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Title: 120r with new cams
Post by: Chicagoguy on February 05, 2019, 09:33:49 PM
Ok i am thinking about.  Changing  My cams to get some more low end power.
The stock se266 and very good cams top end but i want something more low end too so people i am talking to are telling me to go with the redshift 657 or woods 408 i really don't know a lot about this stuff  i know from reading up that the woods cams is a  little bit more  noisy   then  redshift  maybe you guys can help me out    I running  stock 120r. With 58  stock bottle body  And d&d. Boarzilla  pipe with  Thunder max tune
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: TorQuePimp on February 05, 2019, 11:57:01 PM
The 657 is a great cam.....you do not have enough compression to make use of it
Get the heads down to about 90 CC ,.030 head gasket
Then you'll be in business
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: prodrag1320 on February 06, 2019, 02:40:00 AM
llok at the 625 t man cams,set them between 10.25-10.5-1
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: Chicagoguy on February 06, 2019, 07:45:52 AM
Thanks guys what about woods cams ??
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: Hillside Motorcycle on February 06, 2019, 09:24:37 AM
Our go-to Wood cam in those, is a 9B.
Hands-on facts.
Plug and play only with outstanding results from first hand experience, not regurgitated info.
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: Chicagoguy on February 06, 2019, 09:56:59 AM
Ok thanks
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: itsafatboy on February 06, 2019, 02:43:05 PM
maybe the TMAN 660ps ,  I run the TW9BG in a 116"  with a +2 advance ,at 11.3 comp. and its a beast ,  the TW9F with a +4 advance was also a beast if your setup for it , compression wise ,  but the lower TDC of the 9BG works well ,  I also ran the TW8G and if you want the best low end it is the best cam I got 132hp 140tq  but a little noisy on the ramps mine is gear drive though , but unless your running a higher compression it really does well at 10.5 to 10.8 and in a 120 maybe even less comp,  it also has the lowest overlap of the cams listed and for EFI I like less overlap just me but I like getting the fuel in then shut the valve , and the TW8 does that it is only 590 lift but in the 116 it was a beast did make for a touchy throttle being such a short cam.  I also run the TMAX and love it ,  these are just my opinions on what I have tried .  ive gone through a lot of cams the one I would like to try is the 660PS but not sure worth the change for the $$ from the 9BG, 


funny but when I had the lightweight lifters in, the bike spooled up so fast they were aluminum floating lifters a new design didn't go to well though, and I used light pushrods it revved crazy fast the guy at shop said he never rod a bike that spooled up that fast , and that was with the TW8G , funny how lightening the rods and lifters could make that much difference,  sorry for rambling     
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: Ohio HD on February 06, 2019, 03:36:19 PM
Overhead cams give the same advantage to a valve train, less mass moving around.
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: Chicagoguy on February 06, 2019, 06:10:27 PM
 It's OK for rambling   It's good to know  about all this stuff guys 👍
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: TorQuePimp on February 07, 2019, 05:06:21 AM
If you like valve train noise.....bolt a 9B in with the stock springs
At 10.4 ish compression....that's all you'll have
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: Hillside Motorcycle on February 07, 2019, 05:36:55 AM
Incorrect information.
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: Rsw on February 07, 2019, 07:25:00 AM
Quote from: TorQuePimp on February 07, 2019, 05:06:21 AM
If you like valve train noise.....bolt a 9B in with the stock springs
At 10.4 ish compression....that's all you'll have
Bout the same thing I experienced with it. But I'm not a professional
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: Barrett on February 07, 2019, 07:39:41 AM
What springs would be needed going from .658 to .630 lift? 
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: Hillside Motorcycle on February 07, 2019, 07:55:40 AM
Nothing different needed.
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: dave brode on February 08, 2019, 02:43:29 PM
https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=107488.msg1278812#msg1278812

https://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=107394.msg1276670#msg1276670
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: capn on February 10, 2019, 08:33:11 AM
Dave Mackie 598. Quiet better, low end than 266.
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: Timinator on February 10, 2019, 11:59:58 AM
I tried the 657s and now the 627s (slightly less lift but more duration), and as of late I have retarded the 627s 4 degrees (the 627s are advanced 5 degrees from the factory) to get more top end. The 266s have a bit more duration and a wider lobe center. P.S. my engine is a 117 w/MVA heads (slightly worked) and makes 135.86 HP at 5930 RPM. Looking for more top end, as I have more torque than I need in my CVO Breakout. 
Anybody have any experience with the 266s and 627s?  TIMINATOR
Title: Re: 120r with new cams
Post by: Hillside Motorcycle on February 11, 2019, 06:20:16 AM
S&S .640 as an example, or the .675, if wanting more hp.