Fuel Filter

[Coyote]

After 56,000 miles I finally decided to change my fuel filter on my 2011 touring bike. Ordered a new filter from calif phil when I placed my last order. Filter was from Drag but looked just like the OEM one... just less money.

Guess I should change it a bit more often, huh? 

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[76shuvlinoff]

wow
Been doing river crossings?

[Eglider05]

I've got a friends 2000 RK in my garage right now, first fuel filter change in 154K miles. You should have seen the K&N air filter. The dirtiest air filter I've ever seen in my life. It's only been 75K since I put it in.  I wrongly assumed he knew it needed to be cleaned and oiled once in a while.

Rick

[04 SE Deuce]

After 56,000 miles I finally decided to change my fuel filter on my 2011 touring bike. Ordered a new filter from calif phil when I placed my last order. Filter was from Drag but looked just like the OEM one... just less money.

Guess I should change it a bit more often, huh? 

Or just buy cleaner fuel.   The earlier style needs to be changed more often.  I was lazy about changing my original,  I could feel the performance starting to fall off at about 40K,  by the time I changed it the filter was definitely restricted.  I changed the second one at 38K and it was as clear/free flowing as the new replacement.  Fuel dictates the interval IMO.   Rick

[strokerjlk]

After 56,000 miles I finally decided to change my fuel filter on my 2011 touring bike. Ordered a new filter from calif phil when I placed my last order. Filter was from Drag but looked just like the OEM one... just less money.

Guess I should change it a bit more often, huh? 

Or just buy cleaner fuel.   The earlier style needs to be changed more often.  I was lazy about changing my original,  I could feel the performance starting to fall off at about 40K,  by the time I changed it the filter was definitely restricted.  I changed the second one at 38K and it was as clear/free flowing as the new replacement.  Fuel dictates the interval IMO.   Rick

So what was your fuel pressure drop ?

[04 SE Deuce]

Keith or I?   

I never measured mine but the bike acted like it did when the fuel line developed holes in it,  would run ok at anything up to about 1/2 throttle,  more throttle or wot it was down on power acceleration was noticeably slower than normal.  When I changed the filter the bike came alive,  my buddy even commented that he had to get all of it to keep a wheel ahead of me with his DL1000. 

My 89 Chevy truck did the same thing back when I went 70K on the factory filter,  fuel pump was growling in protest,  dealer techs said that will cause pumps to fail early...changed the filter pump is still going.   Rick

[strokerjlk]

Keith or I?   

I never measured mine but the bike acted like it did when the fuel line developed holes in it,  would run ok at anything up to about 1/2 throttle,  more throttle or wot it was down on power acceleration was noticeably slower than normal.  When I changed the filter the bike came alive,  my buddy even commented that he had to get all of it to keep a wheel ahead of me with his DL1000. 

My 89 Chevy truck did the same thing back when I went 70K on the factory filter,  fuel pump was growling in protest,  dealer techs said that will cause pumps to fail early...changed the filter pump is still going.   Rick

I was asking about yours . Keith didnt say he lost power.

[clawdog60]

bad tanks,dirty fuel in northern cali. whewww

[ScottyMoore]

MOCO says change Fuel Filter every 25000 Mi..................

[Coyote]

MOCO says change Fuel Filter every 25000 Mi..................

MOCO says lots of things I may or may not do. 

[Coyote]

Keith or I?   

I never measured mine but the bike acted like it did when the fuel line developed holes in it,  would run ok at anything up to about 1/2 throttle,  more throttle or wot it was down on power acceleration was noticeably slower than normal.  When I changed the filter the bike came alive,  my buddy even commented that he had to get all of it to keep a wheel ahead of me with his DL1000. 

My 89 Chevy truck did the same thing back when I went 70K on the factory filter,  fuel pump was growling in protest,  dealer techs said that will cause pumps to fail early...changed the filter pump is still going.   Rick

I was asking about yours . Keith didnt say he lost power.

Is there any chance this could have contributed to the WOT pinging that seemed to have been a little worse in the last 6 months or so?  I can't speak to power loss as I probably would not have noticed it gradually. I haven't had time to take the bike out since I changed the filter. Suppose to be over a 100 here today.   

[04 SE Deuce]

MOCO says change Fuel Filter every 25000 Mi..................

  I'd say 35K maybe.

bad tanks,dirty fuel in northern cali. whewww

Don't kid yourself,  that bike has seen a lot of states.   Rick

[04 SE Deuce]

Is there any chance this could have contributed to the WOT pinging that seemed to have been a little worse in the last 6 months or so?  I can't speak to power loss as I probably would not have noticed it gradually. I haven't had time to take the bike out since I changed the filter. Suppose to be over a 100 here today.   

For sure,  you may notice that the bike pulls harder at higher rpm and wot or close...where you don't ride very often,  passing etc.   

Same type of thing with the weak fuel pump in Soft02's bike on the dyno day before yesterday....fuel pressure went to/close to zero at anything above 40% throttle.   Rick

[ScottyMoore]

something you could, something you should, something you have to

[Coyote]

bad tanks,dirty fuel in northern cali. whewww

Don't kid yourself,  that bike has seen a lot of states.   Rick

Yeah, this bike has run more fuel from other states than Cali.
Every now and then, you get stuck filling up at some pretty ugly looking stations.   

[04 SE Deuce]

   Had a bit of trouble in Preach's neighborhood (40miles away) finding gas stations that were still in business or had a premium pump that the belt didn't slip/squall,  refusing to dispense fuel.  Preach,  bless his heart,  was doing his best to accommodate my picky ass.    Rick 

[strokerjlk]

Keith or I?   

I never measured mine but the bike acted like it did when the fuel line developed holes in it,  would run ok at anything up to about 1/2 throttle,  more throttle or wot it was down on power acceleration was noticeably slower than normal.  When I changed the filter the bike came alive,  my buddy even commented that he had to get all of it to keep a wheel ahead of me with his DL1000. 

My 89 Chevy truck did the same thing back when I went 70K on the factory filter,  fuel pump was growling in protest,  dealer techs said that will cause pumps to fail early...changed the filter pump is still going.   Rick

I was asking about yours . Keith didnt say he lost power.

Is there any chance this could have contributed to the WOT pinging that seemed to have been a little worse in the last 6 months or so?  I can't speak to power loss as I probably would not have noticed it gradually. I haven't had time to take the bike out since I changed the filter. Suppose to be over a 100 here today.   

Could be if the fuel pressure dropped.
Put  the map with the aggressive timing back in and give it a go .
I really think your build should take that kind of wot timing myself

[04 SE Deuce]

Fuel pressure regulator only regulates fuel pressure,  can't make it if it's not there....fuel map goes lean at larger throttle percentages and higher rpms.  I've mentioned this here over the years but seem to get ignored.   Rick

[Coyote]

Keith or I?   

I never measured mine but the bike acted like it did when the fuel line developed holes in it,  would run ok at anything up to about 1/2 throttle,  more throttle or wot it was down on power acceleration was noticeably slower than normal.  When I changed the filter the bike came alive,  my buddy even commented that he had to get all of it to keep a wheel ahead of me with his DL1000. 

My 89 Chevy truck did the same thing back when I went 70K on the factory filter,  fuel pump was growling in protest,  dealer techs said that will cause pumps to fail early...changed the filter pump is still going.   Rick

I was asking about yours . Keith didnt say he lost power.

Is there any chance this could have contributed to the WOT pinging that seemed to have been a little worse in the last 6 months or so?  I can't speak to power loss as I probably would not have noticed it gradually. I haven't had time to take the bike out since I changed the filter. Suppose to be over a 100 here today.   

Could be if the fuel pressure dropped.
Put  the map with the aggressive timing back in and give it a go .
I really think your build should take that kind of wot timing myself

OK, I'll go back to my original map next time I go out.

[strokerjlk]

Try the one with the added Afr  and timing at wot also

[Coyote]

    OK, so the original map does not ping now. Got the bike good and hot. So I put your -002 map in Jim. The bike sounds and pulls better with that one at WOT but it does ping some still. Pings some at 3200 and then again at 3800 up. If I back off of WOT it stops. This is going up a pretty steep grade on the hiway so the motor is loaded pretty good.

[strokerjlk]

   OK, so the original map does not ping now. Got the bike good and hot. So I put your -002 map in Jim. The bike sounds and pulls better with that one at WOT but it does ping some still. Pings some at 3200 and then again at 3800 up. If I back off of WOT it stops. This is going up a pretty steep grade on the hiway so the motor is loaded pretty good.

sent another one.

[04 SE Deuce]

We have piss poor fuel here in the Golden state...residents of other states may be blessed with better petro. 

One of the reasons I question some of the CCP suggestions...regardless of how good the tune is.  Rick 

[strokerjlk]

Need some good ole corn

[Coyote]

Need some good ole corn

I'm working with the cob. 

[Scooter_trash_1]

Hey Jim, your inbox is full.. tried to send you a PM.. scott

[Eglider05]

Jeesh, ya think this one was causing any issues? Below is the crap that came out of it. I can't even blow through it. Between this, the filthy air filter, the bad TPS and all the crap in the gas tank I don't know how this thing ran at all.

Rick

[04 SE Deuce]

Waiting for the usual post that goes something like,  Aww ya don't need to change them things,  mines got a kajillion miles on it with no problems,  just Harley try'n ta make $.   Rick

[q1svt]

Need some good ole corn

Let people eat that corn... give me some of that good Canadian crude  I've got a couple of corn Cob's that VP Gore can place where the sun don't shine.... he even omits he was wrong.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703572404575634753486416076

Sorry Coyote, think you just stopped at to many out of the way gas stations.

[strokerjlk]

Waiting for the usual post that goes something like,  Aww ya don't need to change them things,  mines got a kajillion miles on it with no problems,  just Harley try'n ta make $.   Rick

Going on 90,000 on my stock filter. 
I think the ethanol is keeping it clean.   

[PoorUB]

You are supposed to change the fuel filter??

71,000 miles on my 2010 Ultra, original filter. I suppose I could take a look this winter!

[strokerjlk]

Need some good ole corn

Let people eat that corn... give me some of that good Canadian crude  I've got a couple of corn Cob's that VP Gore can place where the sun don't shine.... he even omits he was wrong.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703572404575634753486416076

Sorry Coyote, think you just stopped at to many out of the way gas stations.

Your really going to use a politician to prove a point ?

I live around work and ride with  with farmers . 
So I know the debate .  ( right now they are crying about 2.00 a bushel corn going into harvest )
Most were to greedy to lock into 8.00 a bushel when they had the chance . 
All that aside .... The fuel is fantastic .

[Durwood]

Need some good ole corn

Let people eat that corn... give me some of that good Canadian crude  I've got a couple of corn Cob's that VP Gore can place where the sun don't shine.... he even omits he was wrong.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703572404575634753486416076

Sorry Coyote, think you just stopped at to many out of the way gas stations.

Your really going to use a politician to prove a point ?

I live around work and ride with  with farmers . 
So I know the debate .  ( right now they are crying about 2.00 a bushel corn going into harvest )
Most were to greedy to lock into 8.00 a bushel when they had the chance . 
All that aside .... The fuel is fantastic .

I like it, my head temps are 25 degrees cooler on E85, I can cruise in traffic now in 90* ambient air temp and never even approach EITMS.

My bike has 22k on it now, maybe I should have a look see at the ol' filter, Thanks for sharing Coyote.

[clawdog60]

E85 in the tank?

[Durwood]

E85 in the tank?

Absolutely, don't knock it till you try it.

Wouldn't be possible without power vision, I have 3 different E85 maps and my E10 map all in the PV, Just switched back to 93 octane E10 yesterday as the ambient temps are getting cooler.

Flash the map and go. 

[clawdog60]

More power to ya brah! And it doesn't eat up the fuel system? I don't see why E20 is creating so much controversy then? Some day in the not too distant future E85 will be only gas avaleable. I thought the picture was just a spoof.

[Durwood]

More power to ya brah! And it doesn't eat up the fuel system? I don't see why E20 is creating so much controversy then? Some day in the not too distant future E85 will be only gas avaleable. I thought the picture was just a spoof.

When tuned properly, a guy could essentially run what ever he wanted for compression, and the bike will run significantly cooler.
I like it, Stroker is the one that got me to try it.

Drawbacks are availability and mileage, but with power vision, if in need of fuel and in an area that E85 is not available, run it down low and fill up with the premium e10, flash the gas map, and ride on.

I've been running it most of the summer without any ill effects to date.

[clawdog60]

Sweet. Good to know.  Fuel mileage loss?

[Durwood]

Sweet. Good to know.  Fuel mileage loss?

Fuel mileage is decreased because it takes about 25-30% more to get the afr where it needs to be.

My bike gets 28-30 on E85, and 40-43 on E10, riding like I have some sense.

[clawdog60]

E85 stations plentiful in my area, but few people buy it. Is it worth a cleaner cooling running engine.

[Durwood]

E85 stations plentiful in my area, but few people buy it. Is it worth a cleaner cooling running engine.

To me it is.

We have some, not a lot, in my general area, but if touring outside the corn belt a guy would have problem getting it.