120R Project

[Flat Dog]

Brain damaged question, but what else is needed for a 12R install? Looks to me like I will need (for my 08 Ultra)

27796-08 high flow injector kit

27713-08 58mm FBW TB

70623-08 ACR Wiring Harness Kit

Will I also need 29667-07 58mm manifold?

Thanks in advance!

[strokerjlk]

your T/B is one pc. manifold is on it. you need two ACR harnesses. you will need a 58 mm A/C backing plate,if you dont want to mod yours.

[HV]

your T/B is one pc. manifold is on it. you need two ACR harnesses. you will need a 58 mm A/C backing plate,if you dont want to mod yours.

The harness kit is for both decompressors ...it hooks both to the fuse panel ...only one kit is needed

[strokerjlk]

your T/B is one pc. manifold is on it. you need two ACR harnesses. you will need a 58 mm A/C backing plate,if you dont want to mod yours.

The harness kit is for both decompressors ...it hooks both to the fuse panel ...only one kit is needed

thank HV. was told I need two. saves a little money LOL

[hrdtail78]

I'd shop a clutch also.

[REED]

AIM  VP clutch will work fine for this.

[Flat Dog]

Thank you! Now to decide between a 120r swap, or a 107ci build which will come close to the same power.

This forum can be a bad influence on a broke retiree...

[Hillside Motorcycle]

Brain damaged question, but what else is needed for a 12R install? Looks to me like I will need (for my 08 Ultra)

27796-08 high flow injector kit

27713-08 58mm FBW TB

70623-08 ACR Wiring Harness Kit

Will I also need 29667-07 58mm manifold?

Thanks in advance!

A Wood TW-408-6 cam..........
Scott

[Flat Dog]

Haha, that is on the list of candidates, Scott. That motor definitely does not come with a bagger cam for a fat guy. 

[HV]

I agree on a change in clutches...the one I built used the SE Billet unit thats suggested by HD ... with the Load on the springs set for 130 Ft/Lbs of TQ the lever pressure required to pull it is unreal ... I suggest a VPC as well

[FSG]

VPC   

-J04462    SCREAMIN' EAGLE PRO HIGH FLOW PERFORMANCE INJECTOR KIT,   27796-08

-J04461    SCREAMIN' EAGLE PRO HIGH FLOW 58 MM EFI INDUCTION MODULE,   27713-08

-J04441    AUTOMATIC COMPRESSION RELEASE OVERLAY HARNESS,   70623-08

[les]

Do you have the prices of these parts?  I know the 120R itself cost $5,495 but don't know the cost of the three other items.

[les]

Also, do you know the part number of the 120R?  Thanks.

[Flat Dog]

Les: 19220-11 Motor $4999 plus $220 shipping from St Paul Harley, 2 in stock-1 after tonight, as I have made the decision the get divorced-er-get the motor

Zanotti prices:

27796-08 high flow injector kit 108.60

27713-08 58mm SE FBW TB 309.60

70623-08 ACR Wiring Harness Kit 38.93

You'll need the 58mm backing plate for the SE air cleaner as well, or modify your existing one as well as a clutch able to handle the torque. I will probably go with an AIM unit with the heavier spring, or am all ears if anyone else has a more economical solution. I just like the easy pull in average riding conditions of the AIM VPC.

With labor and tune, I am looking at just under $7k.

[les]

Do you have a part number for the backing plate?

[Flat Dog]

I am going to mod mine, not sure if you can get just the plate. The kit number is 29515-08

Might want to ask your local dealer if the plate is available without the kit.

[tomcat64]

compensator??

[strokerjlk]

compensator??

comes on the crate motor

[Flat Dog]

Yep-almost everything is there already. I ordered the rest of the parts from Zanotti minus the backing plate which I will try to get as an individual item from the local dealer, since opening up the existing plate looks as tho it might ruin the venturi effect. Not sure I am good enough with a Dremel to keep that nice clean bevel going...

[hotroadking]

how  you gonna tune it...

[Flat Dog]

Paid for the motor-should ship in a day or two, extra parts are ordered from Z, and the wife still doesn't suspect anything. Haha

So does everyone agree on the VPC plus a clutch plate/disc kit such as the SE or the Energy One, or would a total unit such as the Rivera Pro be better? I am a little concerned about the stock basket's longevity, and want to get everything right the first time. Also shattered the left hand in a wreck, so arthritis/ease of pull is a concern as well.

how  you gonna tune it...

Doc at http://www.docsperformancetuning.com/ of course.

[build it]

Your best bet would be to call Doc and ask him, if it is the Doc I think it is, then he knows a thing or three about building and he can guide you down the right path.

[strokerjlk]

So does everyone agree on the VPC plus a clutch plate/disc kit such as the SE or the Energy One, or would a total unit such as the Rivera Pro be better? I am a little concerned about the stock basket's longevity, and want to get everything right the first time. Also shattered the left hand in a wreck, so arthritis/ease of pull is a concern as well.

no I don't agree with just a clutch kit and vpc. your going to need a GOOD clutch set up as you said maybe rivera.
I can tell you the one I tuned, had the SE race clutch pressure plate with stock disks in it. the dealer had it jacked up on the lever adj when it got to me. the pushrod and throwout bearing went to sh*t. I could already see the stock disks were not enough.
so when it went back together with all the new parts,I put a Alto carbonite extra plate kit in it as well. even with the clutch adjusted up to 160 lb rating it wouldn't hold it all the way down low.
the vpc does nothing down low to help hook it up. it will help the clutch pull some. but it doesn't help hook the clutch until 3800-4000 rpms. this one didn't have a vpc. it was /is one mean mother to pull. I wouldn't reccommend it.

[Flat Dog]

Yep, Doc is helping me which is really cool of him-he's a busy man! I had looked at the extra plate kit with a VPC, but I was thinking exactly what Stroker posted-that initial hook up would be lacking compared to just replacing the whole deal with a real clutch purpose built for these kinds of applications. i know nothing about Rivera and Barnett clutches, so it's time to do some website reading. It would be dumb to dump all of this time, effort and $ into the build, then skimp out on getting the power to the pavement.

[ThumperDeuce]

I used a stock clutch with the extra plate, SE spring, VPC92 in my 120.  Their was some slight clutch slippage and one of the plates broke during the initial tuning process.  We are going to try a Scorpion clutch in it next. I don't remember which springs are going in.