No more hydro clutches for 2021?

[Rockout Rocker Products]

Guy on another forum says he watched a bunch of '21s being unloaded, not a hydro clutch in the group.... even baggers.

Guess that fixes the transfer issue.

[sfmichael]

that's interesting - when do the new bikes 'officially' hit the showrooms?

[TXChop]

ECM's have a different look as well. Single plug again

[scotman623]

that's interesting - when do the new bikes 'officially' hit the showrooms?

  Today!! Lots of dealerships took in 2021 stock this afternoon.. They definitely went back to a clutch cable and a new ECM from Bosh

[rbabos]

Guy on another forum says he watched a bunch of '21s being unloaded, not a hydro clutch in the group.... even baggers.

Guess that fixes the transfer issue.

That's good. There was a serious lacking of how do I adjust my clutch lately.
Ron

[Hossamania]

Is the slipper clutch still being used?

[Buglet]

  Leave it up to Harley to go backwards on the clutch. It amazes me they can make a hydraulic clutch work right. That should make the old school people happy.

[biglew55]

I don't consider myself old school, but I never saw the benefit of the hydraulic clutch.  The cable clutch had the ability to adjust to preference and the hydraulic didn't reduce effort or add reliability, so it's contribution was added complexity and cost.  If it goes back to the feel of the pre-rushmore cable clutch, I'll welcome it on my next bike.

[remington007]

I'm guessing it cheaper to produce a cable clutch over a hydraulic. 

[Deye76]

They hydraulic units back in 2004 were much easier pull than the cable actuated, and worked flawlessly. Mine had 96,000 miles on it when the bike was sold. Changed the DOT 5 once. I believe that's why I never experienced the increased effort at high RPM with a VPP that everyone talks about.

[calif phil]

I prefer the clutch cable.   That is a good move in my opinion. 

[Hossamania]

I prefer the clutch cable.   That is a good move in my opinion. 

I tend to agree. I think the hydro clutches, besides being problematic from the get-go, were not user friendly for many people with smaller hands. I personally hated the engagement point being so far out.

[Rockout Rocker Products]

My 15 Limited Low came with the juice/slipper clutch.... The lever pull is considerably less than a cable/standard clutch setup.

[HogMike]

My last 3 oem hydro clutches sucked,
On my 19 cvo I went non-oem and it is nicer than my cable clutch on my other bikes.
JMHO

[Jim Bronson]

  That's great news to me. I love being able to adjust the clutch for my personal preference.

[PoorUB]

A step backwards IMO.
One less thing to adjust,  stays consistant, always releases at the same point.  Plus I  never had any issues with where the clutch released in relation to the lever like some do.
About half the time I would adjust the cable I  would have to mess with it a second time.

[jmorton10]

I prefer the clutch cable.   That is a good move in my opinion.

I agree 100%, I never saw a single advantage to the hydraulic setup & I hate the feel of them.

~John

[BigT]

I have my 1st hydro clutch in 40 years and love it. I installed the AIM slave unit, loaded up on spring pressure to hold almost 150 hp and can pull the clutch lever in with two fingers!

[kd]

I have my 1st hydro clutch in 40 years and love it. I installed the AIM slave unit, loaded up on spring pressure to hold almost 150 hp and can pull the clutch lever in with two fingers!

If it's possible, why can't it come from the factory like that then?

[PoorUB]

I have my 1st hydro clutch in 40 years and love it. I installed the AIM slave unit, loaded up on spring pressure to hold almost 150 hp and can pull the clutch lever in with two fingers!

If it's possible, why can't it come from the factory like that then?

Because someone at HD designed it?

You could ask that question about much of the engineering from HD!

[Pirsch Fire Wagon]

Hyd Clutch is only on Trikes till half year, then removed. BOSH ECM and 17mm Titania O2 w/ Variable Resistor; Voltage supplied by the ECM.

[Coyote]

Hyd Clutch is only on Trikes till half year, then removed. BOSH ECM and 17mm Titania O2 w/ Variable Resistor; Voltage supplied by the ECM.

Model 2021 FLH/FLT Touring platform has received several key updates relative to electrical hardware among other changes. We'll post more info as it comes available.

new Delphi MT22 ECM


new ISO 19689 OBD data port replaces the current 6 pin data connector


other 2021 FLH/FLT notes:

• RDRS is now standard on all models except Electra Glide Standard, base Street Glide, base Road Glide, and base Road King
  
• same 12mm heated O2 sensors as previous models
  
• same exhaust system fitment as previous models
  
• cable clutch actuation on each of the models we inspected including Tri Glide
  

[FLSTFIDave]

My last 7 Harleys have had the Hydraulic clutch.  I much prefer it to the cable.  Especially on built motors.  I feel its a stop backwards, and obviously a cost cutting measure for the MoCo.

Will it still be slip and assist clutch, or we going backwards there also?

[Buglet]

  I'am surprise that didn't go with a OBD2 connector, I think in Europe all bikes have to be OBD2 now. A lot of other bikes switch over all ready. I guess it's a Harley thing.

[cheech]

My last 7 Harleys have had the Hydraulic clutch.  I much prefer it to the cable.  Especially on built motors.  I feel its a stop backwards, and obviously a cost cutting measure for the MoCo.

Will it still be slip and assist clutch, or we going backwards there also?

I was thinking they're trying to get out of the liability also besides the cost ordeal. Recalls with the master cylinders where the clutch wouldn't disengage, transfer issues and whatever else.