Dyojet Power Vision

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It is impossible to cover all applications, as FM only has so much in terms of resources and bikes and we are doing this to support FM and Power Vision. We are first working to make sure we have the most popular combinations we work with ready to go. As noted earlier, FM supports Bob Woods and we will likely test some other cams than the TW-555, however I do not have anything specifically. I do not see FM developing cals for the 120 in house anytime soon, I do not have specific info on everything Dynojet is working on.

Are there plans to develop base cals for 110" motors? Will the product include the cost of the basic auto-tune feature or with this software be an additional price? Any target for the Basic Auto-tune software release?

[Jamie Long]

Are there plans to develop base cals for 110" motors? Will the product include the cost of the basic auto-tune feature or with this software be an additional price? Any target for the Basic Auto-tune software release?

Yes there are Power Vision calibrations available for 110" models, FM has done two cals for the 2010-2011 CVO Touring we have a cal with the Wood's TW-7H cams, Jackpot 2/1/2 and Jackpot mufflers, and a cal with the same exhaust and the stock SE255 cams. I do not have a a specific layout on what Dynojet has scheduled for bikes or the timeline. Right now for FM it is a matter of logistics in terms of building cals around customer work and other R&D we are involved in, getting bikes in place, and having the parts and resources available when we need them. The PV includes all software upgrades which are free. I do not yet have a specific date on the AT Basic app

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Are there plans to develop base cals for 110" motors? Will the product include the cost of the basic auto-tune feature or with this software be an additional price? Any target for the Basic Auto-tune software release?

Yes there are Power Vision calibrations available for 110" models, FM has done two cals for the 2010-2011 CVO Touring we have a cal with the Wood's TW-7H cams, Jackpot 2/1/2 and Jackpot mufflers, and a cal with the same exhaust and the stock SE255 cams. I do not have a a specific layout on what Dynojet has scheduled for bikes or the timeline. Right now for FM it is a matter of logistics in terms of building cals around customer work and other R&D we are involved in, getting bikes in place, and having the parts and resources available when we need them. The PV includes all software upgrades which are free. I do not yet have a specific date on the AT Basic app

Jamie, thanks for the quick follow-up. Do you have any plans to do more 110's in the near future? In particular, a 110' with hi-flo heads, hi-lift cam, 58mm TB and 2:1 exhaust? I would think this would be a common configuration for anyone looking to build a higher performance 110".

[Jamie Long]

Are there plans to develop base cals for 110" motors? Will the product include the cost of the basic auto-tune feature or with this software be an additional price? Any target for the Basic Auto-tune software release?

Yes there are Power Vision calibrations available for 110" models, FM has done two cals for the 2010-2011 CVO Touring we have a cal with the Wood's TW-7H cams, Jackpot 2/1/2 and Jackpot mufflers, and a cal with the same exhaust and the stock SE255 cams. I do not have a a specific layout on what Dynojet has scheduled for bikes or the timeline. Right now for FM it is a matter of logistics in terms of building cals around customer work and other R&D we are involved in, getting bikes in place, and having the parts and resources available when we need them. The PV includes all software upgrades which are free. I do not yet have a specific date on the AT Basic app

Jamie, thanks for the quick follow-up. Do you have any plans to do more 110's in the near future? In particular, a 110' with hi-flo heads, hi-lift cam, 58mm TB and 2:1 exhaust? I would think this would be a common configuration for anyone looking to build a higher performance 110".

I do not have anything currently in the works, but it should only be a matter of time

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Jamie, sorry if these questions have been asked before.

Will the Auto-tune feature have the ability to auto-tune timing? I know that may be too much to ask, but I wonder.  If it's not in the auto-tune, is it one of the things that can be changed on the fly?

Is the Auto-tune Pro part of it married to the VIN number as well?  In other words do I need an Auto-tune Pro for each bike I tune? I own 4 bikes and it would cost me another $1500.

Is the screen compatible with VESA mounts?

[Jamie Long]

Jamie, sorry if these questions have been asked before.

Will the Auto-tune feature have the ability to auto-tune timing? I know that may be too much to ask, but I wonder.  If it's not in the auto-tune, is it one of the things that can be changed on the fly?

Is the Auto-tune Pro part of it married to the VIN number as well?  In other words do I need an Auto-tune Pro for each bike I tune? I own 4 bikes and it would cost me another $1500.

Is the screen compatible with VESA mounts?

The Auto Tune feature will populate VE values only. Changes to the calibration cannot be made on the fly, however you can easily change cals and also make adjustments to some tables right on the PV display but the bike cannot be running when you reflash. Auto Tune Pro uses the optional AT-100 which does not marry to the bike and can be used to tune multiple bikes. The PV display has AMPS 4 hole mounting and works with a wide range of mounting options. Below are the physical specs on the unit

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Auto Tune Pro uses the optional AT-100 which does not marry to the bike and can be used to tune multiple bikes.

Jamie,
Does the AT100 make changes to the base calibration VE values? Or does it use the base calibration VE and modify the injector duty cycle?
Are you saying if a tuner puchases the AT100 and the customer purchases the Vision, the tuner can use the AT100 to tune one bike, remove it (open loop but precisely tuned) and move on to the next bike?
Thanks,
Bob

[hogsty]

How much data can it log?  30 minutes, an hour, etc.

[Jamie Long]

Jamie,
Does the AT100 make changes to the base calibration VE values? Or does it use the base calibration VE and modify the injector duty cycle?
Are you saying if a tuner puchases the AT100 and the customer purchases the Vision, the tuner can use the AT100 to tune one bike, remove it (open loop but precisely tuned) and move on to the next bike?
Thanks,
Bob

Auto Tune Pro is a tuning application within Power Vision, the Dynojet AT-100 w/dual Bosch wideband sensors is simply the hardware Power Vision uses for logging AFR data. When you run Auto Tune Pro the PV logs AFR data from the widebands along with data from various ECM channels, with this info the AT Pro application is then able to populate a corrected VE table which can be reflashed to the ECM from the PV display. You can remove the AT-100 once your tune is developed or you can leave it installed and montor front/rear AFR in real time on the display, you can also use a single AT-100 to tune as many bikes you like. Also note once tuned you can also reinstall the factory nbO2 sensors to allow normal closed operation.

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Jamie,
Does the AT100 make changes to the base calibration VE values? Or does it use the base calibration VE and modify the injector duty cycle?
Are you saying if a tuner puchases the AT100 and the customer purchases the Vision, the tuner can use the AT100 to tune one bike, remove it (open loop but precisely tuned) and move on to the next bike?
Thanks,
Bob

Auto Tune Pro is a tuning application within Power Vision, the Dynojet AT-100 w/dual Bosch wideband sensors is simply the hardware Power Vision uses for logging AFR data. When you run Auto Tune Pro the PV logs AFR data from the widebands along with data from various ECM channels, with this info the AT Pro application is then able to populate a corrected VE table which can be reflashed to the ECM from the PV display. You can remove the AT-100 once your tune is developed or you can leave it installed and montor front/rear AFR in real time on the display, you can also use a single AT-100 to tune as many bikes you like. Also note once tuned you can also reinstall the factory nbO2 sensors to allow normal closed operation.

Interesting...is there screw in bung adapter that would enable temporary use of the larger O2 sensors for tuning that could then be removed in order to reinstall the smaller stock sensors that come on a 2010 Touring bike. I could see using AT-100 to tune the open loop portion of a map and after it was tuned, unplug the piggy-back AT-100 and returning to the stock sensors. In my case, I have the smaller sensors so I'm wondering if a temporary bung adapter would meet the need temporarily?

[Jamie Long]

How much data can it log?  30 minutes, an hour, etc.

Power Vision has 2GB of memory, to put this into perspective this would allow for approx 30-35 hours of data while logging all available channels

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Auto Tune Pro is a tuning application within Power Vision, the Dynojet AT-100 w/dual Bosch wideband sensors is simply the hardware Power Vision uses for logging AFR data. When you run Auto Tune Pro the PV logs AFR data from the widebands along with data from various ECM channels, with this info the AT Pro application is then able to populate a corrected VE table which can be reflashed to the ECM from the PV display. You can remove the AT-100 once your tune is developed or you can leave it installed and monitor front/rear AFR in real time on the display, you can also use a single AT-100 to tune as many bikes you like. Also note once tuned you can also reinstall the factory nbO2 sensors to allow normal closed operation.

This sounds like a really valuable tool for tuners, especially ones with limited experience:
Simply install the AT100 to the Vision system, let the system auto-tune on the dyno to target AFRs, tune timing, remove AT100 from bike, reinstall OEM O2 sensors and the system reads the nbO2s and adjusts/compensates just like the OEM system???

Can't wait to see it action...@ the v-twin expo ya think?
Thanks,
Bob

[Jamie Long]

Jamie,
Does the AT100 make changes to the base calibration VE values? Or does it use the base calibration VE and modify the injector duty cycle?
Are you saying if a tuner puchases the AT100 and the customer purchases the Vision, the tuner can use the AT100 to tune one bike, remove it (open loop but precisely tuned) and move on to the next bike?
Thanks,
Bob

Auto Tune Pro is a tuning application within Power Vision, the Dynojet AT-100 w/dual Bosch wideband sensors is simply the hardware Power Vision uses for logging AFR data. When you run Auto Tune Pro the PV logs AFR data from the widebands along with data from various ECM channels, with this info the AT Pro application is then able to populate a corrected VE table which can be reflashed to the ECM from the PV display. You can remove the AT-100 once your tune is developed or you can leave it installed and montor front/rear AFR in real time on the display, you can also use a single AT-100 to tune as many bikes you like. Also note once tuned you can also reinstall the factory nbO2 sensors to allow normal closed operation.

Interesting...is there screw in bung adapter that would enable temporary use of the larger O2 sensors for tuning that could then be removed in order to reinstall the smaller stock sensors that come on a 2010 Touring bike. I could see using AT-100 to tune the open loop portion of a map and after it was tuned, unplug the piggy-back AT-100 and returning to the stock sensors. In my case, I have the smaller sensors so I'm wondering if a temporary bung adapter would meet the need temporarily?

Unfortunately, there is not a way to adapt the 18mm sensors into the 12mm bungs

[Jamie Long]

Simply install the AT100 to the Vision system, let the system auto-tune on the dyno to target AFRs, tune timing, remove AT100 from bike, reinstall OEM O2 sensors and the system reads the nbO2s and adjusts/compensates just like the OEM system???

Can't wait to see it action...@ the v-twin expo ya think?
Thanks,
Bob

There are also some pretty awesome dyno specific tuning applications on the way as well

Power Vision will very much be a part of the V Twin Expo, I will be there all weekend and will be in and out of Dynojet and Bob Wood's booths. Make sure you look me up, I would be happy to go over everything at the show with you or anyone else interested first hand

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Thanks Jamie,
I'll be sure to look you up.
Bob

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Jamie,
Looking at the Power Vision website it appears 2 AT100s are needed for both cylinders. Is this true? Or will 1 At100 tune both cylinders?
Bob

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Jamie:
Noticed this on your website:
"11/8/2010  The future of tuning is here, Dynojet Power Vision has been launched for 2001-2011 Harley Davidson models!"
and:
"Power Vision will start shipping in December."

Just got off the phone with Dynojet checking on an order. Asked if I could meet with them at Cinci and be shown the PV w/autotune.
I was told they hope to have the base PV system ready for release by the V-twin show but no estimated release date as of today for the auto-tune feature (PRO?).

Bob

[hrdtail78]

Jamie,

Can you control the percent of close loop base calibration's adjustment with the Vision like with the PCV? 

[Jamie Long]

Jamie,
Looking at the Power Vision website it appears 2 AT100s are needed for both cylinders. Is this true? Or will 1 At100 tune both cylinders?
Bob

AT-100 is a dual channel wideband controller, you only need one of them

Jamie:
Noticed this on your website:
"11/8/2010  The future of tuning is here, Dynojet Power Vision has been launched for 2001-2011 Harley Davidson models!"
and:
"Power Vision will start shipping in December."

Just got off the phone with Dynojet checking on an order. Asked if I could meet with them at Cinci and be shown the PV w/autotune.
I was told they hope to have the base PV system ready for release by the V-twin show but no estimated release date as of today for the auto-tune feature (PRO?).

Bob

Fuel Moto will be distributing the first batch of Power Vision units, we will have them next week and will start shipping orders at that time. The AT Basic and Pro will be released slighly later   

[Jamie Long]

Jamie,

Can you control the percent of close loop base calibration's adjustment with the Vision like with the PCV?

If you are referring to the closed loop's window of adjustment with the factory nbO2 sensors, this is not currently exposed with PV

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Jamie,

Can you control the percent of close loop base calibration's adjustment with the Vision like with the PCV?

If you are referring to the closed loop's window of adjustment with the factory nbO2 sensors, this is not currently exposed with PV

Is the AT Basic software included in the price ($500) of the PowerVision unit (even though it's not included at launch)? Or will this additional tuning software be an extra charge? It's included in the TTS software and was included in the 2010 version of the SEPST tuning software.

[Jamie Long]

Jamie,

Can you control the percent of close loop base calibration's adjustment with the Vision like with the PCV?

If you are referring to the closed loop's window of adjustment with the factory nbO2 sensors, this is not currently exposed with PV

Is the AT Basic software included in the price ($500) of the PowerVision unit (even though it's not included at launch)? Or will this additional tuning software be an extra charge? It's included in the TTS software and was included in the 2010 version of the SEPST tuning software.

All software and firmware upgrades are free and are performed thru the update client, you can also download Dynojet's latest calibration database as well

[hrdtail78]

Jamie,

Can you control the percent of close loop base calibration's adjustment with the Vision like with the PCV?

If you are referring to the closed loop's window of adjustment with the factory nbO2 sensors, this is not currently exposed with PV

Thanks Jamie.  Thats what I was asking.  I am looking forward to seeing anything on this at the show.  I know you have been working on calibrations for aftermarket cams.  Has dynojet allowed you access to change base cam timing, and the other timing events like MAP reading and injector timing?

[Jamie Long]

Jamie,

Can you control the percent of close loop base calibration's adjustment with the Vision like with the PCV?

If you are referring to the closed loop's window of adjustment with the factory nbO2 sensors, this is not currently exposed with PV

Thanks Jamie.  Thats what I was asking.  I am looking forward to seeing anything on this at the show.  I know you have been working on calibrations for aftermarket cams.  Has dynojet allowed you access to change base cam timing, and the other timing events like MAP reading and injector timing?

On this subject I am limited as to what I can post on a public forum as it is Dynojet's product. You are welcome to come and talk to me at the V-Twin Expo or give me a call.

[TXChop]

Jamie, will this work with my quick shifter?