Hillside 124 dual cam

[TripleT]

Mayor,

The reason is simple for me to answer, when you invest the cost of a house in your bike its important for me to know my investment, yes, I view this as an investment, no only in $ but also knowledge will be handled by a professional even if I'm not there to witness. Many seem to bash the tuner I use for numbers, this shouldn't get confused with the way the shop cares for your machine. Your not out of line, the numbers don't b/s, so when I post those new numbers I'm confident of the outcome, why you say, because I know what this bike did last year when challenged and thats without level 4 and 62.  I will be moving to St. Lawerence County in upstate NY next month, any suggestions from the good folks on this site?

[Hillside Motorcycle]

It is a quality build.

[partycrasher]

Triple T.--A word to the wise. A few years back i got caught up in this same rigmarole about Joe's dyno. I took the bike to a so called "reputable" tuner....and the results- SAE -were virtually spot on. I posted those results on that forum.....and soon there after--the naysayers found 20 more excuses.

Unlike those green eyed bullies, HTT is manned with more chivalrous gents who would never ban a brother for speaking the truth. But sometimes, as the saying goes,  the truth shall set you free......and then you too will have to find another forum to roam.

I say--grip it 'n' rip it 'n' let that big dog eat!! To hell with the rest.

[mayor]

A few years back i got caught up in this same rigmarole about Joe's dyno. I took the bike to a so called "reputable" tuner....and the results- SAE -were virtually spot on.

Amazingly--i was banned from that forum soon thereafter.

what was that phrase you posted earlier?  yea, it was this:  post your comparison dyno sheets from joes dyno and others so we can see for our selves. Forgive us if we just don't take your word for it.   

It is a quality build.

not doubting that, that sentence was used in reference to what 3T posted.   Just playing on the words he posted.   

[partycrasher]

...why can't we put a moratorium on this issue. All these wolf criers are simply beating the drums for the pleasure of hearing their own noise......

...sheets have been posted, and yet the insanity resumes....

[Admiral Akbar]

If you wan to show more HP take it to Battlefield HD.. 

Max

[mayor]

hey now there Max.   

[Hillside Motorcycle]

A few years back i got caught up in this same rigmarole about Joe's dyno. I took the bike to a so called "reputable" tuner....and the results- SAE -were virtually spot on.

Amazingly--i was banned from that forum soon thereafter.

what was that phrase you posted earlier?  yea, it was this:  post your comparison dyno sheets from joes dyno and others so we can see for our selves. Forgive us if we just don't take your word for it.   

It is a quality build.

not doubting that, that sentence was used in reference to what 3T posted.   Just playing on the words he posted.   

Mayor,
You are alright.
Scott

[aharp]

All these attacks on joe's dyno come with an underlying implication that Hillside's builds wouldnt be any better than what others are doing if they were tuned on a different dyno by a different tuner. I find it hard to believe that Doc's dyno, Jamie's dyno, hell my dyno for that matter are all inflated. I made 100+/100+ with an 88" on pump gas all day long. Wheres the haters? Partycrasher said it best IMO. In these forums, if you cant make the numbers then you suck at building motors. If you make great numbers then the haters jump on it and call BS. Damned either way. Remember, you cant have a target on your back unless your in the front.

[TripleT]

aharp, a  for you Sir..

[ejk_dyna]

wow...totally off topic but is that true...partycrasher is alibiforyou?

[Rusty Steel]

wow...totally off topic but is that true...partycrasher is alibiforyou?

LMAO.. That's what I was thinking too!
This thread has pretty much run out of any usefulness.... 
Goodnight all.

[partycrasher]

Triple T-
Wow...
Torque dip or not-
I have had three versions of the 124's, a 131, and now a G2 126 on the street and these numbers are much stronger than two of the previous 124 versions I ran, and nastier than my G2 126 when I got it from them with it's 4.375 bore-4.187 stroke... You said dyno shootout's this year? Cool-How bout' a pass down the track?
All I can say is, damn-absolutely incredible.

Triple t......after hearing so much about your torque dip i went and took another look at your sheet---seems like you are running 125 lbs TQ for you bottom end.....no wonder why you don't feel any TQ dip.....good for you man.

[partycrasher]

Does that say 155hp and 152tq SAE?

.....or sae corrected at 115.....is it touchy down low or nice and smooth in low rpm???

[SQUIDLY]

Two types of people in this world. The "HAVE'S" and "HAVE NOTS". It seems that if you are a HAVE NOT, then you put down the people that HAVE. I sure wish I HAD the money to build something as powerful as TripleT's Night Train. Am I jealous?? Sure... But I am not going to drag his accoplishment through the dirt.

a  to TripleT

[mayor]

Am I jealous?? Sure... But I am not going to drag his accomplishment through the dirt.

maybe I missed something, but when is mentioning the obvious (tq dip) or the slightly less obvious but still noticeable item (higher than average number of 1.25 hp/c.i. ratio's coming out of a particular shop) dragging someones particular accomplishments through the dirt?  The key point to remember is, this section of our forum is tech related.  That means that anything that gets posted here is fair game for tech discussions (as long as they stay civil).  Please keep in mind, this site first and foremost is a tech site (there's other sites available if the intent was nothing more than displaying one's personal treasures-  i.e. facebook, etc.).   If the intent of the thread was to show what could be done with the right amount of effort, then all comments of what could be done to improve it is fair game.  If this thread was going to be nothing more than a bragging thread about a particular accomplishment, then it should have been posted in Earl's section.   

mayor

[hotbo]

that is a nasty torque dip,but none the less you probably wont feel and with that kinda power so what imo 


very nice work coming from the Palmer Bros. 

1 thing about jealousy is a disease once you get it you can never get rid of it no matter how hard you try.


i found out sometimes combos just work and apparently they have some pretty stout combos coming out of there doors and a lot of Happy customers.


Best of luck to the new ride and enjoy it every time you twist that Big Wick up 


Travis

[HD/Wrench]

Well he is making more power than this 124 and it has stock heads.

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[partycrasher]

gmr....didn't you have a 124 of your own making big numbers...post that sheet for us to see....it was a monster

[-JC-1]

gmr....didn't you have a 124 of your own making big numbers...post that sheet for us to see.

I remember that! in the 160's IIRC!

[hrdtail78]

wow...totally off topic but is that true...partycrasher is alibiforyou?

Yep, sure is.

The numbers I would like to see on Joes dyno is the correction factor and run conditions.  Quick math shows SAE 93% and the STD is .97%. 

[BVHOG]

Wow, the gmr 124 Deuce is an OLD story, I remember a few things about that bike from the other forum, custom raised port heads, I believe the balancers were removed and it was a VERY high comp build, don't remember cam specs off hand. As I recall it had just about every mod you would typically do to a race bike (coated parts, lightened crank etc.)but was used as a street bike.

[HD/Wrench]

Sure thing John,
Here are the specs on my old 124,

Balancers removed, extremely lighted crank darkhorse 4.625, coated non stick on crank, pistons, rods.
R&R welded/ raised port heads ,  jigged geometry 2.080 intake 1.710 ex,  These where one offs to try to be as close to the R&R oval port billet head, 4 comp releases
REV 4.125 cylinders  12.9.1  or 13.1 compression ( might have been more as we did play with cam timing & head gaskets been too long now) CCP in the 130 range
S&S 640 challenge cam custom rocker ratio both intake and exhaust by Dan B
Zippers 54 MM t/b with porting, modded manifold
Primo belt drive & chain conversion kit.
back cut gears, coated gears, lightened shafts, ( gun drilled on one or both shafts again been a long time)  fully prepped for drag racing.
white bros e pipe mountain motor core ( modded)
I am sure there is more ,
oh yea   coated cams, lifters, gears , custom inner keys for timing on both front and rear cams.

Ran good at the time when we had good fuel...  fell short for a full drag engine though, needed more compression and some  race fuel then it would have been fun, but tough lugging a starter cart around with you.

I still might have the flow sheets from the first head porter on the east coast as well when they went on the R&R bench before and after. Was told the ports where chewed up pretty bad. and where not flowing anywhere near the numbers that I got on the sheets with the heads. Oh well they worked very well once welded and re done.

Waiting to see if I can post the sheet as it does not meet the regs on this site, But I think it is up on my site as well, not sure not that important  really.

[partycrasher]

i remember it being a monster build....

[HD/Wrench]

I was looking for some stuff the other day and came across a old time slip from firebird race way 10.10 pass it got wet I cann see what the MPH was but I think it was showing 129 -133 or so, meaning it needed more gear LOL , it was a monster I had to put in a custom 1 inch rear axle.