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Started by -deuced-, December 19, 2017, 11:08:26 PM

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2001 Deuce. Thought maybe I'd run over a strawberry milkshake   :wink:
Pulled the inner primary and found the shifter shaft seal leaking. I'd like to replace every seal and spacer before I put it back together. Having some trouble with part numbers. I'm using an '01 parts manual, swimming with the microfiches and searching htt. Looking for some help with a few questions.

Sprocket Shaft Spacer
'01 PM says 24039-01. Yeah, right. That's gone the way of the dodo.
24039-01A. Seems to have followed.
24039-03. How is it different from the other two?

Kinda partial to oem seals but open to suggestions of other brands. Also don't mind brief history lessons. Did case bore and shifter shaft change with the 6 speeds? Will shifter shaft seal 11000101 retro fit?

I'm into preventative maintenance. Also doing some budget cosmetic stuff and a couple of little upgrades. I'm sure there'll be more questions, stay tuned. Appreciate any tips or pointers.

FSG

24039-01 has been revised to 24039-01A, no problem there, your '01 Deuce as a Timken Tapered Bottom End on the left side, lucky bstrd

The 24039-03 is the spacer  for the Roller Bearing Bottom End on the left side which came into being with the '03 models such as my '03 Fatty

The difference in the spacers is the length,  I have listed them before, I'll post again.

The spacer will cost you A$30 to A$40 from HD, they are also available through the aftar market.

Take a look at my thread below and think about getting a local machine shop to turn up one specific for you, cost prolly less than $100.

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=73290.0

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=91739.0

-deuced-

Hey thanks. Seen that thread about your spacer  :up:

Trouble

Replaced the leaky shifter shaft seal on my '04 RK last year, using a double-lipped seal purchased from Applied Industrial Technologies. Part #CR-4260. Harley didn't have but a single-lipped seal so I went for the extra protection and so far, so good.
You can try and make something idiot-proof, but those idiots are so darn clever

mrmike

I pulled my inner primary last winter ('03 RK) to replace the shift lever I also did all seals and the drive belt.

I used all Locktite products in regards to thread sealers mating surface sealers and such instead of the HD books recommendation of silicone. Bike is clean as a whistle not a drop anywhere.

For parts I went to California Phil, that was the easiest part of the job, I used Cometic seals and their double lipped seal for the shifter shaft. Like I said no issues.


Mike
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1FSTRK

Harley has a kit that includes everything except the outer primary cover gasket.
HD-25700225 for 99-06 Twin cam 5 speeds
"Never hang on to a mistake just because you spent time or money making it."

14Frisco

Quote from: FSG on December 19, 2017, 11:24:42 PM
24039-01 has been revised to 24039-01A, no problem there

Unless it has been obsoleted - it appears that maybe in 2014 it fell off the shelves?

FSG

Quote from: 14Frisco on December 20, 2017, 01:21:06 PM
Quote from: FSG on December 19, 2017, 11:24:42 PM
24039-01 has been revised to 24039-01A, no problem there

Unless it has been obsoleted - it appears that maybe in 2014 it fell off the shelves?

yes, my bad, was available in Feb 2014 and gone by July,

nevermind the aftermarket has it covered,  .983" in length, measure the wear mark on the old one and perhaps just reverse it  :SM:

-deuced-

Quote from: Trouble on December 20, 2017, 07:09:43 AM
............ Part #CR-4260.............
SKF-4260 dual lip with spring
11000101 dual lip with spring
Diameters and thickness the same?

Quote from: FSG on December 19, 2017, 11:24:42 PM
24039-01 has been revised to 24039-01A............

http://harleytechtalk.com/htt/index.php?topic=73290.0

The revision is a shoulder, although not as substantial as FSG's. There's several on the bay.

Quote from: 1FSTRK on December 20, 2017, 01:00:01 PM
.........HD-25700225........

Seems to be for '07 up. Primary mountings are different. Also, not everything but  :koolaid: on the black gasket.


Appreciate the replies, thanks.

Trouble

     
   
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Part#: Part#: 4260
Item#: 100746479

Manufacturer: Chicago Rawhide
Weight: 0.064 lbs. 
Product Name: Radial Shaft Seal
Description: Radial Shaft Seal; Radial Shaft Seal; 11.13 mm Shaft Diameter; 22.23 mm Housing Bore Diameter; 6.35 mm Width

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Inch/Metric Inch
Metric Mounted Unit Series 
Shaft Dia. [Min]  Shaft Dia. [Max] 
Shaft Dia. 0.438 in
11.13 mm Housing Bore Dia. 22.23 mm
Width [Min]  Width [Max] 
Width 6.35 mm
1/4 in Construction CRWA6 
Lip Material Nitrile Lip Style Internal
Lip Type Dual Lip w/One Spring Case Construction Rubber Covered Steel Case
Seal Type  Bore Dia. [Min] 
Bore Dia. [Max]  Bore Dia. 
Corner Radius [Min]  Dynamic Load Rating 
Limiting Speed  Material 
O.D. [Min]  O.D. [Max] 
O.D.  Seal Design Assembled Design
Seal Width  SS 
Static Load Rating [Max]  Spring Material Carbon Steel Garter
Pressure [Min]  Pressure [Max] 
Pressure 10 psi Temperature Range [Min] -65 °F
Temperature Range [Max] 225 °F Misalignment & Runout (In. @ Feet Per Minute) 0.010@3600
0.015@1000
Surface Speed [Min]  Surface Speed [Max] 
Surface Speed 3600 ft/min Maximum Shaft RPM [Max] 4500 rpm
Seal Application Dirt Exclusion Cover/Compensation Ring/Plate Required No
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You can try and make something idiot-proof, but those idiots are so darn clever

1FSTRK

Quote from: -deuced- on December 21, 2017, 02:22:41 AM


Quote from: 1FSTRK on December 20, 2017, 01:00:01 PM
.........HD-25700225........

Seems to be for '07 up. Primary mountings are different. Also, not everything but  :koolaid: on the black gasket.


Appreciate the replies, thanks.

PAB979.pdf  shows

25700225 for all 5 speed twin cams
25700226 for all 6 speed cush-drive twin cams

Neither kit includes the large outer primary cover gasket.
"Never hang on to a mistake just because you spent time or money making it."