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88 to 95 upgrade

Started by fatbhoy, November 25, 2008, 08:14:28 AM

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fatbhoy

Excuse my ignorance lads. I would like to upgrade my 88 to a 95. Could some one talk me through the steps that would be required, i.e. what parts would be required and the make of the parts from start to finish. I have a stage 1 tuned 2003 carbed fatboy. I have money but in this day and age the less I spend the better.

Any help would be great guys.   

Billy

You really need to define your objectives.

There are many ways to build a 95 from a 88.


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FLTRI

Quote from: fatbhoy on November 25, 2008, 08:14:28 AM
Excuse my ignorance lads. I would like to upgrade my 88 to a 95. Could some one talk me through the steps that would be required, i.e. what parts would be required and the make of the parts from start to finish. I have a stage 1 tuned 2003 carbed fatboy. I have money but in this day and age the less I spend the better.

Any help would be great guys.   
Literally replace or rebore the barrels and pistons and you have 95"
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CndUltra88

Exactly, you can stay cam/chain drive or go cam/gear driven and then all the way up to polish/porting the heads.
Cheapest way would to call around and see what a 95 kit would cost from moterh HD as it will come with all the needed gaskets for the top end that has to come off when you go to the larger jugs.
The only items  if I recall the 95kit I bought two years ago didnt come with was the primary gasket that may need to be replaced when you put the larger clutch spring in and engine oil, primary oil and oil filter ... ok those are no brainers but you did ask.
You can use the search engine on here or google 95 HD kit upgrades and find loads of relevant info and then when your cross eyed from reading the endless combinations there, come back here and ask us on your choices, lol.
Also there is a web site called Harley Hog that has loads of info and pitures on what is entailed in doing this type of swap and he did it with some basic hand tools and one or two home made tools.
Ok enough generalization , get those fingers typing.
Rob in rainy Vancovuer.
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djl

Quote from: fatbhoy on November 25, 2008, 08:14:28 AM
Excuse my ignorance lads. I would like to upgrade my 88 to a 95. Could some one talk me through the steps that would be required, i.e. what parts would be required and the make of the parts from start to finish. I have a stage 1 tuned 2003 carbed fatboy. I have money but in this day and age the less I spend the better.

Any help would be great guys.   

Are you going to do the work yourself? dealer? independent?  Some dealers offer some reasonable deals on this upgrade during the off season.  You need to do some reading and homework.  Like FLTRI says, there is only one way to get from 88" to 95" but many variants in the outcome.  Budget, riding style and ultimate plans for the bike are all part of the mix.  It has all been done before and the guys that have done it are here. Best way to get input is to come up with a plan, post it and ask for feedback but ultimately, you will have to pull the trigger.

roadking705

Fatb, I have a FLHRI 02 and was in the same stage you were 3 years ago, deciding to upgrade to a 95 kit, and since I am not a wrench, I needed to farm the work out.  Made allot of mistakes.  If I had to do it all over again I would go to one qualified speed shop(with dyno access) and give them total responsibility for the end result.  You will determine the end result based on your riding style requirements.  Then, if you don't get what you want, they are totally responsible.  I made the mistake of going to 4 different locations for work and each blamed mistakes on the other location, until the last speed shop which finally fixed the problem and I got what I wanted. 

RoadKingKohn

Quote from: fatbhoy on November 25, 2008, 08:14:28 AM
Excuse my ignorance lads. I would like to upgrade my 88 to a 95. Could some one talk me through the steps that would be required, i.e. what parts would be required and the make of the parts from start to finish. I have a stage 1 tuned 2003 carbed fatboy. I have money but in this day and age the less I spend the better.

Any help would be great guys.   
I would check out this company. http://www.head-quarters-usa.com/

KingofCubes

Also this one www.rrcycles.com
They have 450 dealers and a few distributors, work on over 2,000 bikes themselves a year, and have 3 different dyno cells. One for tuning, one for emmissions, and one for research.

Jim Bronson

I wouldn't go from 88-95 without headwork and cam change. If you're looking for significant power gains, you won't get it with the increase in displacement alone. If you've decided to pull the topend to do a bigbore, then you should also do the heads at the same time. The cleanest way is to install all HD parts (95 kit with cams, SE heads). These are off the shelf parts that work well together, and every HD engine tech can install them in their sleep. I'd also go with a Cometic 030 headgasket for about 10.2:1. There are cheaper ways if you're willing to take the time to send the heads and jugs out to a reliable shop and get an indy to do the work, but you won't get that cool SE logo on the heads.

Jim
Going down that long, lonesome highway. Gonna live life my way.

crazycalvin

Like others have said; need to know what your desired results are.  Your anticipated results will determine what cams you need to use.  This in my opinion is the biggest thing.  Why run cams that give power at 6500 RPM when you don't plan on running at that rpm?  On the other hand why use cams that come on at 2000 rpm if you don't run there?  Myself personally on a balanced twin cam motor, I prefer to have my power from 2000-5000rpm or 2500 to 5500 rpm.  The cams determine the power band.  Later, Calvin.

deuce 06

I'm looking for someone who can cut 95 weisco piston to 5 cc to fit my build and whats the price
06 DEUCE
95 CI SE HEADS WITH R&R PORT
R&R 615 CAMS W/ CAM PLATE CP PISTONS

Biker

If you got the money....go to Carl's Speed Shop in Daytona.  Get the "Git Kit #5".  Carl put that kit (carburetor version) in my '99 Wide Glide back in '01.  He changed my stock 88 inch to a 95 inch 111 hp and 105 ft lb torque azz kicker.  I got a smile every time I cracked the throttle on that bad boy. Never had any trouble with the motor.  Sold the bike to buy an '06 Ultra.

http://carlsspeedshop.com/zencart/gitkits.php

fatbhoy

Gentlemen, thank you very much for the responses much appreciated. The way you guys have explained it allowes me to start to get my head around what's required.

My riding changes from 1 up during the week for work, to 2 up loaded weekends.

Thanks again lads.   

:up:

Hillside Motorcycle

Simple set-up:
Headwork
Bore cylinders to 95-98"
Wood 6 cams
slip-on mufflers(2/1 preferred)
Crane Fireball Ignition
Free-flowing air cleaner
OEM carb/jetted.
Tune
Go have fun. This build works for Baggers to Dynas. Great fuel economy as well
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GoFast.....

Quote from: deuce 06 on November 25, 2008, 03:33:21 PM
I'm looking for someone who can cut 95 weisco piston to 5 cc to fit my build and whats the price
I know someone. how serious are you before I go talk to him
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sharkoilfield

Friends an I have had 5 motors done in the last 3 years from an 883/1200 reverse dome sporty up to an 88 to 103 inch HQ build in my own FXDXT. Too many cooks can definately spoil the broth AND your bank account. When talking to builders, one of the "signs" I look for is the replacement carb pitch...we've gotten excellent results with HD jets in stock CV40's on mild builds; two builders have told me all my money would be wasted if I didn't also buy they'r specially modified carb..which nobody else will touch once it's on the bike. Finding a shop you can trust is important, especially if you don't understand all aspects of the build yourself. Remember what the Harley motor is best at; low to mid range torque...I get 100ft lbs at 2200rpm on my 103 and have put about 40000km on it, much of it two up. You can buy all the parts at HD, but that's the poorest return for your money. Heads will need to be done by a competent porter and matched to his recommendation for cam/carb/pipes...stock pushrods can be retained, don't go crazy on compression...have fun