Looking at the Andrews 48 for my wife's bike. Bike is basically stock now other than a Road Rage II and a Power Vision. Thoughts?
I have a 48 in my '09 103 Electra glide. Very strong low end. runs out about 4500 RPM. If she likes a good torque pull, with plenty of power at highway speeds, then the 48 will impress.
Quote from: Propflux01 on May 01, 2020, 07:32:03 PM
I have a 48 in my '09 103 Electra glide. Very strong low end. runs out about 4500 RPM. If she likes a good torque pull, with plenty of power at highway speeds, then the 48 will impress.
What other work did you do if any?
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
Looking at the Andrews 48 for my wife's bike. Bike is basically stock now other than a Road Rage II and a Power Vision. Thoughts?
TTS100 is also a good choice. Have it in my 17 softie also with PV. Pulls hard and early.
Quote from: IronButt70 on May 01, 2020, 08:06:10 PM
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
Looking at the Andrews 48 for my wife's bike. Bike is basically stock now other than a Road Rage II and a Power Vision. Thoughts?
TTS100 is also a good choice. Have it in my 17 softie also with PV. Pulls hard and early.
Do you have a cam card that I can look at?
I think you may like the Andrews 54 better than the 48. It comes on sooner and carries out farther. I've installed a lot of them here.
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 08:13:19 PM
Quote from: IronButt70 on May 01, 2020, 08:06:10 PM
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
Looking at the Andrews 48 for my wife's bike. Bike is basically stock now other than a Road Rage II and a Power Vision. Thoughts?
TTS100 is also a good choice. Have it in my 17 softie also with PV. Pulls hard and early.
Do you have a cam card that I can look at?
I bought them used from a member. Unfortunately from what I know they guard their specs like fort knox and are not available. It is a straight up bolt in cam that will work with everything else left stock if that helps. Have 20k miles on them and very pleased.
I did a 96 to 103 on a friends Dyna wide glide awhile back with stock flat top pistons, Andrews 48 cams, Kirby's stage 1 heads and a Thunderheader upgraded the clutch with Alto Carbonite and added the SE spring, tuned by Trask with TTS 115 tq @3500 and 98 hp
You may be happier with the Andrews 54H - I've done a few and customers seem VERY satisfied when compared to the 48.
You're mileage may vary.
It had been mentioned that the 54 likes a little more compression to work well, but maybe that was in a 96", and the 103 works better with the 54?
And remember what the op was asking for, this is for his wife, who may or may not ride like a lunatic like many of us. The 48 might be right in her wheelhouse.
48 kinda hard to beat
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: Propflux01 on May 01, 2020, 07:32:03 PM
I have a 48 in my '09 103 Electra glide. Very strong low end. runs out about 4500 RPM. If she likes a good torque pull, with plenty of power at highway speeds, then the 48 will impress.
What other work did you do if any?
Stock heads, smith brothers pushrods, and S&S premiums for the lifters, and PV for the tuner.. Other than that, a car tire on back, nothing else.
An Andrews 48 will out-torque the 54, in an otherwise stock 96", or 103" engine, low-mid.
Unless she is a hot-rodder, the 48 would be our choice.
Quote from: IronButt70 on May 02, 2020, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 08:13:19 PM
Quote from: IronButt70 on May 01, 2020, 08:06:10 PM
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 01, 2020, 07:04:36 PM
Looking at the Andrews 48 for my wife's bike. Bike is basically stock now other than a Road Rage II and a Power Vision. Thoughts?
TTS100 is also a good choice. Have it in my 17 softie also with PV. Pulls hard and early.
Do you have a cam card that I can look at?
I bought them used from a member. Unfortunately from what I know they guard their specs like fort knox and are not available. It is a straight up bolt in cam that will work with everything else left stock if that helps. Have 20k miles on them and very pleased.
That TTS says that the 100 comes on at 1000-5500 rpm. so I am assuming that the duration is a tad longer than the 48?
Quote from: Hillside Motorcycle on May 04, 2020, 03:48:10 AM
An Andrews 48 will out-torque the 54, in an otherwise stock 96", or 103" engine, low-mid.
Unless she is a hot-rodder, the 48 would be our choice.
She is not a hot rodder by any stretch of the imagination. A friend brought up that the 48 would cause detention issues. I personally don't agree with that as that it is a light bike and everything else will be stock???
Detonation? Up to the guy tuning it to make sure it doesn't. Any cam can have detonation with a crappy tune.
I ran 48's in a bagge with no issues.
Quote from: PoorUB on May 04, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Detonation? Up to the guy tuning it to make sure it doesn't. Any cam can have detonation with a crappy tune.
I ran 48's in a bagger with no issues.
That was my thinking. He did say that the tune better be right but he is still pushing the 54 over the 48. The thing that I like about the 48 over the 54 is that the 48 comes on way sooner which is where this bike is lacking. With the stock cams, it comes on way too late..
I'm guessin the 54 wouldn't work as well with stock gearing and compression.
I have no idea how many 48's we have installed, and tuned.
Absolutely 100% 0 issues with any timing, whatsoever.
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 04, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Hillside Motorcycle on May 04, 2020, 03:48:10 AM
An Andrews 48 will out-torque the 54, in an otherwise stock 96", or 103" engine, low-mid.
Unless she is a hot-rodder, the 48 would be our choice.
She is not a hot rodder by any stretch of the imagination. A friend brought up that the 48 would cause detention issues. I personally don't agree with that as that it is a light bike and everything else will be stock???
I run a 48" at 10:1 in a 95" bagger. No detonation issues whatsoever. It's a great cam but requires a good tune for sure. I also ran it in a 96" street glide and I'm sure the 7 extra cubes and the touch more compression a 103" has will make it real nice (with a good tune).
Quote from: 838 on May 06, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 04, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Hillside Motorcycle on May 04, 2020, 03:48:10 AM
An Andrews 48 will out-torque the 54, in an otherwise stock 96", or 103" engine, low-mid.
Unless she is a hot-rodder, the 48 would be our choice.
She is not a hot rodder by any stretch of the imagination. A friend brought up that the 48 would cause detention issues. I personally don't agree with that as that it is a light bike and everything else will be stock???
I run a 48" at 10:1 in a 95" bagger. No detonation issues whatsoever. It's a great cam but requires a good tune for sure. I also ran it in a 96" street glide and I'm sure the 7 extra cubes and the touch more compression a 103" has will make it real nice (with a good tune).
Good. At this point and time there are no plans to up the compression via bigger pistons. I'm just looking for something that makes the bike jump a little better at lower rpm.
48 will do it!
SS 583 and 551 are in the ball park too.
Quote from: Sunny Jim on May 07, 2020, 06:39:38 AM
48 will do it!
SS 583 and 551 are in the ball park too.
Those look like they run out out of breath a little early...
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 07, 2020, 06:54:21 AM
Quote from: Sunny Jim on May 07, 2020, 06:39:38 AM
48 will do it!
SS 583 and 551 are in the ball park too.
Those look like they run out out of breath a little early...
Not really you would be surprised I run the 551 in my 95" 06 Ultra It will pull to 110 mph in 5th gear and I did the 583 in a 95" 06 heritage and it pulls out to 120 mph in 5th with a 250# rider @6000' elevation
But I like the 48 also
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 04, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
She is not a hot rodder by any stretch of the imagination. A friend brought up that the 48 would cause detention issues. I personally don't agree with that as that it is a light bike and everything else will be stock???
I have never heard/felt any detonation, nor seen evidence of it on the plugs or piston tops. Mine is installed on a 103, stock heads, and powervision tune. Getting on the on-ramp and some throttle is a thrill in itself. hills are great to ride on, and it has a growly idle.
Quote from: Propflux01 on May 07, 2020, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: WhipLash96 on May 04, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
She is not a hot rodder by any stretch of the imagination. A friend brought up that the 48 would cause detention issues. I personally don't agree with that as that it is a light bike and everything else will be stock???
I have never heard/felt any detonation, nor seen evidence of it on the plugs or piston tops. Mine is installed on a 103, stock heads, and powervision tune. Getting on the on-ramp and some throttle is a thrill in itself. hills are great to ride on, and it has a growly idle.
Yeah I am not going to do a single thing to the engine other than a cam swap and tune at this point. The bike is pretty snappy for a stock bike in 5th and I roll hard to pass. It needs help below that point. :emoGroan:
Don't overthink it, the 48 pretty much hits all your points for her bike.
Just for kicks, I'll throw in the 555 Torquester.
This may be worth checking:
https://university.fuelmotousa.com/article/h-d-twin-cam-103-camshaft-shootout/ (https://university.fuelmotousa.com/article/h-d-twin-cam-103-camshaft-shootout/)
I myself was torn between Andrews 48H and Cycle-Rama CR570-2.
If she is not a hot rodder just slap in the 48's and be done with it. Other cams might get you more top end, maybe a couple foot pounds more or less down low, but seriously, it is hardly worth discussing unless you want to wring out every ft-lb and HP you can, and it doesn't sound like it in this case. The 48's will put a smile on her face as well as most any low RPM torque cam.
Quote from: PoorUB on May 08, 2020, 09:02:23 AM
If she is not a hot rodder just slap in the 48's and be done with it. Other cams might get you more top end, maybe a couple foot pounds more or less down low, but seriously, it is hardly worth discussing unless you want to wring out every ft-lb and HP you can, and it doesn't sound like it in this case. The 48's will put a smile on her face as well as most any low RPM torque cam.
Thank You for your input. :smiled:
the 48's are fricken awesome in 95, 98, and 103 builds. Best drop in cam on the planet imo. Built one with Larry's heads last year in a 98 cube motor that went 97hp 108 torque. Never had anyone less than absolutely thrilled with them.
Whiplash, did you get some cams installed yet?