Which Cams

[To The Max]

I am going to try the + 4 gear . can anybody tell me where I can get one.

[No Cents]

Zipper's or Andrews.
I've seen them also on E-Bay.

Ray

[No Cents]

here is one on E-Bay

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Ray

[No Cents]

and the one from Zipper's

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Ray

[To The Max]

Thanks for the effort but I have gear drive that's chain drive

[Jaycee1964]

I am going to try the + 4 gear . can anybody tell me where I can get one.

I have $100 says you don't like it..   

[05FLHTC]

http://www.woodcarbs.com/camgears.htm

[To The Max]

I am going to try the + 4 gear . can anybody tell me where I can get one.

I have $100 says you don't like it..   :emsad:I hope your wrong but I wont take the $100 anyway it might be the cheapest thing to try first. I just had a thought I might be able to advance the timing one tooth

[sfmichael]

I am going to try the + 4 gear . can anybody tell me where I can get one.

I have $100 says you don't like it..   :emsad:I hope your wrong but I wont take the $100 anyway it might be the cheapest thing to try first. I just had a thought I might be able to advance the timing one tooth

no no no....that'll be like advancing it 10-20* depending on how many teeth are on there

[To The Max]

http://www.woodcarbs.com/camgears.htm

Checked it out thanks.

[1FSTRK]

All you need is an offset piece of key stock to advance the gear drives. Bob Wood makes them but if you have a degree wheel and a file you can make one up for about a dollar.
Do not forget you will need room for a little TDC lift on the intake valve when you advance the cam.

http://www.woodcarbs.com/Cam%20Rotation.pdf

[strokerjlk]

I am thinking of changing the Andrews 55g cams I'm running, would like to get the torque happening
a little bit sooner. I have a 08 softail with  103 cylinders sc, compressor heads set at 10.2, sc 50mm throttle body and bassani 2-1 exhaust. and of course would like a bit more horse power without getting bumped around on partial throttle opening. yes I want it all can any body help.

it would help to see the dyno sheet for what you have now.
the hp gain between 10.2 and 10.5 on that cam was only 2/2 . but it felt more responsive at cruise.
advancing it 4 deg makes it like a DME 575 and gives it a TDC lift of 227. with your compressor heads that is getting close.


S&S 570 is my choice for you, given your info

[To The Max]

Hope to get a dyno run in this week

[Bigbluff]

I would throw a set of 57's in there and be done with it.

10.2:1 compression is too much for Andrews 57 cam...if reliability is desired. I'm running Andrews 54 with 10.3:1 compression on my 103 and 50mm TB. Very happy making 113 ft/lbs TQ and 112 HP. A T-man 590 or 625 would be good choices also.

Bigbluff I respectively have to disagree with you on this one, the 10.2 on a 57 cam would be perfect with a good tune. I have it in my 2014 Limited at 10.1 and it wouldn't hurt at all to be bumped just a little on the compression, it would really bring it alive. I also looked at the 54 and 57 on BigBoyz site to compare the 2 and again see no problem with the 10.2 compression. There are so many different combo's that will work though the end result I hope will feel the bill for the OP.

With the 57's IVC of 38* and running 10.2:1 compression ratio, your tune will be a lot more critical. Ignition timing will probably have to be retarded considerably more than it would be with less compression or with a cam with a later IVC...like the 54. Since you are running a wet-head bike, you're probably able to get away with it better than a pre-2014 Ultra could handle as the hotter heads are more likely to have a problem with hot spots and pre-ignition. I believe TTMax's bike is an '08 Softtail which is not running the water-cooled heads, so I still stand by my earlier post.

[Jaycee1964]

I would throw a set of 57's in there and be done with it.

10.2:1 compression is too much for Andrews 57 cam...if reliability is desired. I'm running Andrews 54 with 10.3:1 compression on my 103 and 50mm TB. Very happy making 113 ft/lbs TQ and 112 HP. A T-man 590 or 625 would be good choices also.

Bigbluff I respectively have to disagree with you on this one, the 10.2 on a 57 cam would be perfect with a good tune. I have it in my 2014 Limited at 10.1 and it wouldn't hurt at all to be bumped just a little on the compression, it would really bring it alive. I also looked at the 54 and 57 on BigBoyz site to compare the 2 and again see no problem with the 10.2 compression. There are so many different combo's that will work though the end result I hope will feel the bill for the OP.

With the 57's IVC of 38* and running 10.2:1 compression ratio, your tune will be a lot more critical. Ignition timing will probably have to be retarded considerably more than it would be with less compression or with a cam with a later IVC...like the 54. Since you are running a wet-head bike, you're probably able to get away with it better than a pre-2014 Ultra could handle as the hotter heads are more likely to have a problem with hot spots and pre-ignition. I believe TTMax's bike is an '08 Softtail which is not running the water-cooled heads, so I still stand by my earlier post.

I have seen the 57's run at that on a 103" without issues all day long.  Tuning it will not be an issue. 

[JustinB]

I would throw a set of 57's in there and be done with it.

10.2:1 compression is too much for Andrews 57 cam...if reliability is desired. I'm running Andrews 54 with 10.3:1 compression on my 103 and 50mm TB. Very happy making 113 ft/lbs TQ and 112 HP. A T-man 590 or 625 would be good choices also.

Bigbluff I respectively have to disagree with you on this one, the 10.2 on a 57 cam would be perfect with a good tune. I have it in my 2014 Limited at 10.1 and it wouldn't hurt at all to be bumped just a little on the compression, it would really bring it alive. I also looked at the 54 and 57 on BigBoyz site to compare the 2 and again see no problem with the 10.2 compression. There are so many different combo's that will work though the end result I hope will feel the bill for the OP.

With the 57's IVC of 38* and running 10.2:1 compression ratio, your tune will be a lot more critical. Ignition timing will probably have to be retarded considerably more than it would be with less compression or with a cam with a later IVC...like the 54. Since you are running a wet-head bike, you're probably able to get away with it better than a pre-2014 Ultra could handle as the hotter heads are more likely to have a problem with hot spots and pre-ignition. I believe TTMax's bike is an '08 Softtail which is not running the water-cooled heads, so I still stand by my earlier post.

I have seen the 57's run at that on a 103" without issues all day long.  Tuning it will not be an issue.

  We have done a few 57 at 10.2. Make a very good running motorcycle. Not hard to tune at all.

Justin

[To The Max]

This I great guys lot of very good info. looked for 57 gear drives on the Andrews site couldn't find  them , my wife said I had a daddy look. Dynos booked for Friday morning and we will see where its at.

[jmorton10]

All you need is an offset piece of key stock to advance the gear drives. Bob Wood makes them

I used the Woods offset key to advance my TW6-HG's 4 degrees myself, but as noted it would be pretty simple to make your own....

~John

[Jaycee1964]

This I great guys lot of very good info. looked for 57 gear drives on the Andrews site couldn't find  them , my wife said I had a daddy look. Dynos booked for Friday morning and we will see where its at.

Your right,  In this case the 54HG and set it at 10.5-10.6 and let it rip.

Nice gains could also be seen if the heads are tended to as well.

Very similar output to a 57 as long as you apply more compression.  These cams will carry farther to the right as well.

[To The Max]

 hi guys here is the dyno sheet, your comments would be appreciated

[sfmichael]

pretty respectable numbers  - how's it ride?   

[Rusty Steel]

Looks good, what's cams did you decide on? graft doesn't say, only STD... The 55's like compression; plain and simple. I've run the 55's in a hot 95" for about three years. Runs like a bat out of hell. Somewhat light Wide-glide copy. Pulls hard from about 2800 to WAY past red line. I have all the basic goodies, CCP is 206ish-210ish depending on the temperature...I am very happy with my 55's.
Good luck to you...My.02

[To The Max]

pretty respectable numbers  - how's it ride?   

Just a little jumpy till about 1700 rpm would like a little moor torque through to 2400 and really good through 6200 - 6300 good for overtaking and really good if knock it down a couple of cogs, returns about 400 miles from a tank without re filling at 65-75 mph cruise.

[To The Max]

Looks good, what's cams did you decide on? graft doesn't say, only STD... The 55's like compression; plain and simple. I've run the 55's in a hot 95" for about three years. Runs like a bat out of hell. Somewhat light Wide-glide copy. Pulls hard from about 2800 to WAY past red line. I have all the basic goodies, CCP is 206ish-210ish depending on the temperature...I am very happy with my 55's.
Good luck to you...My.02

Left the 55s in . thought I could make a better decision if I knew what the numbers where, the dyno guy said it was good and the fuel was good, but when I looked at it the printout  shows it is leaner than I set it on the map. the settings are 12.4, what am I to think about that

[Rusty Steel]

I think that you just need a little more compression. The 55's have been around a long time, for a reason, as its a proven cam. If you can get your compression up about between 10:5 -11:0 and a good tune,(I don't recall what you have for a tuner) You will be all smiles 
Best of luck to you.

Add I'm 206ish-210ish CCP. @ 350ft Elevation