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Title: Trans. Overflow
Post by: Wide Glide on November 22, 2020, 01:21:21 PM
Does anybody know the weight of HD discontinued Semi Synthetic Trans. fluid? I'm using BelRay Trans. oil 85-140 and for the last 2 years when it get colder I get oil out the overflow. I have tried it at the "add" mark and it doesn't make a difference. I did extended the overflow  and it did help, but did a little out of it. I have never tried the Formula+, it seems too thin. The BelRay eliminates the clunk, and can always find neutral.

Mike
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: thumper 823 on November 22, 2020, 01:38:15 PM
Opinions correct?
Read the spec sheet on the oil made by Amsoil .
You will find you need less inventory for most stuff.
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: tomfiii on November 23, 2020, 12:08:34 PM
Any reason you are using the heavier oil instead of the 75-90?
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: Buglet on November 23, 2020, 01:26:01 PM
  Back when the first 5 speeds came out they were using straight 20w. I probably still have a couple of cans sitting on the shelf.
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: Wide Glide on November 23, 2020, 03:46:56 PM
tomfiii wrote: "Any reason you are using the heavier oil instead of the 75-90?"

That was what the Belray site recommend, I believe 75-90 was for Sportster. That is why I was looking for the weight
of the old semi synthetic from Harley, was think of trying something different. I have read that this issues is do to moisture in the oil and the cold temperatures.
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: RTMike on November 24, 2020, 08:42:57 AM
Are you checking the oil level with the bike standing up or on the kick stand?The semie synthetic HD oil was 80-90 wt.
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: Burnout on November 24, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Heavy trans lube is OK in a 5 speed BT, however there have been some folks who have experienced an output bearing (5th gear) failure in cold weather apparently due to the heavy oil not flowing into the narrow margin that supplies oil to the bearing. This is probably due to no warm up, jumping right on the highway in the AM.

Baker recommends a slight overfill......

When HD first marketed the full synth 20-50 they said to use it in everything (one oil fits all).  BZZZZZZT!  Wrong!  Don't believe everything HD marketing says.

HD 5 speeds seem to hold up well, I don't see the need to use heavy weight oil. Except maybe in high temps with a side car.
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: turboprop on November 24, 2020, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: Wide Glide on November 22, 2020, 01:21:21 PM
Does anybody know the weight of HD discontinued Semi Synthetic Trans. fluid? I'm using BelRay Trans. oil 85-140 and for the last 2 years when it get colder I get oil out the overflow. I have tried it at the "add" mark and it doesn't make a difference. I did extended the overflow  and it did help, but did a little out of it. I have never tried the Formula+, it seems too thin. The BelRay eliminates the clunk, and can always find neutral.

Mike

Oil weight has nothing to do with the overflow your transmission is exhibiting. There is something else going on that you are missing. Once you find the real issue, you will be able to run whatever brand/weight of oil you want in that transmission without it overflowing. Keep digging.
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: Hossamania on November 24, 2020, 10:43:36 AM
Quote from: RTMike on November 24, 2020, 08:42:57 AM
Are you checking the oil level with the bike standing up or on the kick stand?

This may be the question of the day.
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: Wide Glide on November 24, 2020, 03:23:47 PM
RTMike wrote:"Are you checking the oil level with the bike standing up or on the kick stand?The semie synthetic HD oil was 80-90 wt."

Always, check it up right and dip the stick. You should always dip the stick.
Thanks for the answer to the HD trans. weight, may look into getting a oil with a lighter weight.
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: koko3052 on November 24, 2020, 06:59:09 PM
By using such a heavy weight oil, it may be retaining air bubbles without time for the oil to "drop off" of them, carrying the oil out the overflow. I will relate an experience I had with gear oils in class 8 trucks working the oilfields. Always used 85W90 in the rears until we purchased a used logger from BC. My bro. went to bring it home, about an 8 hr. run, but tractor only. When he arrived at base I looked it over & noticed that the diff. temps were way too high, like he had been pulling a full load for 8 hrs.! I did a bunch of research & changed the diff oils to 75W90, learning that the slightly thinner oil will flow better & remove more heat from the diffs.. After the change we could never get the temps up to half of what they were with the heavier oil, no matter how hard we worked it!
Lesson learned. :up:
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: FSG on November 24, 2020, 07:48:15 PM
just my experience

had used Belray but switched to Redline Shockproof

used Heavy for yonks but switched to Lightweight

(https://i.imgur.com/HwogDy5.png)  (https://i.imgur.com/jEwU4VF.jpg)
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: Deye76 on November 25, 2020, 07:36:22 AM
"Oil weight has nothing to do with the overflow your transmission is exhibiting. There is something else going on that you are missing. Once you find the real issue, you will be able to run whatever brand/weight of oil you want"

This.

FWIW even when I lived up north and rode in 35-40 deg. weather heavy trans lube was never a problem. Been running heavy shockproof (it flows like 75wt.) for 20 years, 5 and 6 spds.
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: choseneasy on December 27, 2020, 09:28:23 AM
I am with these guys on this one... I don't see type of fluid causing it to spit out.
  The primary is vented to the transmission thru the push rod in the main shaft. Are you losing engine oil between changes into the primary?
  A plugged overflow tube will push oil up the clutch cable.
  Not sure what could be happening in the tranny itself to cause it— is it the proper factory dipstick?
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: ghostrider on May 18, 2021, 02:27:34 PM
Old thread here I know, but I have a friend whose trans just starting leaking out the vent tube, 97 Heritage.  So after checking out a few obvious things, I did a search in here and found this thread.  Coincidentally, the exact same BelRay oil was just put in it.  So maybe there was a bad batch of it or something, or maybe its just too heavy?  Not enough anti-foaming agent?
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: Wide Glide on May 18, 2021, 03:13:08 PM
I think I was overfilling it, had a leak. I torn it down and found the mainshaft bushing had walked. I replaced all the seals and the bushing and all is good now. I couldn't get the puller on the bushing so I had to loosen the mainshaft and slide it to get the puller on.
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: ghostrider on May 18, 2021, 04:27:13 PM
Did you use the same oil after replacing the seals?   I hate that stupid race that is pressed on the shaft, what a PIA, lol.
Title: Re: Trans. Overflow
Post by: Wide Glide on May 19, 2021, 06:26:05 AM
Yup, still using the Bel Ray, it improved the shifts and no clunking anymore. I used the S&S bushing and went with FSG suggestion on the
aftermarket one piece nut and lock plate for front sprocket.