Biketronic system + Hogtunes tweeters = UGH...

[Kryingame]

good solid ground?
good solid power?
what size wires did you use for wires running to battery?
can you duplicate issue in garage and if so does the amp get hot?


if it's starving for power in the higher volume ranges it will inevitably pop a fuse as the wires heat up.

might be a speaker shorting when the voice coil get's hot and causing the amp to clip but I would think it would go into protect mode before it pops a fuse.

Geez UN, that's a lot for me to figure out.  lol.
Seriously though, due to the power of the Biketronics stuff, I never go above 27-30 on my volume.  Above that level, I find that the sound starts to distort and it's literally deafening.  Last night, I was curious and pushed it to 40 and got the blown fuse. 

I forget the wire that I'm using but that's never been a problem and I'm grounded in the triple tree where BT recommends.  I honestly don't think that I have a real issue here.  Because there's no way that I'm gonna ride with my volume at 40.  With the volume at 27, I can clearly hear my music on the highway.  I don't need it to sound like my car stereo.  I just wanted to share some information that I learned today.

[tdgriff]

KG are you talking about when setting gains?

No.  The gains can not be set/modified with the BT4180.  I'm referring to volume distortion and possible reasons why I blew a fuse.  The set up with my HU was not correct.

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ah.. forgot you were running BT amp.  If not mistaken, that head unit tested out to clip at about 45 of 50 volume correct?  Been a while I may be mistaken.  What is your speaker configuration again?

Yup, the max volume is 50.  I usually keep it at 27.  I have the 7.1's in the fairing; 6.5's in the lowers and Pioneer 6x9.s. 
My issue was, why did I blow a fuse when I pushed the volume to 40.  I'm gonna try Robin's suggestions in a few minutes.

I run mine at 35 most the time with no problem. I did take out the hog tunes and after that I am a lot happier. No more blowing speakers.

[Kryingame]

Okay,I just reconfigured my Head Unit.  HUGE DIFFERENCE!!! And, I was just able to push the volume over 40 with no fuse blow outs. (and again, that's just to damn loud for anybody to enjoy).

Here's what I discovered what was wrong on my H.U.:
1 - The High Pass Filter was set to high, so I set it to 80 HZ with a slope of 2;
2 - Oddly, the Equalizer on the H.U. was set to Hip Hop but the Equalizer on my phone remote control was set to Rock.  (I was able to turn the phone to Flat configuration and the H.U. to Off);
3 - I did turn the AAV (advanced auto volume) on the H.U. to Off;
4 - And I turned the C.Audio+ (Clear audio+) to On;
5 - Finally, I turned off my Bluetooth and connected the phone directly to the HU VIA wire connection.

While, the system doesn't kick as hard as when the Equalizer was on, the sound is much clearer and, I can push the volume louder than 27.  Keep in mind, the max volume is 50; therefore, with my wrong configuration, I was only a bit above the half way mark.

This was good dialogue.  I'm very appreciative of everyone who contributed to this thread.  I had my damn system for a good while but didn't even realize that it wasn't set up properly.  I guess that's another kudos to Biketronics.  You can have the system incorrectly powered up at half way and still blow other systems away. 

Thanks again to everybody for their input.  I can't believe how powerful my damn system is. 

[UltraNutZ]

 

[hdrolling]

I have my loud turned off, If it was on I don't think I could got to 40 un-distorted.


Glad you figured out what was causing your fuse issue Kryingame. If you need a spot to keep plugging in your phone the rear USB cable should reach under your tank all the way back just before your saddlebag. And then with your phone cable plugged in it will fit in the saddlebag if you want to keep it out of the way.

[Kryingame]

I have my loud turned off, If it was on I don't think I could got to 40 un-distorted.


Glad you figured out what was causing your fuse issue Kryingame. If you need a spot to keep plugging in your phone the rear USB cable should reach under your tank all the way back just before your saddlebag. And then with your phone cable plugged in it will fit in the saddlebag if you want to keep it out of the way.

Again, I didn't realize that I had a problem. With the max volume level 27, the sound is insane. I was fine until I read your posting of going to volume level 40.  Based on your new recommendation, I'm going to turn the Loud feature off.

I keep my cell phone on a Ram mount on the right side of the handle bar and connect the phone to the HU by a 3.5mm audio jack. My phone can't connect to a USB. Heck, I'm happy.

[hdrolling]

To be honest, if you had it the way you wanted it your 27 might have sounded better than my 40. Mine isn't adjusted in the head unit at all. Now that I have all the speakers installed I can start to fine tune, after that I might not be able to go over 27 but still have it just as loud and more clear than my 40 was. 

[Kryingame]

To be honest, if you had it the way you wanted it your 27 might have sounded better than my 40. Mine isn't adjusted in the head unit at all. Now that I have all the speakers installed I can start to fine tune, after that I might not be able to go over 27 but still have it just as loud and more clear than my 40 was. 

This was a great thread.  I really learned a lot more about my system.  Also, what's great about this forum is the ability to chat, share and learn w/o having big brother editing posts and threatening members and more importantly, not having sponsors constantly butting in for the purpose of marketing their products.  I'm positive that the gang at Biketronics are following and reading this thread (Hi Bill..Hi Robin.  Robin thanks again for all of your help) but they're not interfering.  Bill came in and made his statement and even put a disclaimer on his website about using those tweeters with his system and then he left.  His gang is always a phone call away for questions.  I really appreciate that.

Dialogue is good.  Thanks all.    

(By the way hdrolling, I'm gonna need your help again).  I'm thinking of upgrading to the premium hinges and latches on my tourpak.  But, that's a conversation for another day.

[UltraNutZ]

To be honest, if you had it the way you wanted it your 27 might have sounded better than my 40. Mine isn't adjusted in the head unit at all. Now that I have all the speakers installed I can start to fine tune, after that I might not be able to go over 27 but still have it just as loud and more clear than my 40 was. 

This was a great thread.  I really learned a lot more about my system.  Also, what's great about this forum is the ability to chat, share and learn w/o having big brother editing posts and threatening members and more importantly, not having sponsors constantly butting in for the purpose of marketing their products.  I'm positive that the gang at Biketronics are following and reading this thread (Hi Bill..Hi Robin.  Robin thanks again for all of your help) but they're not interfering.  Bill came in and made his statement and even put a disclaimer on his website about using those tweeters with his system and then he left.  His gang is always a phone call away for questions.  I really appreciate that.

Dialogue is good.  Thanks all.    

(By the way hdrolling, I'm gonna need your help again).  I'm thinking of upgrading to the premium hinges and latches on my tourpak.  But, that's a conversation for another day.

With a customer service department and product reputation such as BT, who needs sales pitches and ads floating around everywhere.  I think it's remarkable myself to see four ads in every edition of Baggers Magazine for J&M, usually 1 for HW, I think I saw one last month for Shark Motorcycle Audio, but I never see an ad anywhere for BT.  That should tell you something.  Word of mouth is and always has been your best venue of advertising and some people simply don't get it and I'll leave it at that.

PS.  Those hinges and lock are one of the best things I've done to my bike, although I admittedly did it for cosmetic reasons, the functional aspect of it is top notch as well.

[AAWAV]

FWIW... during BT amp tests I had 1000hz sine wave signal (wav file - 0db) playing on my Pioneer deck.
this was clipping at EXACTLY 41 volume out of 62. 40 was fine.
EQ off or better said flat, no HPF or LPF set on the deck, sound enhancer set to 1.

Kry - you might already know from the dark side... use mp2gain or similar to take song volume differences out of the equation (I use 93Db setting in mp3gain).
also, wired phone will be "better" than BlueTooth - I do doubt if you will hear the difference though on the freeway.
mp3: "get" the highest quality files (aka 320kbs)

[Gannicus]

LOL. . . The dark side is getting darker all the time!  Amen to Nutz's comments. When I walk into Harley Davidson to purchase a new scoot my mind is already made up. No need for a sales pitch.  The product sells itself.  Word of mouth always has and always will be king.

[hdrolling]

I have my loud turned off, If it was on I don't think I could got to 40 un-distorted.


Glad you figured out what was causing your fuse issue Kryingame. If you need a spot to keep plugging in your phone the rear USB cable should reach under your tank all the way back just before your saddlebag. And then with your phone cable plugged in it will fit in the saddlebag if you want to keep it out of the way.

Again, I didn't realize that I had a problem. With the max volume level 27, the sound is insane. I was fine until I read your posting of going to volume level 40.  Based on your new recommendation, I'm going to turn the Loud feature off.

I keep my cell phone on a Ram mount on the right side of the handle bar and connect the phone to the HU by a 3.5mm audio jack. My phone can't connect to a USB. Heck, I'm happy.

So for the hell of it I tried setting my EQ on my Sony to "Rock", it did sound awesome in the garage. But on the road anything more than 25 and it started cracking up the speakers. Turned the EQ off and all was well again. If your volume turns up as high as mine does with the EQ off as compared to what it sounded like with the "Rock" setting I'm betting your setup sounds like a whole new system?

[Kryingame]

So for the hell of it I tried setting my EQ on my Sony to "Rock", it did sound awesome in the garage. But on the road anything more than 25 and it started cracking up the speakers. Turned the EQ off and all was well again. If your volume turns up as high as mine does with the EQ off as compared to what it sounded like with the "Rock" setting I'm betting your setup sounds like a whole new system?
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Guess it's depending on what you like.   Previously, the highest I ever put the volume was 30 and yes, it did start distorting.  27 was my sweet spot.  So even at highway speeds at 27, I'm able to hear the music fine.  But at red lights, 27 makes me that annoying guy and I'd turn the volume down. Based on your suggestions, I do like that I can now raise my volume as high as 40 w/o distortion.  I think for highway riding, I'm going to have the EQ off and volume at higher volume but around town, I'm going to have the EQ on and the volume lower.  With the EQ off, you are sacrificing some of the great sound.

[AAWAV]

keep in mind an EQ is nothing more than a "selective" volume (frequency range) increase (or decrease). this is a simplified statement right!

When I was testing the amps, flat EQ and then set to my original setting there was a "huge" volume increase...

it all depends on your HU. mine got a 5 band EQ, with several presets programmed like Vocal, Rock, powerful, blablabla but also the ability to set 2 custom settings.
keep loudness turned off, be careful with AVC as well.

[hdrolling]

keep in mind an EQ is nothing more than a "selective" volume (frequency range) increase (or decrease). this is a simplified statement right!

When I was testing the amps, flat EQ and then set to my original setting there was a "huge" volume increase...

it all depends on your HU. mine got a 5 band EQ, with several presets programmed like Vocal, Rock, powerful, blablabla but also the ability to set 2 custom settings.
keep loudness turned off, be careful with AVC as well.

That's where I'm at now, tweaking the Sony 10-band equalizer.

[AAWAV]

keep in mind an EQ is nothing more than a "selective" volume (frequency range) increase (or decrease). this is a simplified statement right!

When I was testing the amps, flat EQ and then set to my original setting there was a "huge" volume increase...

it all depends on your HU. mine got a 5 band EQ, with several presets programmed like Vocal, Rock, powerful, blablabla but also the ability to set 2 custom settings.
keep loudness turned off, be careful with AVC as well.

got a Question on AVC versus AAV and AV (my initials LOL).
AVC - automatic volume control on the bike (aftermarket only BT100x supports is)
AAV / AV: this is a synonym for adjusting volume of mp3 playing through the unit, BlueTooth, usb, aux, whatever. you can adjust volumes compared to f.e. Radio stations. this will not impact a lot... there is also an option (on my deck) to improve the sound of the mp3s. not hurting a lot either...