Need help deciding what bolt in cam to buy. Stock 96B motor with Big Radius 2-1 exhaust and PCV. Most of my riding is 2 up. I'm looking for something to come on at a lower rpm than stock and still pulls hard all the way to the rev limiter. I ride very aggressively so I'm looking for the best performance I can get at this time. Thank you for any help.
Andrews 57 would be a great cam for that.
That's one one I've been leaning towards. I've got a buddy with them in a 103 streetglide. Wasn't sure what they'd do in my lighter smaller cubed bike.
Andrews 48 would be the1
I have installed a few SE204's and those folks have been extremely happy.
If you're not doing the heads, 48 would work pretty well.
What you're asking for is a bit hard at 96".........
Quote from: MCE on September 20, 2015, 04:57:26 PM
If you're not doing the heads, 48 would work pretty well.
Bingo
Quote from: TorQueInc on September 20, 2015, 05:12:31 PM
Quote from: MCE on September 20, 2015, 04:57:26 PM
If you're not doing the heads, 48 would work pretty well.
Bingo
Thanks for the input everyone. I'm not doing heads at this time due to finances but they will probably get done eventually. Why the 48 over 57's? I haven't seen any dyno sheets on the 48's do they still pull hard at the to end?
Quote from: Vwk68 on September 20, 2015, 10:59:59 AM
Need help deciding what bolt in cam to buy. Stock 96B motor with Big Radius 2-1 exhaust and PCV. Most of my riding is 2 up. I'm looking for something to come on at a lower rpm than stock and still pulls hard all the way to the rev limiter. I ride very aggressively so I'm looking for the best performance I can get at this time. Thank you for any help.
that's a tall order
SE204 with a .030 head gasket would boogie, as would the 48
And for what it's worth I'm changing to adjustable push rods if that opens up the options any.
Quote from: Vwk68 on September 20, 2015, 06:52:27 PM
And for what it's worth I'm changing to adjustable push rods if that opens up the options any.
Adjustable s make the install easier (rocker boxes don't have to come off) and allow you to precisely
set the lifter preload. 48s are better with stock compression and will give you better lowend grunt over
57s.
If you're planning on doing the heads later, you could use 57's but your low end will suffer in the meantime.
Only you can make that call. Hope that helps.
Have a nice night.
On the Cams.....
Look at the intake close and see SOME of the difference.... 551 closes at 19*... VERY Good compression cams... (low end torque)
48's intake closes at 29* (Mainly stock closes at 30*) GOOD for your lighter bike and IF using .030 head gaskets and even better 103" :SM:
255 cams close early at 25* holding IN more compression for Low end torque...
57 close at 38* big difference from the 48's and the 255's... You need More compression to bring that cam UP to where it will run good...
Compression = Power..... Lost Compression from a cam needing it = SLUG... Unless you Increase the compression... 57's need a compression increase... going bigger cubes (103) helps... Heads ported n Shaved +cc smaller, using a .030 head gasket will help Big Time...
THEN someone will say Why Not Use This Cam... I think you get my drift here... :hyst:
signed....BUBBIE
THAT is the difference just Looking... Cams are DIFFERENT Besides the intake close... So No complaining about just looking at the intake close PLEASE...
Say you want a cam that closes intake at 40* or 51*.... You need to REPLACE/BOOST compression by a BUNCH to use them...
Looking at the intake close HELPS tell you what type of cam it is used for......
Advance the 57's +4* and when you do the heads you can take it out. It's $50. for the sprocket. I ran the 37's in my 96" Fatbob and it got soft on the bottom when I did it. I did the 30T pulley and it helped it some but it took the +4* advance and a .030 HG to get the compression right.
Thanks for allthe info everyone it's greatly appreciated!
Ok guys I've got a little change in my plans. I now have the money for headwork and feel like it's a no brainer to do it now and cut out a trip to the dyno. So question is who to use for the headwork and is the 48 still going to be my best cam.
You'll still want some early torque if you ride 2up with stock gearing. Gonna keep the big radius?
Quote from: MCE on September 20, 2015, 04:57:26 PM
If you're not doing the heads, 48 would work pretty well.
:agree:
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 14, 2015, 12:56:13 PM
Ok guys I've got a little change in my plans. I now have the money for headwork and feel like it's a no brainer to do it now and cut out a trip to the dyno. So question is who to use for the headwork and is the 48 still going to be my best cam.
If you have money for head work do a 103 first go with a bigger cam.. 57 or 54.. 0.030 headgasket..
Yes I'm keeping my big radius 2-1's and I just have a hard time justifying a big bore until I need to freshen up the top end.
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 14, 2015, 06:41:57 PM
Yes I'm keeping my big radius 2-1's and I just have a hard time justifying a big bore until I need to freshen up the top end.
If you are against freshening up things, then why freshen up the heads?
For the performance. In my opinion a bigger bore with poor flowing heads isn't going to perform nearly as it should. When I go big I want to go all out, and unfortunately that's not currently in the budget.
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 14, 2015, 07:18:21 PM
For the performance. In my opinion a bigger bore with poor flowing heads isn't going to perform nearly as it should. When I go big I want to go all out, and unfortunately that's not currently in the budget.
You'll get more performance out of a longer cam and BB than heads and a mouse cam... It's easier to add heads later if desired then add a bore kit.. The 06 - up heads are not that bad.. You might have an argument on doing heads only on an 88 ci motor as their heads sucked.. But still early ones with wisecos or the SE 10.25 and a Andrews 44 (not 48) or Andrews 50 would smoke a mouse cam and cheap ported 88. Higher dollar heads might give the 95 / cam a bit of a run..
Quote from: Max Headflow on November 14, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 14, 2015, 12:56:13 PM
Ok guys I've got a little change in my plans. I now have the money for headwork and feel like it's a no brainer to do it now and cut out a trip to the dyno. So question is who to use for the headwork and is the 48 still going to be my best cam.
If you have money for head work do a 103 first go with a bigger cam.. 57 or 54.. 0.030 headgasket..
I am not expert but I have read countless posts and the dyno charts . Max is giving you good advice here. Money spent on gain in my option is just like what was suggested . A while back a similar question was asked. I have not seen , may have missed it an example of a 96 inch engine with ported heads and cam shaft replacement that was a decent gain for the money. A lighter bike can get by with more camshaft. There are examples of the 57 and a plus 4 gear in the dyno section that worked well compared to the stock 96 engine. This is a great forum to get advice and save you grief. When I first got my Harley I asked a few Harley mechanics or were suppose to be one. One wonted to install gear drive camshafts in my 07 road king. The other mentioned dual exhaust. I was lucky enough to find this web sight. Jim
Quote from: Max Headflow on November 14, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 14, 2015, 12:56:13 PM
Ok guys I've got a little change in my plans. I now have the money for headwork and feel like it's a no brainer to do it now and cut out a trip to the dyno. So question is who to use for the headwork and is the 48 still going to be my best cam.
If you have money for head work do a 103 first go with a bigger cam.. 57 or 54.. 0.030 headgasket..
Dollar for dollar the larger displacement is the way to go if you have allocated more funds to the project. The gains from 7 more cubic inches will be close to the same with the improved heads, and depending on the head porter you use, and the cost will likely be less. Doing the heads before the big bore, if that is indeed in your long term goals, is kind of putting the cart before the horse. The larger displacement motor will respond more favorably to the same or larger cam and you can decide easier on a 'best for you' cam if you know what the size of the engine will
ultimately be. A lot of cams will work well in a 96 or 103, but your path of least resistance to a good running motor will be to put cubes before heads (and I am a
huge proponent of quality headwork).
All motors respond well to improved cylinder head flow, but I'd want the biggest motor I could afford to put those better heads on.
And all else being equal, the larger motor will make more power/torque... and make it sooner - especially with a bump in compression.
Thanks for the input guys. Looking back I think your right because I had already decided when I went big bore I would want to change cams so doing it now would make sense. So I guess the question there is 103 or 107 and which cams
Quote from: sfmichael on November 15, 2015, 08:34:30 AM
Quote from: Max Headflow on November 14, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 14, 2015, 12:56:13 PM
Ok guys I've got a little change in my plans. I now have the money for headwork and feel like it's a no brainer to do it now and cut out a trip to the dyno. So question is who to use for the headwork and is the 48 still going to be my best cam.
If you have money for head work do a 103 first go with a bigger cam.. 57 or 54.. 0.030 headgasket..
Dollar for dollar the larger displacement is the way to go if you have allocated more funds to the project. The gains from 7 more cubic inches will be close to the same with the improved heads, and depending on the head porter you use, and the cost will likely be less. Doing the heads before the big bore, if that is indeed in your long term goals, is kind of putting the cart before the horse. The larger displacement motor will respond more favorably to the same or larger cam and you can decide easier on a 'best for you' cam if you know what the size of the engine will ultimately be. A lot of cams will work well in a 96 or 103, but your path of least resistance to a good running motor will be to put cubes before heads (and I am a huge proponent of quality headwork).
All motors respond well to improved cylinder head flow, but I'd want the biggest motor I could afford to put those better heads on.
And all else being equal, the larger motor will make more power/torque... and make it sooner - especially with a bump in compression.
:up: if u want it to last go cast 103. 107 :sick:
86
Bore your stock jugs to 103", run stock, OEM, HD 103" pistons. Andrews 57 cams, bump the compression to 10.5, get the heads ported as the cams can handle more flow than your heads. I am not a fan of a 107", had one, went back to 103" and loving it.
I am running this set up in my 2010 Ultra and like it. I bumped the compression to 10.3, but wished I had gone higher. With a good tune I still get 44+ MPG running 60 MPH.
PoorUB,
Might you try a +4* gear to see what that would show?
Interesting to try... You might like it. :pop:
signed....BUBBIE
Quote from: PoorUB on November 15, 2015, 08:49:37 AM
Bore your stock jugs to 103", run stock, OEM, HD 103" pistons. Andrews 57 cams, bump the compression to 10.5, get the heads ported as the cams can handle more flow than your heads. I am not a fan of a 107", had one, went back to 103" and loving it.
I am running this set up in my 2010 Ultra and like it. I bumped the compression to 10.3, but wished I had gone higher. With a good tune I still get 44+ MPG running 60 MPH.
While this is a little OT.. What pistons did you run in the 107? Who bored the cylinders?
Quote from: Max Headflow on November 15, 2015, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: PoorUB on November 15, 2015, 08:49:37 AM
Bore your stock jugs to 103", run stock, OEM, HD 103" pistons. Andrews 57 cams, bump the compression to 10.5, get the heads ported as the cams can handle more flow than your heads. I am not a fan of a 107", had one, went back to 103" and loving it.
I am running this set up in my 2010 Ultra and like it. I bumped the compression to 10.3, but wished I had gone higher. With a good tune I still get 44+ MPG running 60 MPH.
While this is a little OT.. What pistons did you run in the 107? Who bored the cylinders?
I will not say who, but let's just say is is a reputable engine builder on this group. I don't know what brand the pistons were. I can't say it was his fault or mine. All I know is I have built many engines over the years and the 107" was the first one to kick my butt.
I have since gone to a 103", ported heads from the same guy, with a SE 103" big bore kit intended to bump a 96". What I have now is working well, very little oil use, runs great, good power, stock MPG.
Quote from: BUBBIE on November 15, 2015, 08:55:21 AM
PoorUB,
Might you try a +4* gear to see what that would show?
Interesting to try... You might like it. :pop:
signed....BUBBIE
Bubbie, I am not going to bother with it as it runs great and I have it tuned the way I want. The 3-4 HP or torque I might gain is not worth the effort.
When I need a HP fix I just hop on my R1.
Quote from: PoorUB on November 15, 2015, 10:42:03 AM
Quote from: Max Headflow on November 15, 2015, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: PoorUB on November 15, 2015, 08:49:37 AM
Bore your stock jugs to 103", run stock, OEM, HD 103" pistons. Andrews 57 cams, bump the compression to 10.5, get the heads ported as the cams can handle more flow than your heads. I am not a fan of a 107", had one, went back to 103" and loving it.
I am running this set up in my 2010 Ultra and like it. I bumped the compression to 10.3, but wished I had gone higher. With a good tune I still get 44+ MPG running 60 MPH.
While this is a little OT.. What pistons did you run in the 107? Who bored the cylinders?
I will not say who, but let's just say is is a reputable engine builder on this group. I don't know what brand the pistons were. I can't say it was his fault or mine. All I know is I have built many engines over the years and the 107" was the first one to kick my butt.
I have since gone to a 103", ported heads from the same guy, with a SE 103" big bore kit intended to bump a 96". What I have now is working well, very little oil use, runs great, good power, stock MPG.
Pistons full skirt or slipper skirt?
What's all this negative talk about the 107.. Mines fine.
Go 107 get yourself a set of wood cams if you ride aggressive stay away from the Andrew's.
I had 103, I had cast. Took that out and bored with 107 forged. Not looking back.
Quote from: Max Headflow on November 15, 2015, 01:23:52 PM
Pistons full skirt or slipper skirt?
Looks like a slipper to me.
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Quote from: N-gin on November 15, 2015, 01:44:05 PM
What's all this negative talk about the 107.. Mines fine.
Go 107 get yourself a set of wood cams if you ride aggressive stay away from the Andrew's.
I had 103, I had cast. Took that out and bored with 107 forged. Not looking back.
First recommendation I've seen for the Woods. I must say I like the dyno sheets I've seen on them. I worry about punching it all the way to 107 because if you do have problems your looking at new jugs.
well if you're on a budget, or a tight one, cast pistons (103 or oversize 103) will be less expensive the the forged 107 offerings
and again with cams - for budget considerations Andrews are significantly less expensive than Wood unless you're buying used
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 15, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: N-gin on November 15, 2015, 01:44:05 PM
What's all this negative talk about the 107.. Mines fine.
Go 107 get yourself a set of wood cams if you ride aggressive stay away from the Andrew's.
I had 103, I had cast. Took that out and bored with 107 forged. Not looking back.
First recommendation I've seen for the Woods. I must say I like the dyno sheets I've seen on them. I worry about punching it all the way to 107 because if you do have problems your looking at new jugs.
If you like un needed valvetrain noise wood cams are the bomb......you can also consider the majority of the dyno sheets
you see for them to be horse :turd:
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 15, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: N-gin on November 15, 2015, 01:44:05 PM
What's all this negative talk about the 107.. Mines fine.
Go 107 get yourself a set of wood cams if you ride aggressive stay away from the Andrew's.
I had 103, I had cast. Took that out and bored with 107 forged. Not looking back.
First recommendation I've seen for the Woods. I must say I like the dyno sheets I've seen on them. I worry about punching it all the way to 107 because if you do have problems your looking at new jugs.
Well I have heard of the 107 having problems on here. As far as others here non. Don't see why guys are having issues. The 103 I did it was base budget. I got the HD pistons cheap read the instructions on checking rings and clearance, what size to bore. Had them bored to Harley specs. 4k later I got ghost lines in the cylinders were the studs were. I punched it to 107 and got a set of CPs had HD Street, bore and hone.. Took the heads off 6k and no ghost lines, cylinders are great looking, no leaks compression is the same.
You have the balance shafts right? The added weight might benefit hadded bore. Just my opinion.
As far as cams if you want seat of the pants feel, Wood gives u that....no pun, just how it came out.. :crook:
I have the 107 in my Dyna. My ol man has 107 in a bagger both doing good.
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Quote from: Vwk68 on November 15, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: N-gin on November 15, 2015, 01:44:05 PM
What's all this negative talk about the 107.. Mines fine.
Go 107 get yourself a set of wood cams if you ride aggressive stay away from the Andrew's.
I had 103, I had cast. Took that out and bored with 107 forged. Not looking back.
First recommendation I've seen for the Woods. I must say I like the dyno sheets I've seen on them. I worry about punching it all the way to 107 because if you do have problems your looking at new jugs.
You can pick up cylinders from free to 50.00 . No big deal with doing a 107 .
There are 100's of thousands of them running around.
Lots of :turd: posted here . Sort through it with caution .
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 05:29:24 AM
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
IMO woods cams do tend to be more noisey than others. However one must also consider tolerance level to noise. Opinions vary, and I'm pretty sure type of bike is to be considered, meaning you would probably hear more noise if you have a touring. With all the surrounding fairings tend to direct the noise towards the rider.
I will say that the 555, with stilts on the intake are pretty humble.
No doubt if you have a porter you feel confident with he will help u get to your goal.
Forums can confuse a person with false info. Mainly due to ones opinions.
Personally I don't ride like the majority on here, so obviously my opinion sways towards more performance, bigger cuin, not worried about rebuilding. I actually enjoy working on my scoot as much as riding
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 05:29:24 AM
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
Take some wooden spoon and a big aluminum soup Pot and tap Loudly... Drum an UNeven rhythm and enjoy... :hyst:
JMO
signed....BUBBIE
Disclaimer: These views are strictly my own opinions based on personal experience. Your mileage
may vary.
The ghost lines are usually caused by the way the cylinders were honed or,, installation procedure
(head torque or sequence not followed properly).
As far as noisy cams; Wood likes to employ very aggressive ramps to get the valve to open faster.
It's not really necessary if your heads have good low lift #s, but if they don't, then yes, that's just
another way to skin the cat.
Lastly, you have to ask yourself; Do I want to keep going into the motor, or do I want to do it once?
Ride it for 50,000 miles and live with not getting every last ounce of torque?
That's the million dollar question.
Quote from: N-gin on November 16, 2015, 05:47:48 AM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 05:29:24 AM
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
IMO woods cams do tend to be more noisey than others. However one must also consider tolerance level to noise. Opinions vary, and I'm pretty sure type of bike is to be considered, meaning you would probably hear more noise if you have a touring. With all the surrounding fairings tend to direct the noise towards the rider.
I will say that the 555, with stilts on the intake are pretty humble.
No doubt if you have a porter you feel confident with he will help u get to your goal.
Forums can confuse a person with false info. Mainly due to ones opinions.
Personally I don't ride like the majority on here, so obviously my opinion sways towards more performance, bigger cuin, not worried about rebuilding. I actually enjoy working on my scoot as much as riding
Why would you add stilts to cam you haven't selected yet? Why not go for the 777?
The triple cams are quieter than the single numbered cams except from what I've seen the W5 like the triple cams.. Triple cams are quiet except that they may rattle a little at idle when the motor oil temps are high..
Quote from: N-gin on November 16, 2015, 03:11:16 AM
Well I have heard of the 107 having problems on here. As far as others here non. Don't see why guys are having issues. The 103 I did it was base budget. I got the HD pistons cheap read the instructions on checking rings and clearance, what size to bore. Had them bored to Harley specs. 4k later I got ghost lines in the cylinders were the studs were. I punched it to 107 and got a set of CPs had HD Street, bore and hone.. Took the heads off 6k and no ghost lines, cylinders are great looking, no leaks compression is the same.
You have the balance shafts right? The added weight might benefit hadded bore. Just my opinion.
As far as cams if you want seat of the pants feel, Wood gives u that....no pun, just how it came out.. :crook:
I have the 107 in my Dyna. My ol man has 7 in a bagger both doing good.
The ghost lines were due to cylinder season.. Unless you find then seriously out of round / tapered / barrel / hour glassed . Don't worry about it..
Quote from: Max Headflow on November 16, 2015, 07:18:24 AM
Quote from: N-gin on November 16, 2015, 05:47:48 AM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 05:29:24 AM
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
IMO woods cams do tend to be more noisey than others. However one must also consider tolerance level to noise. Opinions vary, and I'm pretty sure type of bike is to be considered, meaning you would probably hear more noise if you have a touring. With all the surrounding fairings tend to direct the noise towards the rider.
I will say that the 555, with stilts on the intake are pretty humble.
No doubt if you have a porter you feel confident with he will help u get to your goal.
Forums can confuse a person with false info. Mainly due to ones opinions.
Personally I don't ride like the majority on here, so obviously my opinion sways towards more performance, bigger cuin, not worried about rebuilding. I actually enjoy working on my scoot as much as riding
Why would you add stilts to cam you haven't selected yet? Why not go for the 777?
The triple cams are quieter than the single numbered cams except from what I've seen the W5 like the triple cams.. Triple cams are quiet except that they may rattle a little at idle when the motor oil temps are high..
Had the cam on the shelf so using it in another build made sense..after a year I put the stilts and retuned cause didn't want to change cams and stilts were cheaper then set of cams. Especially if another guy wanted the two that I wasn't using.
Quote from: N-gin on November 16, 2015, 07:36:32 AM
Quote from: Max Headflow on November 16, 2015, 07:18:24 AM
Quote from: N-gin on November 16, 2015, 05:47:48 AM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 05:29:24 AM
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
IMO woods cams do tend to be more noisey than others. However one must also consider tolerance level to noise. Opinions vary, and I'm pretty sure type of bike is to be considered, meaning you would probably hear more noise if you have a touring. With all the surrounding fairings tend to direct the noise towards the rider.
I will say that the 555, with stilts on the intake are pretty humble.
No doubt if you have a porter you feel confident with he will help u get to your goal.
Forums can confuse a person with false info. Mainly due to ones opinions.
Personally I don't ride like the majority on here, so obviously my opinion sways towards more performance, bigger cuin, not worried about rebuilding. I actually enjoy working on my scoot as much as riding
Why would you add stilts to cam you haven't selected yet? Why not go for the 777?
The triple cams are quieter than the single numbered cams except from what I've seen the W5 like the triple cams.. Triple cams are quiet except that they may rattle a little at idle when the motor oil temps are high..
Had the cam on the shelf so using it in another build made sense..after a year I put the stilts and retuned cause didn't want to change cams and stilts were cheaper then set of cams. Especially if another guy wanted the two that I wasn't using.
So you are telling this buy to buy the wrong cam and add stilts?
Quote from: Max Headflow on November 16, 2015, 08:06:00 AM
Quote from: N-gin on November 16, 2015, 07:36:32 AM
Quote from: Max Headflow on November 16, 2015, 07:18:24 AM
Quote from: N-gin on November 16, 2015, 05:47:48 AM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 05:29:24 AM
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
IMO woods cams do tend to be more noisey than others. However one must also consider tolerance level to noise. Opinions vary, and I'm pretty sure type of bike is to be considered, meaning you would probably hear more noise if you have a touring. With all the surrounding fairings tend to direct the noise towards the rider.
I will say that the 555, with stilts on the intake are pretty humble.
No doubt if you have a porter you feel confident with he will help u get to your goal.
Forums can confuse a person with false info. Mainly due to ones opinions.
Personally I don't ride like the majority on here, so obviously my opinion sways towards more performance, bigger cuin, not worried about rebuilding. I actually enjoy working on my scoot as much as riding
Why would you add stilts to cam you haven't selected yet? Why not go for the 777?
The triple cams are quieter than the single numbered cams except from what I've seen the W5 like the triple cams.. Triple cams are quiet except that they may rattle a little at idle when the motor oil temps are high..
Had the cam on the shelf so using it in another build made sense..after a year I put the stilts and retuned cause didn't want to change cams and stilts were cheaper then set of cams. Especially if another guy wanted the two that I wasn't using.
So you are telling this buy to buy the wrong cam and add stilts?
Not at all. He made a comment on he heard about the cams being noisey. I simply said the 555 on stilts seem pretty humble to me.
Quote from: N-gin on November 16, 2015, 02:25:13 PM
Quote from: Max Headflow on November 16, 2015, 08:06:00 AM
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I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
IMO woods cams do tend to be more noisey than others. However one must also consider tolerance level to noise. Opinions vary, and I'm pretty sure type of bike is to be considered, meaning you would probably hear more noise if you have a touring. With all the surrounding fairings tend to direct the noise towards the rider.
I will say that the 555, with stilts on the intake are pretty humble.
No doubt if you have a porter you feel confident with he will help u get to your goal.
Forums can confuse a person with false info. Mainly due to ones opinions.
Personally I don't ride like the majority on here, so obviously my opinion sways towards more performance, bigger cuin, not worried about rebuilding. I actually enjoy working on my scoot as much as riding
Why would you add stilts to cam you haven't selected yet? Why not go for the 777?
The triple cams are quieter than the single numbered cams except from what I've seen the W5 like the triple cams.. Triple cams are quiet except that they may rattle a little at idle when the motor oil temps are high..
Had the cam on the shelf so using it in another build made sense..after a year I put the stilts and retuned cause didn't want to change cams and stilts were cheaper then set of cams. Especially if another guy wanted the two that I wasn't using.
So you are telling this buy to buy the wrong cam and add stilts?
Not at all. He made a comment on he heard about the cams being noisey. I simply said the 555 on stilts seem pretty humble to me.
So " pretty humble" simply means "not noisy"?? Got it...
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 05:29:24 AM
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
You could just throw a 48 or 57 in the 96 ci and probably be happy .
Most times I would say the 57 is too big for a stock head 96. But in a night train it wouldn't be bad . Did one in a dyna 92 hp 102 tq . V&h short shots . I rode the bike and it felt good .
The 48 will come close to that in hp/tq . Did one that went 90/100
If you do the 57 now , then in a couple years do the heads ,you already have the cam in place .
A well tuned stage 2 will run off and leave a half baked tuned stage 4 .
I see guys miss this all the time . Budget for a good tune . If that means only doing a stage 2 , then go that route .
ADD: did a wood 5-6 in a 96 ci . It went 92/106 . It was as quiet as a 57 .surprised me I have to admit .
Quote from: strokerjlk on November 16, 2015, 03:07:07 PM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 05:29:24 AM
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
You could just throw a 48 or 57 in the 96 ci and probably be happy .
Most times I would say the 57 is too big for a stock head 96. But in a night train it wouldn't be bad . Did one in a dyna 92 hp 102 tq . V&h short shots . I rode the bike and it felt good .
The 48 will come close to that in hp/tq . Did one that went 90/100
If you do the 57 now , then in a couple years do the heads ,you already have the cam in place .
A well tuned stage 2 will run off and leave a half baked tuned stage 4 .
I see guys miss this all the time . Budget for a good tune . If that means only doing a stage 2 , then go that route .
.
ADD: did a wood 5-6 in a 96 ci . It went 92/106 . It was as quiet as a 57 .surprised me I have to admit
:up: 5-6 is a great cam set...they've been lost in the shuffle over time but that cam works in a touring bagger...beats the chit outta 255's...sorry Bubbie...know you love yours & that's cool but we all don't live at high altitudes...
Quote from: strokerjlk on November 16, 2015, 03:07:07 PM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 05:29:24 AM
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
You could just throw a 48 or 57 in the 96 ci and probably be happy .
Most times I would say the 57 is too big for a stock head 96. But in a night train it wouldn't be bad . Did one in a dyna 92 hp 102 tq . V&h short shots . I rode the bike and it felt good .
The 48 will come close to that in hp/tq . Did one that went 90/100
If you do the 57 now , then in a couple years do the heads ,you already have the cam in place .
A well tuned stage 2 will run off and leave a half baked tuned stage 4 .
I see guys miss this all the time . Budget for a good tune . If that means only doing a stage 2 , then go that route .
ADD: did a wood 5-6 in a 96 ci . It went 92/106 . It was as quiet as a 57 .surprised me I have to admit .
A good tune is definitely in the budget. The Harley shop in Topeka has a very good dyno tech that I plan to use. The cost of the tune is what's pushing me to do more now as to minimize my trips to the dyno as I'm also 2 hours from anywhere on top of the cost of the tune.
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 04:46:12 PM
Quote from: strokerjlk on November 16, 2015, 03:07:07 PM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 05:29:24 AM
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
You could just throw a 48 or 57 in the 96 ci and probably be happy .
Most times I would say the 57 is too big for a stock head 96. But in a night train it wouldn't be bad . Did one in a dyna 92 hp 102 tq . V&h short shots . I rode the bike and it felt good .
The 48 will come close to that in hp/tq . Did one that went 90/100
If you do the 57 now , then in a couple years do the heads ,you already have the cam in place .
A well tuned stage 2 will run off and leave a half baked tuned stage 4 .
I see guys miss this all the time . Budget for a good tune . If that means only doing a stage 2 , then go that route .
ADD: did a wood 5-6 in a 96 ci . It went 92/106 . It was as quiet as a 57 .surprised me I have to admit .
A good tune is definitely in the budget. The Harley shop in Topeka has a very good dyno tech that I plan to use. The cost of the tune is what's pushing me to do more now as to minimize my trips to the dyno as I'm also 2 hours from anywhere on top of the cost of the tune.
:up: in that case do it all at once.
some guys like to go in stages . it keeps them off the streets.
Quote from: strokerjlk on November 16, 2015, 07:55:27 PM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 04:46:12 PM
Quote from: strokerjlk on November 16, 2015, 03:07:07 PM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 05:29:24 AM
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
You could just throw a 48 or 57 in the 96 ci and probably be happy .
Most times I would say the 57 is too big for a stock head 96. But in a night train it wouldn't be bad . Did one in a dyna 92 hp 102 tq . V&h short shots . I rode the bike and it felt good .
The 48 will come close to that in hp/tq . Did one that went 90/100
If you do the 57 now , then in a couple years do the heads ,you already have the cam in place .
A well tuned stage 2 will run off and leave a half baked tuned stage 4 .
I see guys miss this all the time . Budget for a good tune . If that means only doing a stage 2 , then go that route .
ADD: did a wood 5-6 in a 96 ci . It went 92/106 . It was as quiet as a 57 .surprised me I have to admit .
A good tune is definitely in the budget. The Harley shop in Topeka has a very good dyno tech that I plan to use. The cost of the tune is what's pushing me to do more now as to minimize my trips to the dyno as I'm also 2 hours from anywhere on top of the cost of the tune.
:up: in that case do it all at once.
some guys like to go in stages . it keeps them off the streets.
Also it keeps the dyno tuning techs in beer money.. :wink:
Quote from: Max Headflow on November 16, 2015, 07:59:08 PM
Quote from: strokerjlk on November 16, 2015, 07:55:27 PM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 04:46:12 PM
Quote from: strokerjlk on November 16, 2015, 03:07:07 PM
Quote from: Vwk68 on November 16, 2015, 05:29:24 AM
I'm on a budget for sure but at the same time I'm not opposed to an extra hundred or 2 here or there if it is worth it for better performance or longevity.
I've heard the general consensus that woods are noisy. I just wish I knew if it was all there cams or a certain few. I really wish I could hear one in person. And is the noise because the cams are beating the he'll out of your valvetrain.
You could just throw a 48 or 57 in the 96 ci and probably be happy .
Most times I would say the 57 is too big for a stock head 96. But in a night train it wouldn't be bad . Did one in a dyna 92 hp 102 tq . V&h short shots . I rode the bike and it felt good .
The 48 will come close to that in hp/tq . Did one that went 90/100
If you do the 57 now , then in a couple years do the heads ,you already have the cam in place .
A well tuned stage 2 will run off and leave a half baked tuned stage 4 .
I see guys miss this all the time . Budget for a good tune . If that means only doing a stage 2 , then go that route .
ADD: did a wood 5-6 in a 96 ci . It went 92/106 . It was as quiet as a 57 .surprised me I have to admit .
A good tune is definitely in the budget. The Harley shop in Topeka has a very good dyno tech that I plan to use. The cost of the tune is what's pushing me to do more now as to minimize my trips to the dyno as I'm also 2 hours from anywhere on top of the cost of the tune.
:up: in that case do it all at once.
some guys like to go in stages . it keeps them off the streets.
Also it keeps the dyno tuning techs in beer money.. :wink:
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woods TW-222 would be a great cam for that if you want a lot of TQ.