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Title: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: 1340evo on May 11, 2021, 04:26:13 AM
do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes or will they work with the existing ones? I did see something about cutting the tubes down to gain access to them, but diameter wise, is there enough clearance?
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: Ironheadmike on May 11, 2021, 07:25:27 AM
I used them numerous times with stock tubes and no problems
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: 1340evo on May 11, 2021, 07:52:56 AM
okay.. are they a good option or are normal adjustables any better?
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: SP33DY on May 11, 2021, 09:11:01 AM
Quote from: 1340evo on May 11, 2021, 07:52:56 AM
okay.. are they a good option or are normal adjustables any better?

The "Quickee" is a good choice for most street applications, I have used a lot of them over the years. I only had one failure with a "Quickee" pushrod, ever,  about 15 years ago. It was a TC, big bore engine with .650" lift, bigger valves (2.100") and springs. The springs were about 600# open force as I recall. The tube section bent on one pushrod, the adjuster stayed straight. Replaced them with tapered Smith Brothers pushrods.
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: 1340evo on May 11, 2021, 09:42:13 AM
Is there any other quickie type worth considering?
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: Ohio HD on May 11, 2021, 10:08:46 AM
When you want the best.


(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/8060ba_fbf67bb7c2ad4415a278b645ea3e082a~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_465,h_465,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/8060ba_fbf67bb7c2ad4415a278b645ea3e082a~mv2.jpg)


https://www.pushrods.net/product-page/harley-evo-fast-install-kit
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: SP33DY on May 11, 2021, 11:23:27 AM
Quote from: Ohio HD on May 11, 2021, 10:08:46 AM
When you want the best.


(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/8060ba_fbf67bb7c2ad4415a278b645ea3e082a~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_465,h_465,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/8060ba_fbf67bb7c2ad4415a278b645ea3e082a~mv2.jpg)


https://www.pushrods.net/product-page/harley-evo-fast-install-kit

Exactly, Smith Brothers. Also custom branded by SB for Axtell, Fueling and Zipper's
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: kd on May 11, 2021, 12:43:49 PM
And Fuel Moto and Baisley  :teeth:
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: Ohio HD on May 11, 2021, 01:10:46 PM
And Garfields Garage too.


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Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: 1340evo on May 11, 2021, 01:46:50 PM
S&S are the best value.. £150 landed.. the others are over £250!... so think I'll go S$S for now    93-5120 appears to be the right item ;)

Can't see a thing on Garfield...

So I have Hylift Johnson lifters... what depth do you aim for with these? .100" ?
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: kd on May 11, 2021, 03:06:30 PM
IIRC they are less travel. 
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: 1340evo on May 11, 2021, 03:52:03 PM
The manufacturer says .030 preloaded?
I've seen people quote .070
And Fastlane Headwotks in the UK who sells these in the UK and uses them on hid builds, says .140

So totally not sure. Got to say the manufacturers advice is the one I'd usually follow but does appear a bit lite.
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: Ohio HD on May 11, 2021, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: 1340evo on May 11, 2021, 01:46:50 PM

Can't see a thing on Garfield...


I know people who know people.   


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Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: kd on May 11, 2021, 04:04:02 PM
 :embarrassed:  I forgot about Garfield's Garage. I remember when FSG started to stock them.
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: Ohio HD on May 11, 2021, 04:08:51 PM
These pushrods had about 18,000 miles on them before I ever had them in my hands.     :SM:
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: kd on May 11, 2021, 05:04:25 PM
 :hyst:
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: JW113 on May 11, 2021, 08:13:36 PM
I've always used S&S or SE. I have nothing against Smith's, but... two threaded parts with two opportunities to unscrew? What exactly is the benefit in that?
:scratch:

-JW
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: 1340evo on May 11, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
They do look nice..

On the pre-load, I'll measure the travel in the units and set mid way.. do you think that will be the best idea?
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: wfolarry on May 12, 2021, 03:18:05 AM
Set them @ .140
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: 1340evo on May 12, 2021, 04:04:26 AM
Quote from: wfolarry on May 12, 2021, 03:18:05 AM
Set them @ .140

Hi .. I'm guessing your a engine builder also. So that's two people using them saying .140 !  by all accounts it make them less noisy.

So what the hell is the manufacturer quoting at .030??
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: rigidthumper on May 12, 2021, 04:48:41 AM
Measure total travel of the lifters you are actually using, then decide. Some lifters have short travel, so their 1/2 way point would be less than standard lifters. Most have .200" +/- 10%
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: kd on May 12, 2021, 05:14:40 AM
I was hoping we would hear from Larry.  He is a site supporting vendor that has been supplying members with your lifters.  He has extensive experience with them and his advice is good.  I would follow his lead on this.  :wink:
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: 1340evo on May 12, 2021, 06:01:32 AM
maybe a new post would draw him in as its not really about lifters.... ?

Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: rigidthumper on May 12, 2021, 06:06:54 AM
He was the one who said "set them @ .140"
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: 1340evo on May 12, 2021, 06:22:12 AM
Quote from: rigidthumper on May 12, 2021, 06:06:54 AM
He was the one who said "set them @ .140"

Okay, thats good then.. no more info required. 2 shops saying the same... .140 it is... :)
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: rigidthumper on May 12, 2021, 06:43:43 AM
Measure 1, just to be sure...
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: 1340evo on May 13, 2021, 05:36:01 AM
I'll do that tonight.. see what they are  :up:

Update.. checked at .207 " so .140 suould be fine although quite a bit of spring pressure at that?

Wonder why the manufacturer states .030 ??
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: wfolarry on May 14, 2021, 03:23:36 AM
The manufacturer states .030 because that's what they're set at in an automotive application.
For a motorcycle the lifters are the happiest when set to the middle.
1/2 of .200 + .040 [to allow for growth] = .140
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: kd on May 14, 2021, 07:17:38 AM
 :agree:   Plus the deeper adjustment may be helpful with hot starts at fuel stops etc..
Title: Re: do S&S quickie push rods need new tubes
Post by: 1340evo on May 15, 2021, 04:57:10 AM
.140 it is... thanks for the explanation.

Just making a fly cutter to do my heads so when the rods come , its ready to go back together. they are in Kentucky right now :)