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Dyno & Tuning Zone => AFR & Tuning Zone => Topic started by: Don D on November 28, 2020, 05:30:55 PM

Title: Throttle Blip Stumble, TTS
Post by: Don D on November 28, 2020, 05:30:55 PM
I just finished several Vtune sessions on a 2020 RG. Went very well. Just one small hitch and I am sure it is an easy fix. Blip the throttle, on the floor, and it stumbles, not bad but noticeable. Is this a candidate for changing the Accel Enrichment Table? What are typical changes?
Title: Re: Throttle Blip Stumble, TTS
Post by: Ohio HD on November 28, 2020, 05:55:32 PM
If it throttles ok when the motor is cold, but stumbles when warmed up, I'd say the VE tables need attention. 
Title: Re: Throttle Blip Stumble, TTS
Post by: rigidthumper on November 29, 2020, 09:50:19 AM
Easy way to tell is to change the AE table by 15%, flash it in, and evaluate.  I find properly calibrated VE tables require a little less AE, but that's not a hard and fast rule...
Title: Re: Throttle Blip Stumble, TTS
Post by: Don D on November 29, 2020, 10:16:05 AM
Makes sense. Does the idle speed play into this? It is set at 860 I think when warmed up. How about AFR/Lambda at idle and surrounding cells? I had it rather skinny .988 in closed loop. Bike runs phenomenal except for this minor hiccup.
Title: Re: Throttle Blip Stumble, TTS
Post by: rbabos on November 29, 2020, 10:34:05 AM
Quote from: HD Street Performance on November 29, 2020, 10:16:05 AM
Makes sense. Does the idle speed play into this? It is set at 860 I think when warmed up. How about AFR/Lambda at idle and surrounding cells? I had it rather skinny .988 in closed loop. Bike runs phenomenal except for this minor hiccup.
It can if the idle ve for that rpm isn't populated correctly. I always tried to collect data in the 750 range by dragging the engine rpm down with long slow launches with brake and clutch a few times.
Ron
Title: Re: Throttle Blip Stumble, TTS
Post by: harpwrench on November 29, 2020, 12:08:03 PM
The ECM/vtune could also be taking down the VE in that area, if it's digging a hole you might need to raise egr or even take it out of closed loop below 1500, and give it some fuel.
Title: Re: Throttle Blip Stumble, TTS
Post by: rigidthumper on November 29, 2020, 04:00:33 PM
Remember when you blip the throttle the map load goes way up.   You could be 1500 RPM @ 60 KPa when blipping, and transient areas are overlooked in VTune. 
Title: Re: Throttle Blip Stumble, TTS
Post by: Ohio HD on November 30, 2020, 05:41:53 PM
True story.

Below:
record 119
RPM = 961
MAP - 37.6

Quick throttle blip:
record 122
RPM = 1,920
MAP - 60.9


That's a quick jump to 60.9 kPa



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