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Title: Belt drive?
Post by: Lone Ranger on February 04, 2020, 01:36:42 PM
I don't know much about Shovel Head bikes other than they're way cool. Did they have any factory belt drive or are they all chain?
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Post by: PC_Hater on February 04, 2020, 02:01:25 PM
Google FXB Sturgis, a shovelhead with primary belt and rear belt.
Somebody out there will do some sort of kit to fit a rear belt to any shovelhead.
The primary belt proved to be either troublesome or too expensive so that started and ended with the FXB.

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Post by: fbn ent on February 04, 2020, 02:44:22 PM
'83/84 FLHs have a final belt.
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Post by: JW113 on February 04, 2020, 06:29:25 PM
Take a look up top in the stickys, under History-Highlights at a glance. Should answer your question.

-JW
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Post by: Lone Ranger on February 05, 2020, 08:36:30 AM
Thanks for all your replies.
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Post by: yarddogg77 on February 12, 2020, 07:17:29 AM
Not sure if you are looking for OEM, but I found a 1 1/2" BDL primary belt drive with a lock up dry clutch for my Shovel on E-Bay, that was a few years ago, I spent around $700.
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Post by: bump on February 12, 2020, 10:16:08 AM
I have been running a 1 1/2" belt in primary with dry clutch for 35 years. Replaced the belt about 3 times. I don't run any oil in primary cover. Belt is a gates HTD 30853 x 1 1/2.  Belt is 132 tooth, 9mm.
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Post by: kink04fxd on February 12, 2020, 08:12:19 PM
Quote from: fbn ent on February 04, 2020, 02:44:22 PM
'83/84 FLHs have a final belt.

My 82 FLH is a final belt from the factory.
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Post by: Winston Wolf on February 29, 2020, 05:05:29 AM
FXDG Twin Belt Wide Glide!!
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Post by: Racepres on February 29, 2020, 05:50:43 AM
Quote from: Lone Ranger on February 04, 2020, 01:36:42 PM
I don't know much about Shovel Head bikes other than they're way cool. Did they have any factory belt drive or are they all chain?

A select Few came with 2 Belts [Sturgis] ...
lots of them from 1982 on with Final Belt!!!
Seems Odd but the old FLH got it first... even when the FXR/FLT/FLHT was stuck on Chain!!!!
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Post by: david lee on February 29, 2020, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: bump on February 12, 2020, 10:16:08 AM
I have been running a 1 1/2" belt in primary with dry clutch for 35 years. Replaced the belt about 3 times. I don't run any oil in primary cover. Belt is a gates HTD 30853 x 1 1/2.  Belt is 132 tooth, 9mm.
does your clutch rattle when engaged ? thanks
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Post by: bump on March 01, 2020, 03:18:44 AM
The clutch rattles a little when setting at stop light with clutch pulled in but you have to be trying to hear it rattle. Usually if clutch rattles loud it is not adjusted right, will also be hard to pull lever in.
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Post by: Racepres on March 01, 2020, 07:49:28 AM
Quote from: bump on March 01, 2020, 03:18:44 AM
The clutch rattles a little when setting at stop light with clutch pulled in but you have to be trying to hear it rattle. Usually if clutch rattles loud it is not adjusted right, will also be hard to pull lever in.

If the "rattle" gets too intense... Ensure you have a RammJett retainer... I always use one with a primary Belt!!!
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Post by: Burnout on March 01, 2020, 11:24:25 AM
The rattle is caused by the clutch not being loaded and at low RPMs the crank speeds up and slows down with every firing pulse and is normal.
Factory steels had spring loaded cushions to limit the rattle but they don't hold up well.

I always use long rollers and a RamJet retainer to help control the basket and limit clutch drag.
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Post by: david lee on March 01, 2020, 01:16:49 PM
i have the retainer which came with the long roller bearings and  primo belt set up.plates are good.the rattle tells me the plates are separating when engaged.also the derby cover has holes drilled in it like a drilled brake disc for venting so maybe thats why i can hear the rattle.thanks
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Post by: Racepres on March 01, 2020, 05:06:03 PM
Just gonna Note... I hate the long Rollers...and will Not be doing that again... the Ramm Jett??? I love it!!!
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Post by: david lee on March 02, 2020, 02:47:49 AM
Quote from: Racepres on March 01, 2020, 05:06:03 PM
Just gonna Note... I hate the long Rollers...and will Not be doing that again... the Ramm Jett??? I love it!!!
why is that. just interested
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Post by: crock on March 02, 2020, 04:49:10 AM
Quote from: david lee on March 02, 2020, 02:47:49 AM
Quote from: Racepres on March 01, 2020, 05:06:03 PM
Just gonna Note... I hate the long Rollers...and will Not be doing that again... the Ramm Jett??? I love it!!!
why is that. just interested

I believe the long rollers can  to cock sideways a little causing the basket to crawl and result in all kinds of crazy things
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Post by: Racepres on March 02, 2020, 06:13:38 AM
Quote from: crock on March 02, 2020, 04:49:10 AM
Quote from: david lee on March 02, 2020, 02:47:49 AM
Quote from: Racepres on March 01, 2020, 05:06:03 PM
Just gonna Note... I hate the long Rollers...and will Not be doing that again... the Ramm Jett??? I love it!!!
why is that. just interested

I believe the long rollers can  to cock sideways a little causing the basket to crawl and result in all kinds of crazy things

Maybe what was happening... IDK...Could Not get the Clutch Right......  Didn't take me long to "Potty mouth" can the long rollers and go back to Stock!!!
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Post by: Burnout on March 02, 2020, 07:49:28 AM
Dry or wet?
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Post by: Racepres on March 02, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
Quote from: Burnout on March 02, 2020, 07:49:28 AM
Dry or wet?

Dry with Primary Belt!
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Post by: Burnout on March 02, 2020, 06:29:25 PM
I'm thinking small rollers might not be picky about lube and dirt?
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Post by: 76shuvlinoff on March 03, 2020, 12:52:48 AM
 
QuoteCould Not get the Clutch Right......  Didn't take me long to "Potty mouth" can the long rollers and go back to Stock!!!

I think the long rollers work better for a well worn in application. I put them in a new basket and it was too tight even with leaving some out.  Too much drag for me.

I eventually installed a Rivera clutch and never looked back.
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Post by: david lee on March 03, 2020, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: 76shuvlinoff on March 03, 2020, 12:52:48 AM
QuoteCould Not get the Clutch Right......  Didn't take me long to "Potty mouth" can the long rollers and go back to Stock!!!

I think the long rollers work better for a well worn in application. I put them in a new basket and it was too tight even with leaving some out.  Too much drag for me.

I eventually installed a Rivera clutch and never looked back.
when i installed mine yrs ago i had to ream out the clutch hub as it was to tight to spin
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Post by: 76shuvlinoff on March 07, 2020, 04:42:34 AM
Quotewhen i installed mine yrs ago i had to ream out the clutch hub as it was to tight to spin

I started down that path then I realized the long rollers were to take up slop and I was installing slop for the long rollers. I am not sure now if I gave them away or if they're still in a bag in the basement.