Anyone have any experience? Can you run LEDs and wire them directly into the wiring on the motorcycle​? Do you need an isolator? I bought two Kuryakyn tail light harnesses with an isolator and the both are bad. The first one the brake lights wouldn't work, the last one the tail lights would go out when the brake is applied, plus the one turn light does not light on the trailer. I am ready to toss in the towel and wire everything direct!
My trailer had leds when I bought it in 09
I still use the same trailer with my 2014, and my 16
Purchased a wiring adapter/harness from MC Hitches to work with the new canbus system on the Rushmore bikes
Worked flawless
JMHO
Quote from: HOGMIKE on April 21, 2017, 06:26:09 PM
My trailer had leds when I bought it in 09
I still use the same trailer with my 2014, and my 16
Purchased a wiring adapter/harness from MC Hitches to work with the new canbus system on the Rushmore bikes
Worked flawless
JMHO
MCHitch is no longer in the business, at least it appears that way. Their web page says they are closed for medical reasons and if you go to their Facebook page the last post is over a year ago!
The LED you are trying to wire up is it one or two set of LEDs per side? Brake and running same LED with need of a resistor.
How many wires per side and what are they?
Quote from: PoorUB on April 21, 2017, 06:31:50 PM
Quote from: HOGMIKE on April 21, 2017, 06:26:09 PM
My trailer had leds when I bought it in 09
I still use the same trailer with my 2014, and my 16
Purchased a wiring adapter/harness from MC Hitches to work with the new canbus system on the Rushmore bikes
Worked flawless
JMHO
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MCHitch is no longer in the business, at least it appears that way. Their web page says they are closed for medical reasons and if you go to their Facebook page the last post is over a year ago!
Bummer, always had great service from them.
Quote from: Harley_Cruiser Rocker Lockers on April 21, 2017, 06:35:32 PM
The LED you are trying to wire up is it one or two set of LEDs per side? Brake and running same LED with need of a resistor.
How many wires per side and what are they?
This trailer wiring worked fine on my 2005 & 2010 Ultra. This 2016 Limited is not cooperating. I have duplicated the lighting on the bike to the trailer, separate right turn, left turn, tai light and brake light. I have done some research and pretty sure Kuryakyn has their head up their back side because other lighting isolators come with a Can-Bus adapter added to the mix.
I actually just did a hitch and wire install on a '15 Limited yesterday. I used the FBI harness and it was simple/ It had an Isolator and a relay.
yup, the 14 and newer have can-bus wiring and you will need the little tricker box thingie to fool the BCM on the bike,, the Drag part # is p-3902-0160 its really simple, you plus the thing right into the harness under the seat and there is a hot wire leading to the battery
I went out and looked at the lighting on the Limited tonight. I never paid much attention to it, but the same bulbs in the tour pack run tail brake and turn. The same bulbs! Low intensity for tail, high intensity for brake and turn, plus some bulbs are tail and brake, and others do all three functions. :banghead: No wonder it gets difficult!! :emoGroan:
Quote from: PoorUB on April 22, 2017, 07:17:53 PM
I went out and looked at the lighting on the Limited tonight. I never paid much attention to it, but the same bulbs in the tour pack run tail brake and turn. The same bulbs! Low intensity for tail, high intensity for brake and turn, plus some bulbs are tail and brake, and others do all three functions. :banghead: No wonder it gets difficult!! :emoGroan:
Yea LED usually have a excepable range of voltage, IE 2-3.5 volts, the higher the voltage the brighter they light up. This is where the resistors come in to control the two functions. The run will have the resistor, the brake won't, both feed the light, of course the higher current will win out. There is also a diod so the higher current does not feed back into the run. Then you need to get the voltage down to the 2-3...5 range so another resistor, or wire the LED in series. (Each bulb will have multiple LEDs)
Then you have the same thing on your trailer, some use one LED cluster, so it needs resistor, some have two clustors. Yea it gets complicated.
I have a couple LED marker lights with a "low" wire and a "high" wire, I was thinking I might be able to rig them up as a conventional tail light set up with the right isolator and some diodes.
Harleytuner and tomcat have given the best advice.
Quote from: Harley_Cruiser Rocker Lockers on April 23, 2017, 10:14:44 AM
Harleytuner and tomcat have given the best advice.
Same thing I am trying to do with the Kuryakyn isolator that keeps burning out! :banghead:
Well not really, neither said Kuryakyn. Which Kuryakyn, unit were you trying to use?
Badlands makes several trailer modules, but I am sure the setup that harley tuner suggested is the same design.
This one,
https://maggroup.blob.core.windows.net/kuryakyn/2595-0000-0217.pdf
I went out and looked at it this afternoon and it is definitely the isolator that is screwed up. First if I follow the instructions the tail and RH turn wired backwards. Flip the two wires so the lights work, tail, RH and LH turn work fine and apply the brakes and the brake and RH turn lights up. Its F'd! :banghead:
OK, this is four wire plus ground unless your trailer has a separate brake light of will be three wire plus ground.
You need a extra modual that converts brake to turn, give me a minute to find one, I'm eating pizza at the moment.
How did you hook up the wires? Is the trailer three wire+ ground, four total?
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Quote from: Harley_Cruiser Rocker Lockers on April 23, 2017, 05:56:43 PM
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Or this just run the run light around it.
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Harley, have you ever wired a 2014-2016 Bagger? I know all about converters, four wire, or five wire trailer lights. What I don't know is the wiring on the late model baggers.
This is the third HD bagger I have wired trailer lights to, the '05 and '10 were simple, no can-bus, just wire it in if you wanted to. My '05 I ran a four wire system with a 5 to 4 converter and it worked great. My next trailer I copied the lighting on the Harley and had separate lighting for all, RH turn, LH turn, tail and brake were all separate. no isolator, just wired right into the wiring harness. I need something that will work specifically on the 2014-2016 baggers, like Tomcat and Harleytuner mentioned. I would like to stay with the 5 wire, but may redo the trailer lighting if necessary to simplify things.
Quote from: Harley_Cruiser Rocker Lockers on April 23, 2017, 05:38:07 PM
OK, this is four wire plus ground unless your trailer has a separate brake light of will be three wire plus ground.
You need a extra modual that converts brake to turn, give me a minute to find one, I'm eating pizza at the moment.
How did you hook up the wires? Is the trailer three wire+ ground, four total?
The Kuyakyn isolator is supposed to do what I need, five wire to five wire. It just does not work. I have the thought they are just poor design.
No I have not, I'm just a guy who enjoys studying wire skematic for fun, my wife thinks I am crazy. I've made all my LED lights on my bike before they made kits. I designed my own "module" to convert the turn brake to run on one LED cluster by using four relays. So I'm just a handy guy, who likes to know why electrons flow.
What I would do is test your module with a test light or volt meter to see if each wire is doing what it is supposed to do. I like the icepick current checkers for this. This will tell you if the unit is good.
If good then test to see what wire does what on the trailer. Use a hot wire on each wire and see what lights up.
Use a mirror behind the trailer so you don't have to get up.
Quote from: PoorUB on April 23, 2017, 08:29:09 PM
Harley, have you ever wired a 2014-2016 Bagger? I know all about converters, four wire, or five wire trailer lights. What I don't know is the wiring on the late model baggers.
This is the third HD bagger I have wired trailer lights to, the '05 and '10 were simple, no can-bus, just wire it in if you wanted to. My '05 I ran a four wire system with a 5 to 4 converter and it worked great. My next trailer I copied the lighting on the Harley and had separate lighting for all, RH turn, LH turn, tail and brake were all separate. no isolator, just wired right into the wiring harness. I need something that will work specifically on the 2014-2016 baggers, like Tomcat and Harleytuner mentioned. I would like to stay with the 5 wire, but may redo the trailer lighting if necessary to simplify things.
motorcycle-parts/trailers/trailer-harness-kit/14-up-flh-models-w-4-wire-trailer this is the one i kissy odes. Seriously, its plug and play. Half hour to hook it up sms run the wires.
this one looks similar to the one I got from MCHITCH:
http://www.openroadoutfitters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_70&products_id=439&zenid=ggg4hj65qtfc82ott6jkg635m2 (http://www.openroadoutfitters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_70&products_id=439&zenid=ggg4hj65qtfc82ott6jkg635m2)
Don't know anything else about it.
:nix:
Quote from: HOGMIKE on April 24, 2017, 06:05:13 AM
this one looks similar to the one I got from MCHITCH:
http://www.openroadoutfitters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_70&products_id=439&zenid=ggg4hj65qtfc82ott6jkg635m2 (http://www.openroadoutfitters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_70&products_id=439&zenid=ggg4hj65qtfc82ott6jkg635m2)
Don't know anything else about it.
:nix:
this one looks pretty close to the one I have on my bike..
I called Kuryakyn and explained the situation. They did not have any answer other than to try it one more time. It is the correct isolator for my ride and five wire hook up. So I guess I will see about exchanging it.
Quote from: PoorUB on April 24, 2017, 09:54:04 AM
I called Kuryakyn and explained the situation. They did not have any answer other than to try it one more time. It is the correct isolator for my ride and five wire hook up. So I guess I will see about exchanging it.
You need to test it with a volt meter or icepick current tester, before you do anything else.
Yeah, next time I will test it all before I hook up the trailer. It's funny because the trailer lights work on on a battery.
The company I bought the isolator from asked for the second unit back and they will issue a credit. I ordered the Krome Werks from Apols HD where Tomcat works. I told him if it does not work I am going down to see him!
I will need to rewire to the trailer to a 4 wire system, conventional automotive style lighting. I needed to do something different for turn signal lights anyway.
Quote from: PoorUB on April 25, 2017, 11:24:41 AM
The company I bought the isolator from asked for the second unit back and they will issue a credit. I ordered the Krome Werks from Apols HD where Tomcat works. I told him if it does not work I am going down to see him!
I will need to rewire to the trailer to a 4 wire system, conventional automotive style lighting. I needed to do something different for turn signal lights anyway.
be sure to close the gate when you cross the border,, don't wanna let too many of you Fargoians in ya know,, :wink:
Quote from: tomcat64 on April 26, 2017, 07:28:49 AM
Quote from: PoorUB on April 25, 2017, 11:24:41 AM
The company I bought the isolator from asked for the second unit back and they will issue a credit. I ordered the Krome Werks from Apols HD where Tomcat works. I told him if it does not work I am going down to see him!
I will need to rewire to the trailer to a 4 wire system, conventional automotive style lighting. I needed to do something different for turn signal lights anyway.
be sure to close the gate when you cross the border,, don't wanna let too many of you Fargoians in ya know,, :wink:
Dang right....
Quote from: tomcat64 on April 26, 2017, 07:28:49 AM
be sure to close the gate when you cross the border,, don't wanna let too many of you Fargoians in ya know,, :wink:
I will let all my friends know that I heard it right from the manager at Apols that they don't want our business any longer! :potstir: :hyst:
Well Tom, ya did me good. :baby:
I plugged in the isolator and tested the output of the harness with a test light. All good. Wired in the trailer connectors and all is well. I thought I was getting a 4 wire harness, it was a 5 wire harness so I left the wiring on the trailer alone other than replacing the turn signals. One thing I like is both turns act like brake lights unless one of the turn signals are on, of course that one blinks, but the other stays on solid, so more brake lights on the rear, which is a good thing!
Quote from: PoorUB on April 29, 2017, 03:21:32 PM
Well Tom, ya did me good. :baby:
I plugged in the isolator and tested the output of the harness with a test light. All good. Wired in the trailer connectors and all is well. I thought I was getting a 4 wire harness, it was a 5 wire harness so I left the wiring on the trailer alone other than replacing the turn signals. One thing I like is both turns act like brake lights unless one of the turn signals are on, of course that one blinks, but the other stays on solid, so more brake lights on the rear, which is a good thing!
:up:
Got a '15 FLHTKL and a completely refurbished(looks like new) 1996 Champion Colorado Touring Trailer. Converted all the lighting over to LED and used, from Rivco Products: HD70074 Hidden Hitch, GL18007-IU Universal Isolator and a HD007-50 CAN-bus decoder. Installed all everything works like it's suppose to. Simple as pie.