2020 rear axle in 2011 Touring model

[billbuilds]

  I revived this thread to report that I've been informed that the actual part number for the 2020 and up rear axle kit is 43000213. If you search this preceded by Harley it brings up the instruction sheet for what looks to be kit number 94100083. I was told that's not a good p/n though the mother ship does have the 43000213 kit available to ship. I was not able to bring this kit up on Ronnie's parts search. Strange how they're doing things these days.  Bill

[FSG]

Instructions  Kit  94100083    2019-05-31

[billbuilds]

     My apology, I missed reply 19.. from some time ago.

[Ohio HD]

I guess they changed the orientation of the flats on the cam and the axle so you can't mix the parts by mistake?



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[billbuilds]

     I'm not 100% sure though it is a different p/n. The 2011 rear axle cam is 41819-02. The 2020 rear axle cam is 43000203. The dealer did not have the kit in stock so I ordered one with an ETA of around 4/01. I recall Les's post where he said that just bought the new axle alone so now I'm curious as to how he made these parts work.    The 941000083 instruction sheet shows a torque of 135-145ft lb. I'm hoping that this will do a better job of keeping the axle in place behind the 124LC. Might have to get one of the Big Bear stops too.
   

[HogMike]

Our dealer here replaced my swing arm, axle, bearings, and assorted parts under warranty on my 2019 with the updated parts.

The axle (with cam) and the right side cam have a different profile than the pre-2020 parts.

The torque value had also increased over the past few years.

That has solved my particular problem of the axle moving under increased HP and TQ.

I THINK the 2010 and up swing arm is the same, I have both here but I'd have to dig them out and measure.
 

[billbuilds]

     Ronnie's shows the same swing arm (p/n 47549-09A) in both the 2011 and 2020 FLHR's.

[Ohio HD]

There must be a parts ID issue with HD. The item number 43000213 is a kit and contains the numbers below. 
43000207 axle
43000203 cam
8020 cone nut
41229-08 clip

Below is how the axles and cam part numbers shake out in the parts listings for touring bikes. I only looked up touring models.
Touring bike rear axle cam
43000203 ~ 2018 and up use the new cam
41819-02 ~ 2017 and down use the old cam


Touring bike rear axle
43000213 ~ 2014 and up use the new axle "kit"
41056-09 ~ 2013 and down use the old axle

None of the listings show the axle only number of 43000207.


The strange part is that the new 43000213 kit is less expensive than just the new 43000207 axle only.
43000213 KITAXLEREAR ASSEMBLY $55.58
43000207 AXLERRASSEMBLY $63.18

The kit number is what you would order to get the new style cam as well. the axle part number should only get you the axle.

43000213 kit

[billbuilds]

     When I spoke with the guy at the dealership about the contents of the kit he mentioned two nuts. There's the 8020 slotted one that's been used all along and then there's apparently an 8019 plain nut that comes with and what he called the "axle portion of the kit". I don't see an 8019 listed anywhere. 

[cheech]

There must be a parts ID issue with HD.

I think I can describe what's up.

I just ran into this issue late last year with my 2015 Limited water pump.
As I read on here everyone was putting M8 pumps on them so I looked up an M8 pump.
Thought, well how are they mounting them?
But then read where the pump listed for MY 2015 was the M8 pump.
But thought WTF, the numbers are different.
Searched the fiche for the M8 pump number, nowhere to be found.
Well that's because the part number listed is a whole retrofit kit that includes the M8 part numbered pump, brackets, hoses, and whatnot.

I'd say this axle setup is the same way.
Anyone buying an axle for any earlier MY bikes after they made the cam change gets the whole kit.
If you look up a MY 2022 touring at the SIP, the axle it lists is the 43000207 part number alone.

[Ohio HD]

8019 M24 X 2 X 36 Hex Nut
Country of origin: United States
8019 has an integrated flange on the nut making it taller.




8020 Nut M24 x 2.0 x 15
Country of origin: United States

[billbuilds]

     Thanks for the info. You obviously have more patience than I do.   

[cheech]

8019 M24 X 2 X 36 Hex Nut

Who knows why the parts guy said the 8019 for the touring kit? 
 
# 8019 list as Vrod fitment. 2007 to 2010
Interesting tidbit there likewise.
07 Vrod list 8019 separately and with the axle. No 8020 anywhere.
08 to 10 Vrod list 8020 for nut alone, 8019 only with the axle. 

[calif phil]

and I love the Jim's tool for holding it, I feel if I only use 4/5 times a year, its worth it

I like that tool as well, even though it is overpriced.  Spray painted mine Orange, tied a 2' rope on it with a large alligator clip on the other end. I clip the alligator clip on the shift linkage. Keeps me from leaving it on the bike, like I did once 

[kd]

   I once noticed mine still in place on the axle literally weeks after using it to adjust my chain.  It was still so snug that I had to back off the tensioner to slip it off.  That says a lot for the RB Racing swingarm stability I suppose.

[Ohio HD]

My axle assembly arrived today, 43000213. That part number does include all of the parts. I'm going to use this on my 2009 Ultra.


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[billbuilds]

      Did your kit come with the 8019 nut? The guy at the dealership apparently told me wrong as mine came with just the 8020 nut along with the right side cam and nut retaining clip

[Ohio HD]

It's the normal 8020 nut. The same as what the original axle uses.

I'm glad that Les posted this some time back. I think it'll be a huge improvement over the original style for us.   

[Ohio HD]

I as usual went overboard with the rear axle adjusters. These will keep the wheel where I out it.


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[cheech]

I as usual went overboard with the rear axle adjusters. These will keep the wheel where I out it.

So by the looks of that you wont need the Harley updated kit at all?
Except maybe on your other bike.

[Ohio HD]

So by the looks of that you wont need the Harley updated kit at all?
Except maybe on your other bike.

yeah, the HD kit will go on the shelf with many other unused parts.

[kd]

The Jim`s tool is a great help.  I think I have to stop putting off buying the Motion Pro socket.  Together they would be big time savers and guarantee a properly adjusted and tight axle.

[koko3052]

I as usual went overboard with the rear axle adjusters. These will keep the wheel where I out it.


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THAT is the way to make an adjuster....but $OUCH!

[billbuilds]

    I thought about buying one of the Krause Vector kits but I'd already shot the wad on a Darkhorse compensator.  Have you looked into any possible exhaust clearance issue? The Krause kit requires you to dent some pipes in for clearance. 

[PBSTN]

OK. I want to buy the 2020 axle. But I want to make sure I have the right part numbers. Thanks