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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2019, 02:44:58 PM »


That water comes from moisture inside the engine drawn in through the head breathers, TR is plumbing the heads back to the oil tank and allowing the engine to breathe only through the vent back at the fender. The crankcase has to be vented to the atmosphere somewhere and it will allow moist air in condensing inside the engine. When the engine is at full operating temperature it will turn the water back into vapor and expel it back out the vent wherever it is.
By design the head breathers have the Umbrella valve which only allows crankcase pressure to be expelled, nothing drawn back in. If it is working as designed. At least on the twin cam. Which the video was shot on. Did a double take because though whoa isn't this in the M8 forum,.

The umbrella valves in the stock M8 breathers are not very good.  Iíve watched a builder first-hand show me how air can and will go in both directions.  The umbrella valves are flimsy and about the size of your pinky nail and not very reliable.  For that reason,  I use and external engine breather with a Hayden valve that will only allow air and oil/mist out...  The twin cam design is more solid from what I understand.  T-Manís to mods working together seem like a more set it and forget it solution with the exception of cleaning the catch can by the fender periodically.
Non sealing breathers can cause a whole shitload of problems. You'd think they could at least get them right. Not rocket science. If these things are indeed crap, rerouting the vent system to a good known one way valve(s) can have benifits. A leaky umbrella will cause a big fail in how the system should work.
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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #51 on: March 13, 2019, 09:43:52 AM »
To save drilling, vented dipsticks coming to market by Fueling & A1 cycles

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« Reply #52 on: March 13, 2019, 11:02:22 AM »
To save drilling, vented dipsticks coming to market by Fueling & A1 cycles

A1 Cycles is a reseller/distributor. The manufacture and brand is M3, totally different company.
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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2019, 11:10:51 AM »
To save drilling, vented dipsticks coming to market by Fueling & A1 cycles

A1 Cycles is a reseller/distributor. The manufacture and brand is M3, totally different company.

Ed, you beat me to the punch. :up:
Mike Beland, A1 Cycles, has a unit the screws directly into the oil bag, and installation takes about 15 seconds.
We placed a nice order with Mike this morning.
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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2019, 11:58:40 AM »
   JMO   I like T MANS  set up a lot better it looks a lot more professional and don't stick out like a sore thumb. Plus it wouldn't be that hard to put one together. How long can it take to drill and tap a hole.   
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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2019, 04:14:59 PM »
To save drilling, vented dipsticks coming to market by Fueling & A1 cycles

I dont wanna sound like a dick, but that A1 (Mad Monkey) product solves a problem, while creating another. Thats not how making (or reselling) a product should work IMO.

So now i gotta bring the OE dipstick, and a rag if I wanna check my oil level on a trip, and hope that I dont forget it or lose it, nah thats ****in' amateur hour right there.  :wtf:





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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #56 on: March 13, 2019, 06:57:07 PM »
I'll stick with venting it from the breather bosses in the air cleaner backing plate.

Motors that are vented to the atmosphere stink.  I mean, they really have a foul odor after sitting in an enclosed garage or shop overnight.  Reminds me of my old 57 Chevy many decades ago.

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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #57 on: March 13, 2019, 08:03:35 PM »
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« Reply #58 on: March 13, 2019, 09:16:57 PM »
This product is manufactured by Mad Monkey Motorsports not A1 Cycles.

https://www.facebook.com/m3madmonkeymotorsports/
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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2019, 05:15:41 AM »
Mike Beland sure as hell, is not "amateur" hour...... :hyst: :hyst:
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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #60 on: March 14, 2019, 07:02:56 AM »
  I see on his F B page it says it gains HP and runs cooler. I wonder how much power you gain and how much cooler it will run.

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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #61 on: March 14, 2019, 07:12:35 AM »
Mike Beland sure as hell, is not "amateur" hour...... :hyst: :hyst:
True. Based on this and the trans transfer, that amateur hour title is best left to HD.
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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2019, 07:36:33 AM »
To save drilling, vented dipsticks coming to market by Fueling & A1 cycles

I dont wanna sound like a dick, but that A1 (Mad Monkey) product solves a problem, while creating another. Thats not how making (or reselling) a product should work IMO.

So now i gotta bring the OE dipstick, and a rag if I wanna check my oil level on a trip, and hope that I dont forget it or lose it, nah thats ****in' amateur hour right there.  :wtf:
I wouldn't go as far as to call it amateur hour but for 99 bucks I would think it could have a stick incorporated.
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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2019, 08:02:12 AM »
  I see on his F B page it says it gains HP and runs cooler. I wonder how much power you gain and how much cooler it will run.
You dare question that claim? :hyst:
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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2019, 08:23:33 AM »
99 skins   :scratch:



Fueling = $279.00  :idunno:

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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #65 on: March 14, 2019, 09:21:25 AM »
99 skins   :scratch:



Fueling = $279.00  :idunno:
Sorry, that's just plain fkng stupid.
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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2019, 09:57:33 AM »
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Fueling = $279.00  :idunno:

The Fueling website does not show a picture of their offering. Have you seen the Fueling product?

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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #67 on: March 14, 2019, 10:04:06 AM »
I feel the need... for twisties with speed.

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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #68 on: March 14, 2019, 10:27:40 AM »
$99 is the introductory price.
Those will be $129 as told.
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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2019, 10:35:04 AM »
    Does it come with a check valve and dip stick for $99.

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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #70 on: March 14, 2019, 10:35:40 AM »
Have you seen the Fueling product?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCrXTZvAWAk

Ok, so Fueling's is a bit more developed than the Mad Monkey unit. Appears to be three companies offering trans vent kits for the M8, each sort of different.

TR Performance - Requires drilling. Retains OEM dipstick. Does not have a one-way valve. $-???
Mad Monkey (M3) - Does not require drilling. No dipstick functionality. Does not have a one-way valve. $129
Fueling - Does not require drilling. Retains OEM like dipstick. Has a one-way valve. $279

Is this it or is there something else?

If I had an M8 powered bike and thought this was needed, I would probably opt for the Fueling stuff as the price difference between the M3 and the Fueling unit is really minimal in the grand scheme of these this. Having a dipstick and not having to drill are huge. The value of the one-way valve could be a subject for extensive debate.
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Re: Venting fix?
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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #72 on: March 14, 2019, 11:36:00 AM »
if I was needing one of these things I think I'd make my own,
actually what I'd made is a screw in bush that went away to a vent/filter
and allowed the OEM Dipstick to screw back into it
I'd also lengthen the OEM Dipstick so that it would still read correct

NOTE: I also cut the dipsticks on the 5 speeds   :SM:

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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #73 on: March 14, 2019, 11:46:01 AM »
     If you take a close look at T MAN'S line it looks like he has a valve in there, half way up the line.

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Re: Venting fix?
« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2019, 12:15:59 PM »
All but 1 point of purchase display model we had ordered, for the retail counter, are already sold.
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