACING_FXR.aspx

A beautiful machine.

Thx guys-

[Matt C]

That bike is just too f--king cool. I love it.

[No Cents]

  no doubt about it...Paul you have one badass bike right there! 

[1FSTRK]

Nice bike Paul

Ray you should submit your bike, they would have to devote an entire magazine to cover the "Cat's out of the bag" thread on the Duracell.

[HighLiner]

Still a bad a$$ bike....how about a grudge race between you and the bike that Rick Ward built for Sturgis?

[pwmorris]

  no doubt about it...Paul you have one badass bike right there! 

Thx Ray-you have a killer daily driven bagger yourself!

Nice bike Paul

Thx-

Still a bad a$$ bike....how about a grudge race between you and the bike that Rick Ward built for Sturgis?

Actually, I heard he was going up there with that Dyna and I was looking forward to running him. Would have been fun, and we thought about it, but heard he was going to run nitrous and a slick, so I passed. Not my thing for a "street bike" heads up grudge race. Race bike, different story...

That bike is just too f--king cool. I love it.

Thx man...

[Barrett]

That's Badass for sure. 
What is the gear ratio?

[pwmorris]

That's Badass for sure. 
What is the gear ratio?

I change my rear sprocket as needed....so it varies between 3.30's to 3.50.
In winter, when I know I won't be having fun at the track, I gear it on the lower side for EZ crusin', then higher during the rest of the year.
Think I am at 3:41 right now-

[Hillside Motorcycle]

Beauty, Paul!
Is that the same bike that was on Corbin's TV show?

[pwmorris]

Beauty, Paul!
Is that the same bike that was on Corbin's TV show?

Nope-
That bike, we pulled the 131" out of it (the one that had your dual plenum manifold they said "wouldn't work", lol) and I traded the FXR roller for a G2 Gangster drag chassis roller (needed 2 bikes-a full drag bike and also a street bike).
I bought a Dyna to ride around, didn't like it, and traded it with a buddy who had a clean FXR. Then went to work modifying that FXR, ending up with what you see now.

[Hillside Motorcycle]

One clean machine, Paul!

[pwmorris]

Finally got around to putting in the TC FL Oil Tank in and pulling that hot FXR stock oil bag that was positioned up top next to the battery.
Sooooo much cooler on my nuts and the lithium, and the lower center of gravity weight also cant hurt. R&D trans gears refeshed with new WW bearings for insurance and performance.
Thanks so much to Mike Roberts for the case, Ed (Turboprop) for tank parts (as Ed said "why the hell didn't Harley set the FXR with this set up in the first place!"), and his familiarity and guidance with this specific set up- BIG TIME- and Pingel for hooking me up with a new electric shifter bracket (old one cracked at bolt holes and this new one much stronger in every way than my old one) that was needed  -
Also for you Hi HP TC/M8 guys, this vented line off the spout for additional venting (see TR's post in M8 about this), works well for TC's as well at the spout to dissipate pressure at the filler neck. We actually ran a similar set up on a race bike a decade ago so TR's post is for sure based on his race experience as well. It works-(other that a bitch-3 x pipe on and off due to leaks-mostly the starter hitting the neck, and multiple grinding efforts to clear this), with lines and hoses in the way, and separate spacer blocks, and gasket pieces to line up and clear my massive starter to nail with no leaks), and it is all good now. no blow over, or catch can dumping.
Killer and clean.



































NOTE FRANKENSTEIN SPOUT MODIFIED FROM AN OLD RACE SET UP-AND NOW, THANKS TO TURBOPROP, A CORRECT SPACED SPOUT TO CLEAR THE BEAST STARTER-



AND THE NEW SHIFTER BRACKET, PROPS TO PINGEL...

https://youtu.be/zP6WbjQOBao

[HighLiner]

Is that a one off pan?

[mrmike]

Looks like one of Ed's custom designs, yes?

Very nice looking bike, well done! I can understand why you guys have such a passion for that particular model.

Mike

[turboprop]

Is that a one off pan?

No. It's a three-off oil pan. I built three of these pans. One for my mentor Mr. PW. One for my other mentor, Mr. Joe Biesel of Deviant Fabrications and another for my friend Marcel in Europe.

Fun fact: The pan I made for Joe was used as a mold for the prototype injection molded resin pans that he made. Those pans never went into production due to concerns about heat retention.  The pan I made was then used as a template for the billet oil pans that Joe/Deviant now sells.

[turboprop]

Finally got around to putting in the TC FL Oil Tank in and pulling that hot FXR stock oil bag that was positioned up top next to the battery.
Sooooo much cooler on my nuts and the lithium, and the lower center of gravity weight also cant hurt. R&D trans gears refeshed with new WW bearings for insurance and performance.
Thanks so much to Mike Roberts for the case, Ed (Turboprop) for tank parts (as Ed said "why the hell didn't Harley set the FXR with this set up in the first place!"), and his familiarity and guidance with this specific set up- BIG TIME- and Pingel for hooking me up with a new electric shifter bracket (old one cracked at bolt holes and this new one much stronger in every way than my old one) that was needed  -
Also for you Hi HP TC/M8 guys, this vented line off the spout for additional venting (see TR's post in M8 about this), works well for TC's as well at the spout to dissipate pressure at the filler neck. We actually ran a similar set up on a race bike a decade ago so TR's post is for sure based on his race experience as well. It works-(other that a bitch-3 x pipe on and off due to leaks-mostly the starter hitting the neck, and multiple grinding efforts to clear this), with lines and hoses in the way, and separate spacer blocks, and gasket pieces to line up and clear my massive starter to nail with no leaks), and it is all good now. no blow over, or catch can dumping.
Killer and clean.



































NOTE FRANKENSTEIN SPOUT MODIFIED FROM AN OLD RACE SET UP-AND NOW, THANKS TO TURBOPROP, A CORRECT SPACED SPOUT TO CLEAR THE BEAST STARTER-



AND THE NEW SHIFTER BRACKET, PROPS TO PINGEL...

https://youtu.be/zP6WbjQOBao

Another fun fact, the sail boat shown in the first picture is a scale model of Paul's 'dingy'. In addition to being a HP junkie and motorcycle racer, Paul is also a world renowned sailor.

[Shoreglide]

All of that in his free time from the Beverly hills plastic surgery practice. Paul, what's your secret?

Ed, I have one of Joe's pans making the long journey to my house as we speak. Thanks for helping enable guys like me to have a clean and simple(r) way to perform a TC/FXR conversion.

[IronButt70]

Beautiful ride. Well done. 

[turboprop]

All of that in his free time from the Beverly hills plastic surgery practice. Paul, what's your secret?

Ed, I have one of Joe's pans making the long journey to my house as we speak. Thanks for helping enable guys like me to have a clean and simple(r) way to perform a TC/FXR conversion.

I would love to see some of the porn stars that Paul has worked on over the years.

As for your TC/FXR project, hopefully you are using a '99-'00 trans case as everything will be easier and cleaner if you do.

[Shoreglide]

Yes indeed. Picked up a fairly clean one from a 2000 RK off fleabay cheap. Probably will have the powder coat freshened up when I get my raw aluminum inner primary done.

[pwmorris]

Oil tank line mod-
O.K., so with a little prodding and assistance from Turboprop to clean up and dial in this mod even to another level, I went ahead and got parts to eliminate the crossover vent line from tank to case. Bigtime thanks to Ron at Axtell who will forget more than I will ever remember, and who has done extensive testing with TC tanks (which I haven't). Ron has said that as long as a one way valve is utilized from tank, the crossover line is unnecessary and per Ed, an EPA band aid.
So...
Correct tapered plugs and one way check valve ordered from McMaster Carr ( Turbo), to eliminate the line and instead of running the oil tank line up to a vent, and to clean up the primary side of the bike so I wouldn't have to run this additional line to my other lines to my main catch can upfront, I utilized the empty space of the missing old oil tank- and put a secondary catch can dedicated just for the oil tank vent. Insurance, and looks...after all, I have been called on this site by an outstanding HTT Member "Mr. Showbike", and for sure, looks matter to me much more than performance-
Anyway,
This mod is awesome, and the final piece to this puzzle marrying performance, and sano clean looks. Of course, I've given it my usual hard testing to make sure it works for me......
6 grand plus shifts, hi speed and hi rpm extended freeway testing and basic cruzing, and didn't get a damn drop from either catch can, no leaks from fittings and great, consistent oil pressure (with the crossover line my oil pressure would rock back and forth 5 plus psi at idle after hard riding. Not sure why?
Anyway, done deal on this area of the bike. Good to go here...
BEFORE-




NOW-

[turboprop]

I have tried to explain this inhere before but it has always fell on deaf ears. Anyways, one more time.

The oil pump (all brands, all eras) pump oil AND air back to the oil tank. That air must be allowed to escape. Harley runs a vent line back to the case where the air is expelled via either the case and/or head vents.

Starting with the '93 Evo engines, the head vents had check valves that prevented (somewhat) air from being sucked back into the engine. Venting the oil tank allows the air that would typically be routed back to the engine to instead vent direct from the oil tank.

A check valve is required on the oil tank vent to keep the system intact. Without the one way valve there is potential for air to be sucked back into the oil tank.

By removing the vent line between the oil tank and the engine case, the head vents only have deal with the air that  results from blow by. The air from the oil pump is compartmented to the oil tank and allowed to escape via vent line tapped into the rear of the oil spout.

Will add that XL based pro stock bikes and other classes of v-twin racing use pumps off the crank shaft to evacuate the crank case. Returning air from the oil tank back to the engine case is an EPA thing.

PW, you weren't supposed to tell anyone. WTF?

[pwmorris]

"PW, you weren't supposed to tell anyone. WTF?"

Damn, busted.....
Just a fun fact, as I will say I ran a line with one way check valve off my original OEM FXR stock tank tapped into my filler neck with this TC engine for a decade, (never even heard of a crossover vent line), but was unaware and unsure how an OEM TC tank would like/react/need doing the same. I was simply following stock set ups.
It was also super messy on the primary side, with multiple lines joking each other to finally enter the from catch can.
I only speak from which I know, and I am the first to ask for guidance from those who have come before me, and done the heavy lifting.

[rigidthumper]

Any affect on engine performance noted?

[pwmorris]

Any affect on engine performance noted?

No specific hard data, such as a dyno comparison, but it does feel that power comes on quicker twisting the throttle, more "bam" on demand, but that's just seat of pants feel. It was already a rocket when hitting it hard, so it's hard to say, but I like it.

[1workinman]

I have tried to explain this inhere before but it has always fell on deaf ears. Anyways, one more time.

The oil pump (all brands, all eras) pump oil AND air back to the oil tank. That air must be allowed to escape. Harley runs a vent line back to the case where the air is expelled via either the case and/or head vents.

Starting with the '93 Evo engines, the head vents had check valves that prevented (somewhat) air from being sucked back into the engine. Venting the oil tank allows the air that would typically be routed back to the engine to instead vent direct from the oil tank.

A check valve is required on the oil tank vent to keep the system intact. Without the one way valve there is potential for air to be sucked back into the oil tank.

By removing the vent line between the oil tank and the engine case, the head vents only have deal with the air that  results from blow by. The air from the oil pump is compartmented to the oil tank and allowed to escape via vent line tapped into the rear of the oil spout.

Will add that XL based pro stock bikes and other classes of v-twin racing use pumps off the crank shaft to evacuate the crank case. Returning air from the oil tank back to the engine case is an EPA thing.

PW, you weren't supposed to tell anyone. WTF?

Both of my bikes are done this way with the filler neck drilled and tapped / fitting that Ray posted but I used a black air line that is used to run air to rotary  seals on equipment , works well no need for hose clamps . I just warm up the line and push it on the barb or screw in the fitting that Ray posted . I used the check also .  Both bikes use little to no oil . Heads vented in the same manner . I appreciate you guys posting information 

[ecir50]

Running mine like this, any reason not to use the vent location on the evo tranny. Thinking could just put a male npt check valve there with a filter on end to keep debris out.