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Title: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: 838 on September 20, 2020, 01:15:57 PM
Can stock pushrods be used with the 551 in a 96"?

Thanks
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: Ohio HD on September 20, 2020, 02:46:31 PM
https://www.sscycle.com/tech-info/cam-specs-overview
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: 838 on September 20, 2020, 03:17:54 PM
Searched through this and couldn't find the answer. Would "bolt in" mean yes, or did I miss something?
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: Barrett on September 20, 2020, 04:32:54 PM
http://assetcloud.roccommerce.net/files/_sscycle/9/3/4/106-6067-late-gear-drive-cams-20160405.pdf
They work with stock pushrods.
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: rigidthumper on September 21, 2020, 07:02:40 AM
Quote from: 838 on September 20, 2020, 03:17:54 PM
Searched through this and couldn't find the answer. Would "bolt in" mean yes, or did I miss something?
"Bolt-in" = compatible with all stock components, so, yes.
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: cheech on September 21, 2020, 01:37:07 PM
Since you're are saying 96", can we assume you're asking about a stock 96" (meaning 07 up)?
Your question made me scratch my head because I did a 551 in a 06 down 6 months ago and thought didn't those install sheets say they can't.
And This sheet (https://www.sscycle.com/docs/default-source/instruction-sheets/106-5893_early_gd_cams_20160405.pdf?sfvrsn=4) claims they can't
in 06 down.
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: 04rkryder on September 21, 2020, 04:35:01 PM
Different valve springs in the 99-06 and the 07 up.
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: FXDBI on September 21, 2020, 08:11:36 PM
 :scratch:  The older twin cams 99-06 didnt they need the clearance checked and opened up in the cam chest for the lobes has well?   Bob
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: scootertrash1 on September 24, 2020, 05:22:25 PM
Just put S&S 551 in 2010 96 inch Ultra. S&S sheet did say stock push rods are OK. I did install S&S 110 big bore, Gear drive cam drive, and S&S heads as well as Fueling lifters and the rocker lockers. Hey, there was a pandemic going on! It all runs fine, but makes a fair amount of noise to the point where I may go with adjustable push rods to get rid of the tapping.
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: 838 on September 24, 2020, 06:30:24 PM
Quote from: scootertrash1 on September 24, 2020, 05:22:25 PM
Just put S&S 551 in 2010 96 inch Ultra. S&S sheet did say stock push rods are OK. I did install S&S 110 big bore, Gear drive cam drive, and S&S heads as well as Fueling lifters and the rocker lockers. Hey, there was a pandemic going on! It all runs fine, but makes a fair amount of noise to the point where I may go with adjustable push rods to get rid of the tapping.

Thanks for that info. Probably a torquey sucker at 110". What's your compression?
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: 838 on September 24, 2020, 06:32:01 PM
Quote from: FXDBI on September 21, 2020, 08:11:36 PM
:scratch:  The older twin cams 99-06 didnt they need the clearance checked and opened up in the cam chest for the lobes has well?   Bob

We had to clear for a tman625 in an 04...
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: FSG on September 24, 2020, 07:28:26 PM
Quote from: cheech on September 21, 2020, 01:37:07 PM
Since you're are saying 96", can we assume you're asking about a stock 96" (meaning 07 up)?
Your question made me scratch my head because I did a 551 in a 06 down 6 months ago and thought didn't those install sheets say they can't.
And This sheet (https://www.sscycle.com/docs/default-source/instruction-sheets/106-5893_early_gd_cams_20160405.pdf?sfvrsn=4) claims they can't
in 06 down.

This sheet claims they can't in 06 down.

that needs some clarification as it actually says "Except 2006 Dyna models" 
and that is because the '06 Dynas were the start of the 96"
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: Hossamania on September 24, 2020, 08:48:35 PM
Quote from: scootertrash1 on September 24, 2020, 05:22:25 PM
Just put S&S 551 in 2010 96 inch Ultra. S&S sheet did say stock push rods are OK. I did install S&S 110 big bore, Gear drive cam drive, and S&S heads as well as Fueling lifters and the rocker lockers. Hey, there was a pandemic going on! It all runs fine, but makes a fair amount of noise to the point where I may go with adjustable push rods to get rid of the tapping.

Not really a stock set up, I would go with the adjustable pushrods from the beginning.
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: 838 on September 24, 2020, 09:55:51 PM
Quote from: FSG on September 24, 2020, 07:28:26 PM
Quote from: cheech on September 21, 2020, 01:37:07 PM
Since you're are saying 96", can we assume you're asking about a stock 96" (meaning 07 up)?
Your question made me scratch my head because I did a 551 in a 06 down 6 months ago and thought didn't those install sheets say they can't.
And This sheet (https://www.sscycle.com/docs/default-source/instruction-sheets/106-5893_early_gd_cams_20160405.pdf?sfvrsn=4) claims they can't
in 06 down.

This sheet claims they can't in 06 down.

that needs some clarification as it actually says "Except 2006 Dyna models" 
and that is because the '06 Dynas were the start of the 96"

06 dyna was an 88" with new hydraulic tensioner cam setup and a 6 speed transmission iirc.
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: FSG on September 24, 2020, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: 838 on September 24, 2020, 09:55:51 PM

06 dyna was an 88" with new hydraulic tensioner cam setup and a 6 speed transmission iirc.

you're correct 

the 06 Dyna was the start of the New Cases and Powertrain  ....

never the less .... 

This sheet claims they can't in 06 down.

needs clarification as it actually says "Except 2006 Dyna models" 
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: cheech on September 25, 2020, 02:43:48 PM
Quote from: FSG on September 24, 2020, 07:28:26 PM

This sheet claims they can't in 06 down.

that needs some clarification as it actually says "Except 2006 Dyna models" 
and that is because the '06 Dynas were the start of the 96"

Yes, I agree my post does need clarification. But albeit the sheet does clarify the 06 Dyna exception.  :SM:
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: scootertrash1 on September 27, 2020, 07:27:19 AM
It is a lugger and once the Auto Tune is done, it really should be a decent runner. Only have 250 miles on it now. It'll be awhile! The advertised CR was 10.5:1 but have not checked with what I actually have. The one post said I should have probably gone with adjustable push rods and yeah, I should have!
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: Don D on September 27, 2020, 07:53:38 AM
06 Dyna is 88" but has all of the 2007up hydraulic and roller cam drive setup.
Title: Re: S&S 551 and stock pushrods?
Post by: scootertrash1 on September 28, 2020, 07:58:48 AM
I am going to remove my stock pushrods and install adjustable in my 2010 Ultra as described earlier. I only have experience with SE units. What about the S&S? Quckie or Standard? The reason I even want to do is to quiet the tapping down. Would the standard style give me a bit more adjustment over the Quickie style?